Opinion

The Burning Question: How much stock should we put in pre-season?

With a busy summer of pre-season friendlies behind us, Fantasy managers have been given plenty of hints on potential formations and starting XIs for Gameweek 1.

Manchester United’s summer schedule has afforded a fair indication as to where Memphis Depay and Wayne Rooney will be deployed. There’s also form to consider, with Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling demonstrating plenty of pace and menace over the summer, while Christian Benteke signalled his intent with a debut strike for Liverpool ahead of their opener with Stoke.

With all this in mind, we ask the “Burning Question”: how much stock should we put in pre-season?

Simon March (FPL winner 2014/15) says…
Pre-season is a better indicator of some things than others. For example, it can offer guidance on a manager’s favoured line-ups and formations, which, as we get closer to the season start, tend to become less experimental and a more reliable view of how that team will actually play. Of course, there are several potential agitators to even this information, such as the player fatigue that follows international tournaments or the open transfer window. These need to be taken into account when judging the reliability of what we see in pre-season.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that not all pre-season matches are created equal. There’s a big difference between exhibition clashes on a tour and more competitive matches such as the Europa League qualifiers or the Community Shield. The latter type of fixture is, we would assume, a manifestation of what a manager perceives to be his best available XI, playing in their best formation and, therefore, should be better indicators of what to expect going forwards.

The reliability of pre-season performances as a barometer of player form is even more difficult to assess. This is partly because of the fleeting nature of form itself but, also, because a player’s performances cannot be viewed in isolation. For example, Raheem Sterling scoring a brace in a recent friendly sounds encouraging, until you see that the opposition was the Vietnam XI. There’s a danger that we only look at part of the information and become subject to that old enemy of Fantasy managers; confirmation bias. Again, the quality of the opposition and the competitiveness of the fixture are key considerations.

Given the apparent unreliability of much of what it demonstrates, it’s tempting to write-off pre-season form altogether but I don’t think it is always entirely misleading. Where it seems to fail us most is when it comes to ‘bargain-hunting’ (I’m looking at you Mauro Boselli and Danny Graham) but, even during the main season, it is the form of budget players that tends to be the most transient. Where I think pre-season displays can be somewhat more indicative is when it’s being demonstrated by a previously proven FPL performer, preferably against solid opposition. Last season, for example, Aaron Ramsey followed-up a strong pre-season with two goals in his first couple of fixtures.

Overall, pre-season form offers a small set of mostly unreliable data and, for those reasons, should not be the principle influence on our selection. But that doesn’t mean it’s totally meaningless. Rather it’s a matter of viewing the overall context, picking out the more reliable indicators and using these, and only these, to inform our choices.

D1sable says…
For me, there are two important things to take from pre-season. The first concerns a player’s level of fitness. Has he had the minutes to be at his best? Is he likely to start the season after summer exploits? These can surely give an indication if the player is likely to start, which surely is the single most important factor in Fantasy Football.

Secondly, how are the team lining up? Is their new signing being shifted up into the front three? Is he taking a share of set pieces? These can give indications of potential for sure, though, on the other hand, if a full squad isn’t available for selection, it can also be a little misleading, so some research is recommended before diving in.

Aside from these two points, I genuinely think pre-season form matters very little, given that so many opponents are far from the calibre you’d expect to find in the Premier League.

Applebonkers says…
Pre-season is all we have for a month so, admit it or not, it chauffeurs our attentions from player to player. Wigan’s Mauro Boselli is the obvious example of a player to shine in pre-season but fall flat in the Premier League. Arguably, Jozy Altidore’s international hat-trick for USA four days before the season started carries the most guilt.

So the only time “form” plays any part now is as part of the word “formation”. With four new managers, an obscene amount of summer signings and a trio of promoted sides added to the mix, there are lots of unknowns, which the final friendly specifically provides some insight into. That insight should be limited to starting place and starting position, though. Past knowledge of the player and future hunches should do the rest.

Jonty says…
Pre-season is littered with traps, with squad players shining brightly on a Tuesday night against Gravesend, Burton Albion or the best XI Vietnam can muster, only to be dropped when the season gets underway and they have to face proper Premier League opposition.

