Next this Saturday, we catch up on the member’s area statistics over the last three rounds of fixtures with our usual post-Gameweek article.
We assess the lay of the land at Arsenal as a result of Olivier Giroud’s first-team return before analysing Tottenham’s man of the moment and Manchester United’s pair of form players.
West Ham and Everton also play a part in our thinking ahead of some fine upcoming fixtures.
Hedge your ake
5th defender for me, so I might get lucky and he makes it into the Chelsea side. Problem is the 3 players per team rule...
Lose if on wildcard.for Daniels.
Daniels stock goes down without Ake.
Benteke to start this GW or what??
Hope so. Might need an injection
Northampton boss has had to apologise for saying their performance was "men against girls"
Lot of people will think this is pc gone mad but it's 2017. Have to realise that women's footy is not better or worse it's just different
It's quite a lot worse, lets be honest.
It's not fair to compare the two, men have an unfair physical advantage
It's exactly fair to compare the two... it's the same game. The men's game is more skill full, quicker paced, more tactically ept, and downright more enjoyable.
Let's call a spade a spade, for crying out loud.
Because it's a s hit load better funded and been going a lot longer. As I said it's 2017 you can't just dis women's sport just coz it's a slower pace
So you're saying men's football is better, because it's bettter funded and has been going longer. Well, exactly!
Women's football has its merits but the skill level and pace of the game means it's far less enjoyable for me to do so. Absolutely nothing against women's football - I'd like my daughter to be a professional footballer if she wants to be.
And I hate having to qualify these comments to show I'm not sexist.
Ok . What if he used a different social group as comparison. Say for instance "men against disabled people" . Skill level, pace etc would be less there too.
Would that be socially accepable to broadcast or publicise that instead. if not , what are the comparative differences between being able to say one but not the other.
I've only chosen to comment on Rhino's last sentence about the better or worse aspect.
But the point is the correct term is men against boys. Its signifys they are playing a group who are still inexperienced and still to learn their trade. Chosing to say men against girls is tabling a whole new agenda to the term by comparing men against a social group he considers to be crap.
He didn't say anything about disabled people, cop on!
This. What the hell.
Agreed. You shouldn't have to. Having an opinion isn't wrong. I'm not sexist but I could never sit down and watch women's football. Just like I couldn't sit down and watch cricket. I got nothing against women's footy but it's not even close to the man's game imo. Just personal preference. I am a fan of watching woman in other sports like Thai boxing. Seen some brutal fights.
Flag! Sexism on the site should not be condoned.
The technical standard is worlds apart, and the fact that men are physically stronger shouldn't make it better or more exciting, it's relative. The women can still compete hard with each other, they're just not as good, it's not got anything to do with the fact they're women though, just that women's football is nowhere near mens in terms of at children's football and grass roots.
Stop being politcally correct and be honest, men's footie is A LOT better than women's footie.
You need to change your mindset
You need to get A mindset.
This is pc tosh, just because some liberal says women are equal to men doesn't make it true.
It is ok to understand and say this too, it is not sexist or misogynistic to have this view point it us scientifically correct.
The fact is women are nit equal to men in many areas and men are not equal to women in many others. There will be exceptions of course but women's football I'm afraid is not one of them. I'd say a conference team would beat the england ladies team in a match the standard if women's football is that poor.
My daughter calls them feminazi's. You know the people that think there is nothing more important than absolute equality in every aspect of life including speech. It is damaging to society imo. Equality of opportunity should always be the aim. Embracing the biological differences in ourselves and each other should also be the aim. Not pretending they don't exist.
Fully agree champ.
We are in the so called era of post truth after the trump election and this kind of pc nonsense is responsible for a lot of it. Free speech is only ok now if what you are saying is pc and agrees with leftist gospel.
I don't think anyone be it woman/man should be treated any differently when it comes to applying for anything but nobody should be denying people are different and some are just not as suitable for certain things as others.
