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Hall of Fame Analysis – Part Two

After examining the strategies deployed by those in the top ten of our latest Hall of Fame refresh, the second part of our analysis looks deeper into their player selection and their “template” squad.

For those unfamiliar with the Hall of Fame, this is a ranking system applied to everyone who takes part in our Fantasy Premier League mini-leagues – both the free and members league. Managers’ performances are then traced to give a Hall of Fame rating.

The Live version is updated after each Gameweek and can be viewed by Members via this link.

The career version, which shows the standings at the end of each season, is free to view here or via the HoF tab in the main menu. For more information about how those at the top of the career HoF are doing, we urge you to read TopMarx’s latest community article.

If you would like to know more about the Hall of Fame we have included a quick guide in this article. Alternatively, you can view this movie to listen to Mark and Rate My Team’s Chris Atkinson talk you through it.

Let’s now take a look at the current top ten live HoF managers’ players and the template that emerges from this “elite” group.

Goalkeepers

Given that our analysis of the top ten’s strategies showed an eagerness to exploit double Gameweeks, it seems likely that their future moves will be governed by these changes in the fixture schedule. This certainly looks the case for their next goalkeeper transfers.

Sunderland’s Jordan Pickford (4.1) and Tom Heaton (5.1) are the most popular picks, sitting in seven and six sides respectively. This pair are also the most popular combination, with four elite managers opting for both.

Cost is a key factor in their selection, with the Burnley man starting at just 4.5 and the Black Cats young keeper available for 4.0 for early adopters.

The ability to make saves is also part of the appeal – Heaton’s haul of 111 is top amongst stoppers, while Pickford has accrued an impressive 87 from his 19 starts – his average of 19.8 minutes per stop is quicker than any regular.

Heaton’s outstanding value for money is further highlighted by the fact that he has produced 21 bonus points – at least three times all but one other keeper.

FPL’s second most popular keeper Hull’s Eldin Jakupovic (4.1), West Brom’s Ben Foster (4.7) and Stoke’s Lee Grant (4.4) are all in two sides and are the only other custodians trusted by our top ten.

But with Crystal Palace’s Wayne Hennessey (4.3), Middlesbrough’s Victor Valdes (4.6) and Manchester United’s David De Gea (5.4) all enjoying two fixtures in Gameweek 34, it seems certain that should a Wildcard be deployed soon, then one of this trio will find suitors.

Of these, the Red Devils keeper looks an outside bet only, given this elite group’s desire to find value between the sticks.

Another option the top ten are likely to consider is Southampton’s Fraser Forster (5.0), who, along with United and Arsenal, is set to enjoy 11 fixtures over the final nine Gameweeks.

Defenders

Change is also likely across their backlines, which look ill-prepared for the impending double Gameweeks – not one of this elite group owns a defender from Arsenal or Southampton.

Possible Saints targets could include Ryan Bertrand (5.4), who has accrued four assists in his last five starts, while Laurent Koscielny (6.2) looks another potential recruit among the Arsenal ranks, given that he has earned bonus points on eight occasions.

Only two currently own Manchester United’s raiding right back Antonio Valencia (5.8) ahead of his double Gameweek 34. The smart money will be on the Ecuadorian sitting in most of this group’s teams by then after delivering attacking or clean sheet returns in all but one of his last eight starts.

Among ‘Boro assets, Calum Chambers and George Friend (both 4.3), who are both injured, sit in just one team each. It seems possibe that they will remain, in the hope they are fit for their double Gameweek 34, which looks favourable for the Teessiders when they visit Bournemouth and host Sunderland.

But which of their current crop of defenders will they jettison?

Sadly, Everton’s Seamus Coleman (6.1), who sits in seven teams, is set to make way after suffering a leg break on international duty for Ireland on Friday.

Following this development, the four managers with Leighton Baines (5.7) may well retain him as Everton defensive cover. The same can be said for the two managers that have Ashley Williams (5.2).

West Brom defenders certainly also look surplus to requirements, given a poor upcoming schedule that includes a trip to Manchester United and a visit from Liverpool in their next four.

All of this group own a Baggies rearguard representative. However, with six goals so far, the five that currently hold Gareth McAuley (5.2) may choose to retain The same is unlikely to be said for the four Chris Brunt (5.1) owners and one manager that has Allan Nyom (4.4) on board. Neither of the latter pair has handed their owners returns since a clean sheet against Stoke in Gameweek 24.

Among the fourth and fifth defender options, Watford’s Jose Holebas (4.6) is the most popular, with three inclusions. Two have Hull City assets, in the form of Andrew Robertson (4.4) and Harry Maguire (4.4) with one endorsement each, and Swansea City’s backline is represented twice, with Alfie Mawson (4.6) and Jordi Amat (3.9) backed by one manager apiece.

Mawson’s goal threat, having scored four already, allied with trips to West Ham and Watford and home clashes with Middlesbrough and Stoke in the next five, may ensure he stays put for now.

Erik Pieters (4.7) is another that could make way, but has proved a reliable source of points for his three owners recently, with a trio of clean sheets in his last five starts.

Marcos Alonso (6.8), who sits in nine teams, is the most popular defender. Given a price hike from a low of 5.9, his removal may be a risk too far for this group.

Also, Chelsea are likely to enjoy a double Gameweek later in the season, so taking him out now could prove costly should they want to bring him back at that point.

Midfielders

The HoF top ten are just as comfortable fielding a 3-4-3 formation as they are with a 3-5-2 set-up. Their midfield selections reflects that flexibility, with all but three of this group giving themselves five strong options in the centre of the park.

Of the trio that favour a four-man midfield, two sides have opted for West Brom’s Darren Fletcher (4.5) as a makeweight, while another has the Scotsman’s injured team-mate Matt Phillips (5.5).

The rest have in the main invested in Spurs and Liverpool assets, supplemented with Gylfi Sigurdsson (7.8) and Josh King (5.8).