I gain little knowledge from a player scoring against minnows in a friendly but that is not to say pre-season is not without its uses. The schedule of friendlies can be useful to clarify existing ideas about players. With a good summer under his belt, I go into 2015/16 with high hopes that Mesut Ozil will do well. Pre-season has shown me that he has the manager’s support and is delivering against some top sides, as well as some lesser ones.

In contrast, I’m still unsure as to whether Wayne Rooney, Memphis Depay or Juan Mata will be the best Manchester United option and the summer matches haven’t helped either. The Red Devils have looked brilliant and laboured in equal measure of late, which has offered me little guidance. I’ll most likely go for Rooney as a seasoned performer.

Each year I tend to stick with players in my Gameweek 1 squad who have delivered for me in previous years and have favourable fixtures, such as Rooney. A good or poor pre-season performance can help with such decisions, but rarely do they dictate them.

Evs says…
Fantasy managers need to carry out some pre-season research, particularly to understand where or when a new signing will fit into already established teams. I often use the last match prior to the season getting underway as a good indicator, as most coaches tend to give their starting team a trial run before the big kick off.

Obviously we need to be careful of a big or expensive signing and jumping to conclusions that he may take the place of an already-established player. A cracking example of this was Filipe Luis last year, who failed to make an impact for Chelsea in the Premier League.

New signings can always be a gamble based on summer form. For every Michu, the Swansea midfielder who carried his form into the Premier League, there is a Mauro Boselli, who has become synonymous for failed pre-season punting.

Mark says…
I always love to at least try to put some emphasis on pre-season form. I think this is natural because, having gone to the trouble of tracking player progress for behind-closed-doors training matches and Tuesday night trips to Exeter, I want some kind of pay-off for my efforts. I want to take a punt on a player with strong pre-season form to justify my toils in maintaining lists of teamsheets, goals and assists when others, including some notable players, are reclined by a pool.

In reality, history has taught me that putting too much stock in that striker who scores a glut of summer goals is dangerous.

Having said that, with fitness analysts at play in every club, there’s no doubt that Premier League managers have their players tracked meticulously during this spell. The minutes spent on the pitch are logged and analysed and only 11 players who have proved their fitness will cross the line in Gameweek 1. With this in mind, we have to take notice and use the information gleaned as a guide to our own decisions.

For me, two players stand out and their performances in pre-season has convinced me that I have to take their application to my squad seriously – they are Theo Walcott and Raheem Sterling. Both look fired up and, quite literally, “up to speed” to the point that I believe they will terrorise defenders from the get-go.

Would I have had the confidence in them to select them without studying pre-season progress? Maybe, but like many things with Fantasy Football, having more information, having another angle and viewpoint, is just enough to tip a decision and resolve a dilemma.

Demi says…
I don’t think pre-season should have much influence on who we pick based on their goal scoring exploits. However, it’s always nice when a player you were already considering notches a couple over the summer just to reaffirm your belief. In reality, there shouldn’t be a great deal read into it, because pre-season is mainly used to get players’ fitness up and give manager’s an idea of who’s going to feature prominently in their first team plans. It obviously isn’t played with the same intensity as a competitive match and the goals scored during summer friendlies aren’t cherished or remembered by the players/clubs once the campaign kicks off.

Pre-season can be very important to get a feel of players starting positions, and the formations that managers are likely to stick with for the start of the campaign. It can also be a decent indicator of which fringe/youth players could enter our thoughts for the budget positions in the squad at some point in the season if their are injuries to the first XI at any point in the season.

Ryan says…
I take very little from pre-season matches. The whole point of summer friendlies is for the entire squad to gain match fitness and be up to speed for the campaign ahead. Form should be taken with a large grain of salt because we cannot expect either team in a friendly to playing at 100%.

We can perhaps get a gauge on likely first team players. Some managers have played their pre-season fixtures with an obvious first and second team. This might give a strong indication as to who the manager considers to be first choice. I think it’s clear who Louis Van Gaal considers as first choice for Manchester United based on the two-team set-up he employed in the USA tour, for example.

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5,434 Comments Post a Comment
  1. PoolSince2015
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    You HAVE to choose,

    A: Sterling

    B: Walcott

    1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott

      1. Woy of the Wovers
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I guess so. But I don't like all these restrictions.