So women shouldn't play sport then?
That's not what he said
I didn't say he did. But by implying that men are more suitable to playing footy than women is the exact reason the sport is so underfunded
It's underfunded because nobody goes to watch it. The sport is underfunded in Ireland too because nobody goes to watch it there either.
If the standard was better I'm sure loads more would attend and funding would increase.
I meant mens soccer in Ireland*
"lol"
Where did anyone say this?
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Ofc women should play sport just nit against men where physical strength is a criteria. You want absolute equality? Do you want to scrap all women's sports and make them compete with men for places on teams since we are all equal? No I didn't think so.
As I said below this guy was arectually ring very equal when using girls instead of boys as the likes of you would be in arms at him for being sexist if he had said men against boys. Where is your outrage for the demeaning comment towards boys?
Stop this pc madness and think about what you are saying/believing
Women's tennis is brilliant to watch. I think you may need to take the emotion out of this one, Rhino.
Women's tennis is the worst of all. Garbage. I actually like women's rugby because there's a lot more running than mens coz they can't kick it very far
Wow.
You should re-read this whole thread then have a look a what you just posted... just Wow!
Jokes don't work online
Radwanska-Cibulkova was one of the match of the year last year including all the men
'Leftist gospel' is a bit of a straw man argument
Not really as that is where most of the over sensitive pc sanctioned free speech comes from. Stray from this gospel and you get hammered by the media and keyboard warriors as this lad has been.
I can see why you would say that, nobody wants to be told what to say. But it's that type of demonization of 'the left' that led people to vote for Brexit and, to an extent, for Trump. To be fair I think a lot of the issue is with the left vs right dichotomy where people feel forced to choose a side. That's how the US ends up with a two party stalemate.
I think you are partially right but it is not demonisation of the left that brought about brexit but the lack of a voice for the right. If people were any way right leaning they are demonised in today's media, you never hear someone demonised for saying we need to spend more money on social housing! As soon as someone says immigration needs to be controlled they are called nazzi's.
Ps I don't consider myself right or left but I am very concerned at the barrier to free speech which has occurred with the advent of social media and the corresponding rise of extreme right wing movements.
I think Brexit proved that 'the right' do have a voice. Plenty of mainstream publications - the Daily Mail, The Sun etc.- support right-leaning views. I agree though that some people are too quick to call racism on those against immigration. At the same time there are some seriously nasty sentiments tied up with some people who are anti-immigration. The thing that gets to me is the lack of empathy on the part of some people, the inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think of the bigger picture.
I think this is the crux of the matter, the left claim the moral high ground with "empathy" and "bigger picture" which means anyone with an opposing view had no empathy and a myopic view.
Maybe you should show some empathy for those that feel threatened by immigration and look at the bigger picture for them of erosion of national identity
Ps I don't personally share these views but I do have empathy for those that have them and I respect their opinions even though I don't agree with them.
I said that some people lack empathy - meaning those on the far right. I never said anyone who wasn't a leftist lacked empathy or had a myopic view. You just projected that on to my comment. I do relate with those who are threatened by immigration. There is a bigger picture than national identity, the Uk as a nation hasn't existed that long in the grand scheme of things.
Anyway we're not going to achieve world peace on here tonight 😆 how about Ake to Chelsea eh?
We were talking left v right and the suppression of free speech due to the left claiming the moral high ground etc with "empathy" "thinking of others" etc etc which is driving people to the right imo as they feel like they are being persecuted for having non left views.
I just think the pc brigade need to tone it down and not jump on people for the slightest perceived injustice. Allow people to say what they want/believe as suppression is a dangerous thing.
Fwiw I am probably in the same camp as you when it comes to brexit and immigration but I don't want to start a brexit debate.