The Swansea set-piece specialist is backed by all but one of this group and the Bournemouth midfielder, who is being fielded as a forward, is in seven sides.

Another popular player is Liverpool’s Sadio Mane (9.7), chosen by nine of the group. The winger is clearly seen as the best route to points from the Reds’ favourable fixture run, that continues to the end of the season and includes home ties against Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Southampton and Middlesbrough.

Two of those backing the Senegal international have also doubled up with Philippe Coutinho (8.2), although it remains to be seen whether the Brazilian, who has scored just once since returning from injury in Gameweek 21, will survive long-term.

Christian Eriksen (8.7)’s creativity and assured delivery is this group of managers’ Spurs weapon of choice.

The Dane, who has assisted 13 times, is found in seven squads, with his team-mate, Dele Alli (8.9), in just three. It remains to be seen whether the England midfielder’s penalty duties in the absence of Harry Kane will persuade more to double up or shift allegiance.

Of Alli’s three owners, two have already paired him with Eriksen, showing that this elite group are happy to invest heavily in players in the same position from an attack-minded side.

A favourable fixture run that includes trips to Burnley, Crystal Palace, and Swansea, as well as home ties with Watford and Bournemouth in their next five, add to the possibility of further Spurs investment. Mauricio Pochettino’s side are set to play ten fixtures over the final nine rounds of fixtures

Other midfielders to feature include Everton’s Ross Barkley (7.1), who is owned by two managers and Pedro (7.2) of Chelsea, who sits in just one side.

Although their midfields are looking powerful for the next few Gameweeks, sacrifices seem on the cards in Gameweek 31 when Alexis Sanchez (11.6) begins a strong run of fixtures that sees him play 11 times in the final nine Gameweeks.

Only four of our ten currently own the Arsenal man but, given our first analysis’ revelation that he has been their most popular captaincy option, it seems likely that more will follow once the tricky home clash with Manchester City in Gameweek 30 is out of the way.

Forwards

Romelu Lukaku (10.5) is owned by all of our top ten, with the Everton marksman receiving the armband frequently over the last month to contribute to some impressive recent Gameweek scores.

With his red-hot form ahead of home clashes Leicester and Burnley in the next four, the Belgian looks untouchable.

But with back-to-back trips to Liverpool and Manchester United as the Toffees’ next two fixtures, it is possible some of this group may look to temporarily remove him.

Diego Costa (10.7) has emerged as the most popular premium striker to join Lukaku, with the Spaniard now in five sides. With Crystal Palace visiting Stamford Bridge next weekend the Blues talisman looks set to be a popular Gameweek 30 captaincy pick among this group – providing, of course, he shrugs off a minor ankle problem.

Four own Sergio Aguero, but with trips to Arsenal and Chelsea coming up, they may consider exit plans. His 12.7 price tag could come in particularly handy for those looking to draft in Sanchez.

Among likely replacements are Costa or Jamie Vardy (9.8), who has scored three goals and two assists in three prior to consecutive home clashes with Stoke and Sunderland.

West Ham’s Andy Carroll (6.3) and Swansea’s Fernando Llorente (6.5), who are both in three teams, are the most popular third striker options. But as the pair were drafted in with the reduced Gameweek 28 fixtures in mind, they already seem dispensable.

Given the strength of this group’s midfield, those with one of these strikers may consider benching them while they await news of the fitness of Southampton’s Manolo Gabbiadini, who is struggling with a groin injury. The former Napoli man’s four league goals since joining in January will make him an obvious third striker target, particularly with 11 matches still to play in the final nine Gameweeks.

Two sides look to have deliberately chosen a 3-5-2 route with their forward selection, with one sticking with the injured Victor Anichebe (4.3) while the other has Burnley’s cut-price forward Ashley Barnes (4.5).

The Live Hall of Fame Top Ten Template

Pickford Heaton

Alonso Coleman Baines McAuley Brunt

Mane Sigurdsson King Eriksen Sanchez

Costa Lukaku Carroll

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1,672 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Jayv807
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Hello All,

    Wanting to save FT. However, I am concerned about players possibly being rested after international break to go along with the injured players I am currently carrying in my squad. So at the moment, my bench is a bit light if it turns out I need it.

    1 FT 0.0 ITB

    Pickford (Caballero)
    Alonso, Valencia, Vertonghen (Coleman, Yoshi)
    Sanchez, Mane, Alli, Siggy, King
    Costa, Lukaku (Gabbi)

    Thoughts on if I should risk it and save FT or possibly ship Coleman (maybe to Gibson?)

    any advice is greatly appreciated.

    1. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Coleman -> Gibson looks good for your team set up long term.
      He will have to be dealt with eventually

      1. Jayv807
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks mate, ya I know, really wish Chambers was fit as I would only really use a Mid defender for the DGW punt and would be fine with the cheapest secure option. I know 0.6m isn't that much, but at least for me, I am forever 0.1m or 0.2m short on some moves I would love to make, so every little bit could help.

        1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Exactly what I was thinking... maybe Fabio ???

          1. Jayv807
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            just worried he would not start if both Friend and Chambers are fit. Don't know much about MID defensive pecking order to be honest, but noticed he wasn't starting at the beginning of the year.

            1. Slam
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              That's the thing. I am counting on that Boro defender to come in for a couple GWs and if they are benched for that, whats the point?

              Hence, I've spent the extra for Gibson. I really can't find anyone that is even 80% to start all the matches

              1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Valid point... it would be a gamble anticipating the need for cash. Potatoace posted an article that suggested that Fabio is doing so well he might be nailed now. But not as certain as Gibbers

                1. Jayv807
                  • 7 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  thanks for the replies guys, will likely go with Gibson, unless chambers miraculously recovers.