    2. premierglaser
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      For now, wally. @Gw4, sterling

    3. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    4. jamesacresswell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    5. Je suis le chat
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sterling of the 2, lots of other Ars options.

    6. UnitedFan
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sterling, more nailed and will shine IMO, even more with the absence of Aguero at the start.

    7. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    8. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B

    9. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I did choose, and I chose Walcott.

    10. che
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      When both are fit and nailed (which they seem to be now) Which one scores the most goals?
      Walcott.

  2. Spoiler
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    whats everyone going with week 1, bench boost triple captain or 2 at the back?

    1. Spoiler
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      just read its once a season my bad

    2. Alan Hansen's Emu
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not bench boost. Not expecting Jenkinson to get many points...

    3. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nothing, obviously

      1. Gorgles
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        If you think the new chip play is obvious, then you should think again. gw1 I think is a good time to use AOA, but even if you disagree, its not an "obviously"

        1. Wings Fan
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Setting up your squad with the intention of playing that formation will leave it unbalanced for the weeks ahead. Plus there is absolutely no indication of form, be it for teams or individuals.

    4. palace ash
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      11 players starting will do for me!

    5. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      2 at the back.

    6. Gorgles
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      AOA

  3. Alan Hansen's Emu
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Pick 2 out of 3 please

    Ramsey

    Caz

    Ozil

    1. Leaf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ozil & Rambo

    2. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ozil by a mile, and then Ramsey, just

    3. Alan Hansen's Emu
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Thanks

    4. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ramsey, Ozil

  4. premierglaser
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Better to WC in:
    A) GW3
    B) GW4
    C) GW5
    D) Whenever aguero returns

    1. palace ash
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Pre GW4

    2. The Iron Tulip
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      E) none of the above

    3. Gorgles
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      E) GW2

    4. che
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      E) Give your own selections a chance first, make astute informed transfers to get him in before you WC everyone else's players in. Use WC when you need it

  5. palace ash
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone running a decent H2H league and care to share codes?

    I know it's easy to search for them and sneak in, but I thought I'd ask first!

  6. CorAndo_x
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT PLEASE!!
    Hart (Butland)
    Darmian Azp Clyne (Ward & Targett)
    Hazard Depay Sterling Walters (Coquelin)
    Rooney Lukaku Berhinho

    1. premierglaser
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      watchout for berahino early fixtures

    2. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Berahinho and Coquelin? Please dont.

    3. Redalert
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Hart, darwmian, clyne, delay, Walters, coq and ber need shifting.

    4. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Prefer Lambert to Berahino. Coquelin a waste of an Arsenal spot, and too much spent on the keepers

  7. Granville
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Reece Oxford? Talk to me.

    1. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I don't think he uses this website

    2. Demí
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      he's not online right now. can i take a message

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not sure he logs on.

    4. Big4FPL
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      He's my 4.0 bench player!

    5. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      He's 16

    6. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      *insert witty comeback here*

    7. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Leave a message after the tone.

    8. Acquafresca
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Only nailed for GW1 with Jenks ineligible apparently.

      1. JJO
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Who is Burke?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          West Ham RB.

      2. CABAYE4
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I heard Tomkins will fill in for Jenks.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Possible, but unlikely.

      3. invertebrate
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Nailed is a strong term. Coin flip between him and Burke.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Neither is nailed, but nor is it a coin flip.

    9. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Minutes pre-Season: 539, 1A, 1Y.

      Only James Tomkins has more.

      Played at LCB and LDM.

      1. Granville
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        In place of Cresswell?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Eh? Cresswell is a Full Back ...

          1. Granville
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Ah yes, what am I on. Reece isn't a FB

          2. Colonel Klink
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Do you see preseason minutes turning into actual season minutes?

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Yes, I do. Burke got 415 last Season, and Oxford is very much the coming man(boy).

              They will feature in the side at some point.

              1. Colonel Klink
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Many thank yous.

  8. roghippo
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Is it madness to start without any Chelsea?

    1. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Without anyone other than Hazard is fine

    2. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No

    3. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Yes, because when their prices go up you won't be able to afford them.