True, I only logged on for a quick catch up with the twitter feed before sleep and now I've lost 2hrs of my life 😛
The left is it's own worst enemy. I would be considered leftist on many issues yet I find them way more infuriating then right wingers when it comes to trying to debate and discuss anything. It's the sense of superiority, the labeling, the virtue signalling and the intolerance of non conformers. I think what makes social progressiveness appealing also makes it incompatible with critical thinking and nuance
Very well said.
Same here champ.
I would have some leftist views and some more to the right but the superiority of the left narrative especially from a moral viewpoint makes it come across as dogma or gospel. I really think it is starting to drive people to the right as centre left is almost despised by the far left now.
Exactly what I wanted to say, but as an English speaking person (I assume), you are summarizing it better 😀
Ah here. Nothing wrong with that. He didn't say "men against women", he said men against "girls" which would be a mismatch. He was messing up "men against boys" anyway, clearly. Too much over analysis of this sort of thing, I blame bloody Twitter.
But it's the implying that girls are inferior to boys that's the problem. Should he be lynched for it, no, but he should be made aware of the damage such statements make
Ah will you quit. Damage? What damage? Who implied that? I certainly didn't. You can clearly see he mixed his metaphors. And he said "girls". Do you think a team of eleven men would be a match for a team of eleven girls (not women)? You have to be trolling...
He didn't mix his metaphors he was saying that they were worse than boys they were girls.
Of course they wouldn't but that's not the point. To infer that girls are inferior to boys is plain wrong
Unbelievable Jeff. It's like talking to the wall.
I'm going to have to learn how to do the "eye roll" emoji...
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Had to check if I still knew how to do it after not using for a long while. And now here's a wink. 😉
You are just being pathetic Rhino and it's people with your attitude that causes so many problems in the world.
Bit much
Yes it's people wanting equality for women that are causing the problems round the world. Trump and Isis are the good guys, who knew
I don't think anyone posting on this thread doesn't agree with equality of opportunity for women.
The mantra that women are equal to men is just wrong though and it is this kind of pc dogma that is doing huge harm in the world. The denial of a right to opposing views is driving people to right wing parties and allowing the likes of trump to come to power.
It's time for the pc brigade to start accepting actual truth rather than what they think their form of idealised truth should be. Women are not equal to men and men are not equal to women.
You say "equality for women" as opposed to "equality" because you're under the notion that women need special treatment and can't do things for themselves. There is nothing holding women back in terms of opportunities available.
Bit over the top, we can have a civilized discussion without resorting to insults
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The point is being missed
He wasn't commenting on the relative technical merits
He was using "girls" as an insult
Of course he should apologise, and grow up
And say "men versus boys" next time
yep this.
Boys vs girls are mixed in my lads team. There are several girls whom are better than him technically. He plays in the under 8's.
Even men vs women if the level is the same will always be a mismatch. It's just genetics, biology and hormones.
The fact that men are built better for sport doesn't take anything away from womens football
The term is men against boys though. Its suggesting that they are playing a group of people who are still not fully trained up or adpted to thier role. Using any other group for comparison such a girls, women, blind, disabled is just bringing in unnecessarily offensive comment towards that group
In a lazy way it is, yes, and I agree that's wrong. In another way he's verbalising his anger that his team were so ill equipped vs the opposition. Whether it is girls, men in wheel chairs, or a team of meerkats, isn't a criticism of that group... it should be taken in the context of the sport.
I don't think so. People are just too damn sensitive.
If men vs boys is not offensive, and it's not, then men vs girls isn't offensive. The saying implies a mismatch and he made imply an even bigger mismatch. What about men vs toddlers, is that offensive? Women vs embryo's?
They'd all beat Swansea
So it's okay to use "boys" as an insult, but using any other group is "unnecessarily offensive"?
If anything he is being ultra pc and not discriminating against girls by using the term men against boys.
Why does it always have to be men against boys? What is wrong with girls, they are equal to boys?