  2. La Roja
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this please;

    Jaku
    Alonso Olsson* McAuley
    King Mane Eriksen Siggy
    Aguero Costa Lukaku

    Grant FMori Amat* Hojbjerg*

    2.4m ITB and 1 FT

    A) Olsson ➡ Valencia
    B) Olsson ➡ Bertrand
    C) King ➡ Pedro
    D) Olsson ➡ Walker
    E) King Olsson ➡ Rojo Pedro -4

    1. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      D)

    2. Jayv807
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      D looks best to me

    3. Geoff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia or Walker I think

    4. tm245
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      C is a killer move, imo.

      1. Geoff
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Defence just looks too weak, needs fixing

        1. La Roja
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          This

        2. tm245
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Can't argue with that, so E?

          1. Slam
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Can you trust that Mou will play Rojo though?

          2. Geoff
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            I wouldn't be against that, provided you know the chances they play. I haven't looked at Rojo or Pedro's minutes but if they should play most of most games it could work

    5. Snevitz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Aguero to Defoe, Olsson to Walker, Amat to Bertrand.
      Does this leave enough for Siggy to Sanchez next week??
      If not, the same thing but Aguero to Llorente,

      I would not get rid of King

      1. La Roja
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I'm not sure about losing Aguero vs Arsenal who is shocking at the back.

    6. Balance
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      You may want to leave enough cash to bring in Sanchez and Ibra later for gw 31

      Sanchez for mane
      Ibra for aguero

      An upgrade of Olson to Walker/Valencia looks best?

  3. tm245
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Damn, Valencia is getting up there. Hate to make a move before he plays but the money is tight.

    1. Geoff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      And Bertrand too. We might be forced to do this soon

      1. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Already own Yoshida otherwise Bertrand would be tempting. Exact cash for Valencia here.

        1. Geoff
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Ah. Have you thought about Vert?

          1. tm245
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Aye. That will be for Baines in a week or two.

            1. Geoff
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Will you be playing Baines the next two? I don't really see any points and am considering a hit

              1. tm245
                • 12 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Same here, will ship him for cash if I need but otherwise it's the bench for me.

    2. CloudSky
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Dont think hes going to go up tonight.

      1. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, but if he gets hurt and I have to take a hit, that won't be as bad as if he rises and I have to take one.

        1. CloudSky
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Id atleast wait till tomorrow.

    3. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Just curious, what is your SV TM245?

      1. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Overall? Pretty decent, 105.5 or so.

        Coleman? 5.8 on the nose.

        1. Slam
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Overall, and WOW!
          That is pretty decent, you could make a smashing WC team when the time comes.

          Am on WC right now and think 103.5 is plenty

          1. tm245
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            No wild card left, but I should be okay. I can field 12-13 strong players every week so I will happily bench King as my eight attacker these next few weeks so I can swap him for Zaha, for example.

            1. Slam
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Nice, good luck to you then. Zaha will be my 8th attacker for GW33-35 or so.

  4. Schwarzer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Is Valencia still a good replacement option with Jones and Smalling out? The fixtures in April are heavily congested too, yet he seems to be the prime defender of the week.

    1. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Even if he misses one game, he represents terrific value from now till the end of the season, I wouldn't sweat it

      1. Schwarzer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Fair point. With all the pros I'm just trying to consider the cons.

  5. tm245
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    The ship has sailed. Welcome back Tony V, it's been a few years.

  6. Slam
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Ok, Drama (Movie) Released sometime in the last 20 years 😀 (What a hint, I know)
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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      There Will Be Blood

      1. Slam
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        That's brilliant

  7. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone considering a deeney punt for the next couple of gws?

    1. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Considered it, but quickly went off it. I think from now till the end I want my 3 forward spots from teams with something to play for. Defoe looks good in that price range

      1. noquarternt
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        This is good advice.

  8. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    No TM tonight
    Who is going lighting a fire?

    1. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Oops spoke too soon

    2. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I'll cover you

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      You should go on the Scoutcast with your rank. The previous guests were top 50s or higher.

      1. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I am too shy
        I might go on it if i ever managed to win the members league for the mother of all brags

        I would like to nominate Ruth though

        1. Slam
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          or.....

          1. Ógie
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            After FPLVirgin of course

            It would be nice if the peoples champion TM made a appearance also

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Need to beat Mark so won't be happening soon.

              1. Ógie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                I think you will win it only 18 points i believe just need to be brave
                You started looking over your shoulder too early

                1. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  One player has changed everything really. 9 GWs left so anything is possible.

        2. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I think FPLVirgin is pencilled in first

          1. Slam
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            It seems I'm not very good at this hangman stuff

            1. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              WHy not do one and select an FFS username to guess?

        3. tm245
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Oh my god, just checked your link -- you are in with a chance, man. Go for it, would be great to see a regular reach the summit.

        4. Geoff
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          What's your goal for overall rank?

          1. tm245
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            And you, too! Here I am at 65k sandwiched between two guys in the 60s. Go on, Pukka.

            1. Lawrø
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              What I find more impressive than Pukka's rank is his twelve green arrows in a row!

              That's by far the most I've ever seen

              1. Geoff
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Hah it ends this week 🙁

          2. Ógie
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            2 places ahead of yours

            1. Geoff
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              You look well placed for a jump on me this week

              1. Ógie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Kinky Pukka but you are not my type

                1. Slam
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  😆 😆
                  How can you refuse a cup of coffee?

                  1. Diva
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    Coffe or tea?

                    1. Diva
                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      *Coffee

                2. Geoff
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  I'm not suggesting what my rank implies 😉

  9. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Price Changes - 28th March 2017

    🔼 B.Davies

    1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      And he will go back down when Rose is back

    2. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Is that his first or second rise?

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        1st

  10. Slam
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Alright FFS User Name
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    Good luck

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      T

      1. Slam
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Negative

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          L

          1. Slam
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            _ _ _ _
            _ _ L L _ _ _
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            1. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              R

              1. Slam
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                _ _ _ _
                _ _ L L _ _ _
                _ _ _ _ R _ _ _ _

                1. Cheeseoid
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  M

                  1. Slam
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    Nope

                2. Diva
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  B

                  1. Slam
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    Nope, hey Diva 🙂

                    1. Diva
                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Hello. From this I deduce the middle word isn't Ballack then.

                3. Diva
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  A

                  1. Slam
                    • 8 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    _ _ _ _
                    _ _ L L A _ _
                    _ A _ A R _ _ _ _

                    Bond Collins whoever was incorrect

                    1. Diva
                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Eden Helland Hazardous

                      1. Slam
                        • 8 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        I'll stick to spamming on old articles.
                        Bravo Diva

                      2. Lawrø
                        • 12 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        *flips table*

                    2. Cheeseoid
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Greg Wallace

                      1. Diva
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        Greg Wallace what?

                      2. Cheeseoid
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        Greg Wallace Lazarbolt

                    3. Lawrø
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Eden
                      Helland
                      Hazardous

                      😎

                      1. Slam
                        • 8 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        I heard dogs type at really fast speeds nowadays

                      2. Diva
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        Voice command. 🙂

  11. Wally banter
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Valencia or Bertrand for coleman???
    its been 4-5 days, have been thinking about it and never reached a conclusion

    1. liiusions
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia

    2. Foot Fighter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Bertrand (I was faced with same decision and MANU rest/rotation has scared me off of Valencia)

    3. Diva
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia if you feel like wearing slippers, Bertrand if you want to wear a new pair of loafers.

    4. Schwarzer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia

    5. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia or Walker is the first debate often. I would go with Walker there. If too much, Vertoghen or Davies covers Spurs... the best Clean Sheet team.
      Valencia over Berty IMO after that.

      1. Schwarzer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        +1

    6. Wally banter
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Tanks people, :/
      going with the dullard move valencia in..

  12. Schwarzer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Would you AOA with this lot?

    Siggy Sanchez Mane King Lanzini
    Llorente Lukaku Costa
    vs
    Alonso Daniels (sou) Brunt (mun) Coleman Jones

    Cheers

    1. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      looks like a good chance to burn it

    2. Diva
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Assuming that is P. Jones, I would be tempted if he unavailable this week.

    3. white heart pain
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      save for DGW

      1. Schwarzer
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        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        BB and TC all the way.

        Thanks guys.

  13. TorresMagic™
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    Score Predictions

    Burnley vs Spurs
    Pool vs Everton

    1. Schwarzer
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      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      0-1
      2-2

    2. Slam
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      1-3
      2-0

    3. Foot Fighter
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      TM - what are your thoughts on Spurs double-up on Defense? Already have Walker but am considering Davies too. One look at their fixtures ticker and it looks quite good (and I can see Spurs pitching a shutout at Burnley).

      1. TorresMagic™
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        Really depends on Rose. I don't have any but it's a popular move for Coleman.

        1. Foot Fighter
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          Agreed, but I'm not finding any updates on Rose and therefore expect that he will not be a factor for at least several more weeks (if at all)

          1. TorresMagic™
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            Sounds decent then. Plenty are waiting for Rose.

    4. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      0-2
      3-2

    5. Ógie
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      0-1
      1-1

    6. Chilavert
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      0-1
      3-2

  14. The Big Fella
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Would anybody keep Baines for the Liverpool Derby instead of bringing in either Walker or Valencia for a -4? I am secretly hoping there are a couple of pens given as they're both challenging for a top 4 place in which case I'll be right in the money (points).....

    1. Diva
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      He's not worth replacing for a hit.

    2. Ógie
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      His fixtures get a lot better after they play Man U though and now with Coleman out of the picture he is probably the best Everton defender to own

      Keeping him does not necessarily mean you are going to have play him
      I would not be suprised if Everton won a pen in the Liverpool game they will have their hands full with Lukaku

      1. The Big Fella
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Makes no sense to keep him and not playing for his price and when there are alternatives (Walker and Valencia) that have nicer fixtures and DGWs though. I think Liverpool at home, derby, possible maybe rival for top 4........... they might do better than we think. I think I may stick with him for this week though as I hate taking -4s after 1st Jan (business end of the season).

        1. Ógie
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          7 years, 1 month ago

          It depends if you have someone suitable on the bench to turn to i suppose
          Baines is certainly not undropable he has not been scoring great and there is other options tbf

  15. thisisdiz
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Stones, Bertrand, Fuchs, Huth

  16. white heart pain
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Trade or hold?

    Pickford
    Alonso Fuchs Davies
    Sanchez Alli Eriksen Siggy King
    Kun Lukaku

    Grant Holabas Britos Barnes

    Cap Lukaku, Alli or Siggy?

    1. white heart pain
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Leaning towards Alli with his and Spurs from

    2. Albrightondknight
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      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I like the idea of a Spurs double up in attack.
      However are you going to want Kane too on his return. If we knew when he was back it would make things easier.

  17. Hall of points
    TorresMagic™
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    Thinking of a better way to measure Career HoF.

    Points scored over the past 5 or more seasons. You add 2000 per season you didn't play or scored under 2000 in.

    2,112
    2,287
    2,199
    2,226
    2,122
    2,463
    2,273
    2,232
    1723

    1. tm245
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Don't quite follow. Why 2000 as the fill in?

      1. TorresMagic™
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        2000 points is a pretty standard score for a season.
        My lowest score of 2112 is a 1712 rank.

        1. tm245
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Would be interesting to see how to do it with OR each season. When I became a serious FFS visitor in 12-13, the regulars all talked about top 1k as the goal, with top 10k as fairly mediocre.

          Four seasons on, top 10k seems to be respected a bit more. Not sure if it is the increase in overall players from 2.5M to almost 4M, or if the competition in the top 10k has gotten that much harder.

          1. TorresMagic™
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            Points beat rank in a rating. If you had a shocker in the Suarez season, there's a bigger difference in rank. Hopefully I'll get a personal best this season so can't complain about the entries.