Can't say annything these day without someone being insulted by it. Can't really imagine some professional female footballers being offended by this quote though, it's football on another level, we know it and they know it
Maybe I've worded this badly. My point is its wrong to infer that girls are inferior to boys that's all.
And that for women's footy to thrive it needs to stop being compared to mens
You shouldn't be getting your knickers in a twist over nothing love...
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Now if he said this on the other hand...
They are inferior in many instances though.. that's why there is men and womens football
I def agree on that last part, but maybe it would be better if we all stopped saying that boys (men) and girls (women) in equal in everything they do, when clearly there are things women can do better than men, and men can do better than woman. This urge/need to be so 'political correct' drives me crazy sometimes.
Spot on.
I see other people have taken this and ran with it in the thread as well, unbelievable over analysis for a relatively innocuous comment. Clearly mixed his metaphors. And if you really want to analyse it, he said men against girls which is actually a bloody mismatch any which way you look at it.
All this equality discussions aside, how are you doing in fpl these days? Thought you were doing quite well, no?
(Just re-watched Carlito's way today, what a coincidence)
Ah what a flick, love it.
Not great Jaks tough few gwks. 430k. Got Kane in for the soft fixtures and captained, didn't work. Cedric and Holebas stinking my team up too, only just got them out. Firmino and Haz not pulling weight and on last warning. Might have been too patient with some. Eriksen has been the one shining light.
How are you going?
Oh thought you were doing better mate, yea got Kane in for that Hull and Burnley fixture as well, with him as my C in both games too. I kept Holebas for the next game though but he is ill I've heard so hope he'll be fine. I'm keeping Hazard for the next 2 at least, easy swap to Coutinho afterwards. Firmino really annoyed when I owned him but would def keep until after the Swansea game.
I'm doing quite bad actually, sitting 2nd now in a ML with all casuals, went from 3k to 35k in the last 7-8 weeks. But I guess 35k is still 'decent', although I liked 3k more 😀
Good to hear, great rank 🙂
I know your intentions are impeccable mate and I couldn't agree more with sentiment as a father of two girls, one a footballer.
I think you've read something into what he said that probably isn't there.
Outrage cuts both ways. When it's justified it's a force of good but when it's unjustified it hurts the cause.
I'm not outraged I just get irritated with all the men would whoop girls at footy comments when it's really not the point
Same. There's nothing more condescending than reducing their hard work, talent discipline etc down to just sex appeal. That is sexist. Blatter saying they should where tighter shorts, that is sexist. This men vs girls isn't sexist at all.
Up the Gas!
Pogba or Lallana?
Pogbas unedlying stats are very impressive for attemtps on goal, pogba better fixtures. Lallana is like a mil cheaper though and somewat reliable or even a msut have
Prefer Walcott or Pedro to both
Pedro is tempting I forgot about him, but neither are nailed on unfrotunately. If they were then I would def be considering them both
There aren't many players nailed. Conte trusts him, he's 6.9, he has Barcelona pedigree, he scores goals, he's a great pick.
Lala has a chance, or maybe not, of playing in a front three for the most attacking team in the prem whilst Mane is off to Acon (every second fixture is good). Pogba is so good to watch though...
I'd go for Pogba but Lala has a chance of really during him up for pts...
Is there any way we could find out roughly how many teams have 3 Chelsea+Ake?
I'll start. Me.
2 + 1 here... next.
Aye
Which is better?
A) Lukaku + Ward(Burnley)
B) Giroud + Daniels
C) Carroll + Koscielny + 2.2 mil to upgrade Can (5th mid, 4th is Stanislas)
Bumble
B
Jurgen Klopp: “We have a special kid. I won’t name him. But everyone was asking about him... now, now, now.“
He's talking about Woodburn or Brewster
Deja-vu Lovren?
Woodburn
Gomez
Dunno. My lads have played against many academy players on merseyside....they're all damned good.
We have some really good kids. And it's great that we have a manager who will play them and develop them. Arnold, Ejaria, Woodburn, Brewster, Dhanda and the Polish GK.