            1. tm245
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              See below. Not sure that I agree with this. I would argue that it might have been easier to get big points in the Suarez season when he was basically an auto captain.

              1. TorresMagic™
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                Maybe you can scale it up for the Suarez season and 07/08.

    2. TorresMagic™
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      Ville Ronka gets 20111 + 2 years of 2000 so 24111

      1. TorresMagic™
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        23637 for me 🙂

        1. TorresMagic™
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          Mark 24030

      2. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        So total points over 10 years?

        1. TorresMagic™
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          HoF starts in 06/07

    3. Cheeseoid
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I can't help but think I might care about HOF if I had a good or near good one

      1. TorresMagic™
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        Sky HoF next.

        1. Cheeseoid
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          7 years, 1 month ago

          My 1 year history might count against me

    4. Lawrø
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Don't like it... some seasons are just inherently higher scoring than previous seasons. 2000 is also completely arbitrary... could be decent one season and crap in another. I'd prefer a system that excludes your worst couple of seasons and then takes an average of your position/#players for each season... or something like that, I haven't quite thought it through 🙂

      1. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Agree with Lawro.

        I posted this in the HT from yesterday:
        "Am late to the conversation but a true Hall of Fame wouldn't negatively punish someone for one offseason among several amazing ones. I would argue the ability to adapt to changes in the competition or a bad performance personally might be a clearer sign of greatness than one who can ride a wave for the past few years.

        Maybe a minimum of five or six years and then selecting the overall best among them would be a more accurate way to measure long term greatness."

        When my eyes go across the image atop this article, I am struck by the excellence of the ranks that are two or three digits. Really incredible performances, which points in any given year can't really measure in the same way.

      2. TorresMagic™
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        You get punished more if you fail in the higher scoring seasons, seems fair. 2000 in 06/07 was a great score, not so much in 07/08 when looking at Marks ranks

        2006/07 2,041 2,217
        2007/08 2,252 2,392

        1. Lawrø
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I don't think score should matter, it is all about finishing position in my opinion. #1 in 15/16 should have exactly the same weighting as #1 in 16/17

          1. Lawrø
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Well not exactly actually, as there's more players in 16/17 it's actually more impressive regardless of score to me

          2. Get up ya bum
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            This

          3. TorresMagic™
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            Maybe 90% of winning score can be the base score for that season.

          4. TorresMagic™
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            Guess Diva's idea covers this.

      3. Lawrø
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        The best way to see if the model is good is to test it! So take https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/entry/2864/history for example... currently #18 in the HoF... as he hasn't been playing for too long he'd be underrated in your system at 21646... about 3000pts behind you! 😆

        Your model severely benefits people who have played along time, I'm sure there would be plenty of cases of distinctly average players beating amazing short term players

        1. TorresMagic™
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          He would get 23228 as 5 missing seasons + this season.

          1. Lawrø
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Didn't realise you were including the latest season and he is having a bit of a stinker so far I suppose... still two top 100 finishes and a top 1k finish! 😀 Now I need to find someone who outscores him who is clearly worse

            1. Lawrø
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              First team I clicked on: https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/entry/64660/history

              Outscores him with 23483 and is clearly worse

              1. TorresMagic™
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                2000 is a low figure in most seasons. In 06/07 it's too high. Make it 1900 in that season.

                1. tm245
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Seasons vary pretty significantly. Here are my three decent ones:

                  2009/10 2,304 17,757
                  2012/13 2,249 4,610
                  2014/15 2,163 19,039

                  555 points more in 09/10, but 13k places lower than in 12/13.

                  1. TorresMagic™
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                    55 right? Seasons do vary for sure. My lowest scores are

                    2008/09 2,112 1,712
                    2012/13 2,122 47,918
                    2010/11 2,199 848

                    1. tm245
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Yes, typo with one extra 5! Incredible difference in rankings for just ten actual FPL points there.

                      1. TorresMagic™
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                        Yep, my worst season and my 3rd best one. Seems the Suarez one was my 2nd best rank wise.

                2. Lawrø
                  • 12 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Even so he still beats him 😉

                  That's #420 beating #18 in the current HoF... I like the way you're refining the model but it needs to be more drastic. It shouldn't benefit those that have played FPL since 06/07 that much in my opinion. As it's only the excess over 2000 that matters (most years) every extra season actually makes a huge difference. Say average of 200pts excess for arguments sake. That means for each extra season that amounts to the current difference between 5k and 500k! It should be that much of an advantage

                  1. TorresMagic™
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                    2000 was just a base figure but that should be adjusted each season to say whatever 100K was or whatever. 100K seems a rank you would get in a shocking season. Mark got nearly 200K in his so maybe 200K then.

                    1. tm245
                      • 12 Years
                      7 years, 1 month ago

                      Interesting threshold. That base is what I was trying to get at below.

    5. Ógie
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I would just like to see more filters in the HoF
      Like picking best/active years and more detailed stats about a manager in a given year like transfers made hits taken players used etc. etc.

      If managers picked there 3 worst years you could have a Hall of Shame i would have a chance of been the Villa Ronka of it 🙂

    6. Albrightondknight
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      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I'd probably my just get 20,000 so 🙂

      1. Albrightondknight
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        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Seriously I would have to get bumped up to 2000 for 4 of 10 years 🙁
        There are 3 * 1,700's in there - ouch. Obviously this is a brilliant idea TM

        1. TorresMagic™
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          😉

          1. Albrightondknight
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            I agree with comments above that 2,000 is a bit arbitrary. Best 5 years or something similar sounds good to me.

    7. tm245
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Another way to do it would be to award value based on OR for each season, changing it for how many players there were in the overall game.

      Baseline for 2million players overall
      1st OR = 100 HOF pts
      2-10 = 90 pts
      11-99 = 80
      100-999 = 70
      1000-1999 = 60
      2000-2999 = 50
      3000-4999 = 40
      5000-9999 = 30
      10000-19999 = 20
      20000-99999 = 10

      Then multiply it by how many more players there are playing overall (so double it for a year in which there are 4M players overall).

      Haven't done the math in this, no idea if it works.

      1. TorresMagic™
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        I guess this is how HoF rating works in a way.

        (Your score / winning score) x 100 = HoF rating for the season etc.

        1. tm245
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          It isn't based on ranks? Aren't those the numbers listed for each year in the actual table?

          1. TorresMagic™
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            It's based on points. Having points in the table wouldn't have the same effect as seeing ranks.

            1. Lawrø
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              I can't wrap my head around that one... When we want to know how well someone is doing in FPL we ask them for their rank (which is implicitly a function of points anyway) instead of their total score for the season! 🙂

              I may have a stab at this some other time and completely ignore this score nonsense. Regardless I have to get some sleep - could debate this stuff forever but night chaps!

              1. TorresMagic™
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                Night Lawro 🙂

              2. tm245
                • 12 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Hopefully SmartyPants can rescue us.

    8. Diva
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Does anyone have a list of scores from previous seasons? averages, active player averages, the FPL winner's score etc.

      1. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        FPL Discovery archives might be a good place to start.

        1. Diva
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Probably good for the last few years at least, but we need something stretching back to 06-07 at least.

        1. tm245
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Yours is better.

        2. TorresMagic™
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          15/16 was 2458 and 14/15 was 2470

          1. TorresMagic™
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            Mark got 2013/14 2,238 192,837 when winning score was 2634 so roughly 85%.

        3. Diva
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Great links TM and, er, TM. So we now know what the top player scored in each season. That gives us a measure of how many points were required to be the best each season. So could a hall of fame work on the basis of the following formula:

          Minimum 5 seasons, then:
          (Player's score season a/winner's score season a)+(player score season b/winner's score season b)+(player's score season c/winner's score season c)+(player's score season d/winner's score season d)+(player's score season e/winner's score season e)/5

          I'm open to suggestions about whether it would be the best five seasons available to each player, or if you continue expanding the formula for every subsequent season (e.g. If you have 7 seasons, doing the calculation for seasons a through g, then dividing by 7).

          1. TorresMagic™
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            That could work. Would be a better measure of a "career" as it contains "longevity".

            1. Diva
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Thanks. Just tried it with my own 5 best scores and it gives me a rough score of 90%. By way of comparison, Ville Rönkä is well ahead of me with a rough score of 93.4% (both percentages subject to rounding errors).

              1. TorresMagic™
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                Mark gets 94.07, I get 92.74 and VR gets 94.33 using the best values which might not be the 5 best ranks.

                1. Diva
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  That seems pretty fair to me. It'd be interesting to see how Tom, Simon, Matt or one of the other previous winners fares under this system.

                  1. TorresMagic™
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                    Getting 100 in a season is a big score so they could easily beat VR.
                    Matt gets 94.18 and includes an 18K rank vs a 5K rank value wise.

                    1. TorresMagic™
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                      Jay at 93.23

                    2. Diva
                      • 9 Years
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                      I think that's kind of fitting in a way though, because we tend to put winners and consistently very good players into Halls of Fame. Matt is a winner and clearly a good player, not just someone who got lucky one year.

                      1. TorresMagic™
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                        Using best 5 values over best 5 ranks

                        VR 94.33
                        Matt 94.18
                        Mark 94.07
                        Jay 93.23
                        TM 92.74

                      2. Diva
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        Does best values = highest points scoring years or highest percentage of winner's score? On reflection, it should be the latter I think.

                      3. TorresMagic™
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                        Best value = score/ws

                      4. TorresMagic™
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                        Evs gets 94.23

                      5. Diva
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        That's a great score.

                      6. TorresMagic™
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                        TL gets 94.26

                  2. Diva
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    Just tried it with SpiderMatt's 5 best seasons. Interestingly, by my rough calculations (which are subject to rounding errors) he beats Ville Rönkä with a score of 94.2%, which seems kind of fitting given he won it one year.

                    1. TorresMagic™
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                      I used this for VR

                      2,225 2,372 0.9380
                      2,243 2,414 0.9292
                      2,248 2,472
                      2,534 2,634 0.9620
                      2,332 2,470 0.9441
                      2,319 2,458 0.9434
                      0.9434

                      1. Diva
                        • 9 Years
                        7 years, 1 month ago

                        I used his 5 highest points years: 9-10,12-13,13-14,14-15 and 15-16, but it raises a good point that the five years selected should be the player's five highest percentages of winner's scores.

                      2. TorresMagic™
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                        You could miss the year they win etc and best ranks doesn't necessarily mean 5 highest values as the case for Matt.

                      3. Diva
                        • 9 Years
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                        I'm thinking we need to forget about ranks, beyond how many points were required to become #1. The number of players and the rules have changed over the years.

                        My suggestion says over your five best years what was your average percentage of the winner's score? If someone was so awesome they won FPL five times in their career, they would score 100%. Clearly they would sail into any Hall of Fame.

                        Every point short of that winning score will start pulling you down. Ville Rönkä's quality shows through in the fact he may not have won it, but he consistently attains well in excess of 90% of the winner's score in each of his best five seasons. That's a fantastic achievement and one that has already effectively earned him a place in the FPL Hall of Fame.

                      4. TorresMagic™
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                        I am using the best 5 %'s. Evs finished 5th so that figure helps him a lot.

              2. Qubit
                • 14 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Using my own 5 best (still available from 2006) i get 91.3.

          2. tm245
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Interesting idea. Would the number one score be the better comparison than say the score for 1k, 10k, or some other baseline?

            I think best five years could be the way to go, though if somebody has more than five great seasons you would want to reward that somehow.

            1. Diva
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Given scores among active FPL players would probably produce a bell-shaped distribution, there could be an argument for basing the calculation on a score that captures 95 per cent of active players, but that would probably require a dataset larger than is available to us and this season, for example, would basically draw the measuring point at somewhere around the 100k mark, which seems too low to me.