That Rashford kid playing for us today is decent 🙂
Good Morning Lads
Any chance Ake makes the Chelsea first team?? might look to ditch Alonso if so..
Well wait till it happens then do it. Simple
might need to save FT if so... really screws up me big time for this gw
Here's hoping Benteke starts
There's a chance.
Either Chelsea think he's learned enough and will be backup on the bench, or he's impressed and will be tried at LCB or LWB.
Maybe.
Alonso has done ok proving the system works but I'm sure they could find somebody better for that system.
I think so when you think about he is a treat to a few players Alonso/Cahill/Azpi/Moses/Matic
He has proved himself at Bournemouth and i am not surprised he was recalled
I think he might start against Hull
That would be my Chelsea attacking coverage sorted
Cue Ake 5 minute substitute
In this article, Zlatan's amazing stats rise is mentioned, but no word on him playing against 10 men for 70 odd minutes. Nice that.
Ignore them at your peril
Definitely warranted an asterisk.
Didn't look like he expected that goal.
Re Ake. His development through the levels from youth to premier league has been about as good as it gets. He's a Chelsea player, either he continues developing until he is good enough for the first team or he stalls and gets sold.
It's very individually focused the way they manage these kids and the whole point is to not let them stall or regress. Some players at some point need to experience first team footy on loan. Some don't. Some will thrive on loan until they reach the peak benefit of that environment. Regardless of age now is the time to put him in the chelsea first team. He's spent a season and a half at two premier league clubs and thrived. Now at about 21? he is a first teamer at one of the world's top clubs. Not even a fringe player. He will probably be the first cover for kante/ matic because he is much more suited than fabregas. Covers every defensive position. Can play the wing back role differently to all the other wingers.
This being Chelski you gotta assume this is where it ends because they don't blood the youngsters. Maybe that will change with Conte.
Agreed
That is it really in a nut shell
Maybe....and then there's the more cynical side. As long as Chelsea buy good young talent then it means another club doesn't sign that player. Is it better to sign and loan Ake out to Bou or let a rival get him...
Chelsea do it so often it makes you wonder sometimes.
I think the motivation is more financial than anything and it definitely hurts the English game. The talent gets snapped up early then the player is off the market for the next how ever many years. Then the player reenters the market at the top level. Robbing 99% of clubs the opportunity. They really need to regulate tighter.
Great post Champ.
cheers
Looking at the fixtures, I can see him getting some starts. Who expected Moses to be established @RWB when they were 3-0 down @ARS?
Right, FT made...2m itb
Heaton
Valencia holebas smith -- mcauly Taylor
Sanchez Philips Ali pogba-- fletch
Kane Ibra benteke
A: gtg and hope teke is fit..bench has tough fixtures tho
B: teke >> Defoe/giroud (-4)..leaves funds to upgrade def thereafter
C: something else?
could also get kaku
Hi RCA,
I'll send you a link - think you may enjoy it .... a lot 😆
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You got mail 😉
Ooooooh
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That was so enjoyable
Priceless. 🙂
Which is most important to lose.
A Pedro
B De Bruyne
C Benteke
B
Oh gosh, all of them. Benteke drove me mad.
C
Now with the new manager in hope Jaku gets starts again... would be a brilliant 2nd GK
Is Jaku starting a realistic prospect? I dont really watch Hull games so no idea how good Marshal is. Looking at his recent stats he has considered 3 goals many a time, but also had 4-6 saves a few times, implying the defence is probably the weakest link not just him. I hope he starts again cause he is my sub keeper and I can make some monies 😀
Havent seen much from hull but their keeper was poor against Everton. That OG was so bad
Rejigged WC side:
Heaton/Robinson
Baines/Cahill/Rose/Friend/Amat (permabenched)
Sanchez/Alli/Phillips/Snodgrass/Stanislas
Costa/Ibra/Giroud
Price Changes - 8th January 2017
🔽 Besic, Milner, Kapustka
what are the odds on no Phillips rise until the start of next gameweek
I cant remember the last time there was no risers
In your bedroom last night
sorry
Never back out of a joke after you've said it!