          3. TorresMagic™
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            Base score for missing years at 85% of winning score is something like this.

            W/S 0.85
            2268 1927.8
            2466 2096.1
            2264 1924.4
            2668 2267.8
            2372 2016.2
            2414 2051.9
            2472 2101.2
            2634 2238.9
            2470 2099.5
            2458 2089.3

            1. Qubit
              • 14 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Base score of 85% is too high, should be much lower to avoid unfair skewing.

              1. TorresMagic™
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                7 years, 1 month ago

                Most years 85% will give you a rank near 150K

                1. Qubit
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  I think that should probably be nearer the 250k mark tbh, but that's just one persons opinion. 🙂

          4. Qubit
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            This has some merit and certainly would be interesting to see the outcome.

      2. tm245
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Check out this conversation on FISO two seasons ago. Similar questioning of the "downweight" for HOF:
        http://www.fiso.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=113861&start=690#p2712072

    9. tm245
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Great thread and discussion, can't wrap my head around it too much more. Looking forward to seeing what the changes could be.

    10. Werkself
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      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      My first season playing FPL there were 2 million fewer players than are playing this season. Statistically, finishing with a rank of 10,000 out of 2 million players is literally half the achievement of finishing with a rank of 10,000 out of 4 million players. A HOF ranking system that doesn't significantly incorporate this understanding into its formula is a mockery of a sham of a fraud of a fiction of deceitful alternative facts!

      1. TorresMagic™
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        My 1st season included being a dead team for about 12 GWs. WC and Ronaldo and co got me a top 2K rank. I wouldn't use 2m and 4m as the real competition may be 100K and 200K this season.

        1. Werkself
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          • 10 Years
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          Understood. Any way you tweek it though my point still stands. The number of players matters.

    11. Ógie
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      This has 1 upvote and gets hulked and FPLVirgins press secretary's Slouch87 motion has 73 upvotes and counting and is been buried :eyeroll:

    12. Bggz
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      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      has to be OR not points, with a decreasing weighting over the past 5 seasons, something like this season 45% then 25, 15, 10, 5

      points are random based on changes in BPS, scoring, individual players, etc, but one thing that never changes is youre up against those around you.

      1. Diva
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Then you're back to a hall of form. You can only be as good as the winner, and the winner can only be as good as the rules and circumstances permit each year. I've suggest above a way that measures each player's ability as a percentage of the winner's performance over each player's best five years. It levels out the circumstances and avoids the problems of a growing player pool.

        1. TorresMagic™
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          Adding 5 best rankings is a basic way also 🙂

          1. Diva
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Yes, simplicity is good. 🙂

        2. Bggz
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          • 13 Years
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          if it doesnt weight the latest season higher it risks become less relevant.
          as the number of teams increase and analysis, info, data, metrics and strategy sharing on fan sites such as this increases, the game gets harder.
          winning this year, means more than last year and thats been the case each year.

          1. Diva
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            You can only beat the players that were around you at the time you played. Football has evolved since Pele played, but no one would deny Pele a place in a Football Hall of Fame because of that.

            This is a continuation of an earlier discussion (see hot topic) around the merits of a Hall of Fame versus a Hall of Form. We have a Hall of Form (called the FFS Hall of Fame). What this conversation is trying to do is discuss how a career Hall of Fame could work.

            1. Bggz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              OK, so this is a different/additional ranking system alongside, rather than instead of, the current HoF. I like it, they should publish a Panini album with shiny stickers for the winner and HoF winner, and a best 11 each year.
              Either way, TMs suggestion based on points doesn’t work because point totals across seasons don’t correlate. I actually got the same total points two years in a row but my rank was ~50k places different.
              Ranking also has built in tie-break metrics (transfers made, etc).

              2011/12, 2,024, 124,571
              2012/13, 2,024, 172,532

          2. Qubit
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            I disagree with this, i think whilst in general its fair to say FPL is harder now than 10+ years ago i don't think it is easy to quantify exactly how much by and certainly not to be able to say how much from year to year, and so to attempt to do so will probably result in overly skewed results.

            The average of a players last 5 years finishes will provide a fairly fair measure of a players 'form'.

    13. Qubit
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Problem 1, this isn't a measure of career hof, its a measure of form, but that's merely a nomenclature issue i guess, so ignoring that lets have a look at it.

      For anyone still wondering i think they want to have some kind of way of adding in people who have missed years or are new. To me that misses the point, why should they be listed at all if they haven't played enough to be fairly rated? I know the real answer but the fact remains that trying to skew a system to include those that haven't earnt the right to be there will only end up making the system less accurate (unless you place the bar for making up the difference very low).

      Second would be points - there is fairly large variation in points scored from year to year, it really should be done on ranking only.

      So, here would be my suggestion, it should be done over average of last 5 years rank and that's it. Again the more you try and lay a points scoring system over the top of things the less accurate/true picture you will end up with.

      This way you don't need any other way of taking into account the difference in numbers playing from 10+ years ago as the numbers were fairly similar 5 years ago (and to be honest its mostly made up of vast numbers of people playing who don't have a clue and play 'casually' rather than people who know what they're doing, so FPL is not massively harder than it was 5 years ago).

      This would be the fairest measure of a fantasy managers 'form' so to speak. Personally i think you should have to have 5 full years before inclusion into the 'HOF' but if you wanted to include everyone with missing or less years then you could say that all missing years would be taken as something daft like 2000000.

      1. cheekumz
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        This 100%, any real solution has to only include people who deserve to be in a hall of fame, however you define that, you shouldn't be looking to skew a system to include others. Also, ranking is the only fair way to gauge a standing imo, as with new/ altered scoring mechanics, (wildcards, restructuring of bonus points etc), the variance from year to year makes one years points less relevant against anothers. If the volume of players skews results enough then weight against it somehow.

      2. Qubit
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Just to be clear, my suggestion was for a hall of 'form' - 5 most recent years. A hall of 'fame' could, as discussed above include a players 5 best finishes for example using a formula to calculate the rating, some good discussion up there.

    14. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Minimum 5 individual years participation in FPL (some may have played over 7 seasons but missed a few seasons in between), use the last 5 years of ranking, remove best and worst rank, calculate average rank from the remaining 3 years to give the HoF rank.

      Try it and see who wins out 😉

      1. Qubit
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Was just coming on here to say almost exactly this. Removing the best and worst should give a truer picture of a managers form.

  18. Henryyy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Brunt to

    Valencia or Alderwireld?

    Cheers

    1. white heart pain
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia

    2. dark91
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Valencia

  19. Albrightondknight
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    If Kane comes back in 31.

    1. Would you get Kane or Ibra in?
    2. GW 34 Ibra double or Kane single

    I am leaning towards a huge punt of not getting Ibra at all for 34 and captaining a sgw player.
    Still having a WC makes it easy to bring Ibra in for 34 and gone on 35 WC, but I still might not do it.
    Percentage ownership and captaincy is a double sided coin. If you go against the crowd and get it right ...

    1. dark91
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I don't think Kane will be back by GW 31 if that helps you decide

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I'll prefer Kane but not sure if he is returning anytime soon...

  20. MrFlibbles
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Defoe > Vardy or keep Defoe?

    1. Phil Dagger ⭐
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Keep surely

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Keep. Defoe is better pick

    3. Pep says
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I'm keeping him. Contemplating Gabbi to Vardy for a hit though

    4. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Get Vardy. More explosive than Defoe and captaincy material.

  21. cuervos
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    For next gw (-4)?
    a) Sanchez, Davies and Stephens in for Antonio, King and Funes Mori
    b) Sanchez, Mawson and Barnes in for Antonio, Funes Mori and Llorente

    1. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      B if you must but nothing really appeals tbh.

  22. FFPro
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/348/Anytime+Goalscorer.html

    Goalscoring odds out

    Costa favourite by a decent amount

    1. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I bet he a rank outsider to get 2 or more though 😉

  23. bigbudgie
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Morning!

    Who should be first to go out of this lot?

    Heaton/Pickford
    Baines Alonso Valencia Amat Pieters
    Mane Firmino Siggy Lanzini Fletcher
    Costa Lukaku Llorente

    1. FFPro
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Firmino to Eriksen/Alli

      1. bigbudgie
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Dayum. I have a real thing for Firmino. I just love his points...and that home fixture to Bournemouth in 31....argh

    2. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      So who needs booting?

      Baines, Amat, Firmino, Lanzini, Fletcher.

      I feel double Liverpud is overkill and Firmino would be my choice.

      1. bigbudgie
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        ok Cheers 🙂

        In that case would you bring in Sanchez Hazard or Alli for Firmino?

        1. Jafalad
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Alli. Not too sure about Sanchez. Prefer Pedro to Hazard.

    3. bigbudgie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Baines > Vertonghan or Bertrand

      And then Llorente > Ibra next week ?

  24. Chilavert
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    B but why do you want to sell Funes Mori. He will get more game time now that Coleman is out

    1. Chilavert
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      reply fail

      1. Jafalad
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah..it's a bit of a borefest isn't it?

        Why aren't the real players like me and you to spill the beanz?

  25. white lightning
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Is this worth a -4 hit. I have the exact money & if I wait Alli will be out of my price range. I will also be playing my AOA chip if Jones is out:
    Coleman out - Yoshida in
    Antonio out - Alli in

    Valdes (Foster)
    Alonso, Walker (Jones, Pieters, Yoshida)
    Sanchez, Mane, Alli, Siggy, King
    Costa (c), Lukaku, Llorente

    Thanks.

    1. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Yes - Alli is the TOT milf worth having and Yosh has has a dgw coming up.

    2. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Looks good.

      Consider Holgate also.

      I just dont fancy SOU double gameweek and yoshida may only be brought in for that purpose.

      Would you care to answer my query below. Thanks

  26. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    So the HOF pi55ing contest is still ongoing.

    Blah blah fceking blah...

    *logs off

    1. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Ooops reply fail above.

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        HOF = Hall of foam

        Old men pi55ing foam for the first time.

  27. Angin out the Begović
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Haha my all England team got 97 points last week.

    What a bench boost! with Dawson and Pickford haha

    1. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      You only pick England players? 😕

      1. Angin out the Begović
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        i have an account for my all England team yes. 1776437 sitting on around 400K mark

        😀

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      King is from Norway lol.

  28. Team Bobcat
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Just putting it out there. Which is the better move after this weekends games for a (-4)

    a) Siggy Llorente > Sanchez Giroud
    b) Siggy Pedro > Sanchez Erikson

    I dont have spurs or arsenal cover at present

    1. Angin out the Begović
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      keep them but shift llorente for deeny

    2. Jafalad
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      B.

    3. Sebastes
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Out of those, b. What's the rest of your team?

    4. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Deeney an option but prices me out of sanchez and spurs MID

      Mane Firmino King
      Luk Vardy

      1. Sebastes
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        B. But I'd be tempted to lose firmino instead of Pedro if you can make use of the extra cash.

        It's not that straightforward though. I have Firm and Mane myself and can't really decide on whether to keep both or lose one after BUR

        1. Team Bobcat
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Cheers. Nothing set in stone so may look to shift either mane firm too but I think pedro is more of a problem child

          1. Sebastes
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Np mate. Anyway you go Spurs
            ccover is more of a priority then double arsenal imo

    5. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      With arsenal doubles i may fancy giroud and sanchez but no spurs mid cover is killing me

  29. Sebastes
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Watford has really good fixtures short term and I'll be wildcarding gw35/36. Any of their defenders an option as a punt?

  30. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Vardy or Deeney?

    1. Sebastes
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Depends on what you'd do with the cash if Deeney, I think. If I have to pick one regardless, it'd be Vardy