You saying sorry made your first comment so much funnier 😆
loool
*activates WC to get these guys at their bargain prices. Buy low, sell high!
The last one is a Kate bush song as far as I know
Do you guys think Alonso + Origi to A.Smith + Giroud is a good option?
Smith should be nailed with Ake going back to Chelsea and Francis banned, but will their defence suffer a lot from these missing players that there are better options around for 4.8 or less?
With Cahill, Luiz, Zouma and Terry around, Ake wouldn't be getting much game time if he returns to Chelsea, right?
omg Lallana plays fantasy football 🙂
https://www.premierleague.com/news/277048 skip to 4:28 for the lallana bit
Lallana has Firmino in his side 😀
Footballer plays fantasy football isn't worthy of an omg
Estimating (with a peak at FPL Discovery)...
4.3 million teams * 50% active * 25% of active teams already have three Chelsea * 15% of active teams with Ake * 93% not on WC =
75k active teams with four Chelsea players soon
Reposting my wc draft to a new audience. 0.1m itb. Thoughts please?
Heaton mannone
Cahill Daniels brunt chambers amat
sanchez alli lallana phillips de roon
kane costa defoe
Fine although man city just won 5 zip. You should have an Aguero plan or at least a sterling one
Getting killed in my ML man, so looking for diferentials. Hence no kun but sterling could be a good shout. Bit of a rotation risk tho?
Silva might be gold
Or iron pyrite
Game time a concern again. Not worth 8.7m if he doesn't get a full game consistently.
Kun IS a differential
He was for one gw till everyone in my ML got him
Theres only 2 of us in ML who have Kun, but I suspect come enxt GW most people will and some wild cards played
Ibra over Kane for me.
That clip had no girls in it. Sexist
Will Ake be anything more than bench fodder when he's back at Chelsea?
Did you expect Moses to be RWB?
Personally, I don't think Conte's stupid. He's seen what Ake can actually do given the chance and I'm sure he's got a plan for him - and it doesn't involve warming his arse on the bench every week.
My defence:
- Bellerin - Injured in training
- Alonso - Apparently rotation risk now
- Brunt - Apparently injured
- Ake - Being recalled (bench probs)
- Amat - ...Amat
Alonso ain't a risk until he doesn't start
Brunt will be fine
No idea bout Bellerin
Ake you can bench
Hope so. Unfortunately I have 3 Chelsea players already. Ake may have to go despite getting him in last week. As a Chelsea fan it's great for the team to have him as backup, although I'd rather see him get more playing time.
Fingers crossed about the rest, anywho.
I will see your alonso and ake for Francis and lovren
Lol @ IBRA, ALI owners
Aka bandwagon chasers
???
If you dont have Ibra or Alli your probably going to be
????? Whats wrong with owning ibra lol
Was kinda getting on the "let's dump Chelsea players" wagon. But then I realized they had a pretty sucky Leicester without Mahrez and Slimani now and then Hull. Two games too soon me thinks.
I'm staying on the triple up until after hull
I could be right there by you on that one. If any goes, it will be Alonso, but even that seems kinda stupid.
Sunderland 0-1 Chelsea. Leicester way better defence at home
Just rise Phillips!
When does Sergio's contract elapse?
It's OK, I just looked it up. He's going to remain in Manchester for the next 3.5 years.
Right.
West ham just offered 6m for him
🙂 wouldnt surpirse me
I have drank to much
I make a lot of toasts too
To toasting!
What did I miss this last week? Ake back on Chelsea? Anything else?
7 years, 3 months agoI think the Ake situation is; if you have him, hold, if not, don't get him in.