      1. Numb
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        They'll only go up if they score well

        1. Shipstontrev
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Exactly

          1. Numb
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            And vice versa though

  9. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Which is best?

    1. Ritchie and Sakho
    2. Lens and Wilson

    Thanks

    1. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1, though it is more expensive.

      I think Ritchie will outscore Wilson (though there won't be much in it), and that Sakho will outscore Lens.

    2. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1, got to be.

      1. da Beeeez
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        TBOL - i responded to your draft question a couple pages back

    3. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1.

    4. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      thanks

  10. Ludo
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Blimey, Hazard over 70% ownership in UFPL...

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Wow, expected though.

    2. invertebrate
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Bit surprised it's not more to be honest. Hard to ignore him in a long-term game.

  11. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    So going for the 3 rotating 4.5 Defs. Namely Huth Coates and Francis. But who to start gwk1? Huth at mo.

    1. Coaly
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      huth

    2. Je suis le chat
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'd play Huth and Francis. Don't like the idea of benching any of the 3.

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Ok out of these 5 which 3 would you play?

        Cedric Kosc Huth Francis Coates

  12. Brian (Not the Messiah)
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    a) Rooney + Pelle
    b) Aguero + 5.5

    1. Coaly
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      b with mane in midfield

    2. sinik
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      A if you want to wait, B if you want to gamble

  13. Coaly
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    3rd 4th and 5th def spots for 13m, can I improve on this?

    Huth O'Shea Targett

    Keepers are Fabianski 4.0

  14. Every Dog Has Its Day
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Alen Halilović (19) will join West Ham for 7.5M. Barcelona included a 10M buy back clause. [Sport]

    This guy is brilliant, good signing for West Ham if the deal actually goes through.

    1. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      What position does he play?

      1. ElDaddy
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        He's the next Xavi, that says a lot

      2. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Attacking mid.

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Unlikely. Sorry.

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Dreams crushed...

  15. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    really liking this, but please tear it apart as you see necessary (criticism always welcome!)

    Schmeichel - Butland
    Lescott - Cedric - Huth - O'Shea - Francis
    Hazard - Walcott - Ozil - Ritchie - Wanyama
    Rooney - Kane - Pelle

    route into Kun would be Rooney out and Pelle > Deeney or even Haz/Walcott downgraded in order to keep Rooney

    1. The Iron Tulip
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I really like it, would probs go for a bit stronger defence though

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I'm putting my faith in the BPS system and just stacking my attack..too many players I want

    2. Numb
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm not mad keen on a few players if I'm honest but nothing much - just opinions

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        go on 😉

        1. Numb
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Honestly, just personal opinions...

          O'Shea - not sure he's nailed on anymore
          Francis - nagging doubt that he will be
          Ozil - prefer other Arsenal mids (unless he switches back to the centre - was on the left in the CS)
          Ritchie - not sure
          Rooney - think he's in decline
          Pelle - a bit of a donkey, but seems to score quite well so...

  16. riccorich
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A) Ivanovic - Özil - fletcher
    or
    B) Azpi - Walcott - Sinclair

    Team as of now is:
    Cech/Hennessey
    Ivan - Cederic - Francis - Huth - Coates
    Haz - Özil - Mata - Mane - Fletcher
    Roo - Pelle - Wilson

  17. cricketmad787
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    RMT

    Schmeicel
    Azpilicueta-Cedric-Wisdom-O'Shea
    Hazard-Sterling-Ozil-Mane
    Rooney-Pelle

    Butland-Ighalo-Ki-Jenkinson

  18. thegab
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Sterling or Walcott for the first two gameweeks?

    1. cricketmad787
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'd go Sterling

    2. Whiskerz
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I have both but if I was going for just one I'd go with Walcott on fixtures.

    3. riccorich
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott

    4. The Iron Tulip
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I have both but for first 2 games - Walcott

    5. 1569Tippins
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott

    6. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott

    7. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Walcott

    8. Redalert
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm going sterling as I have cazorla.

  19. Heytch
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Kind of want Pelletgrini to come out and declare Aguero as playing Friday

    My Aguero teams have far less options and headaches!

    1. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      +1

      1. Heytch
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        What AFCB in your Aguero team ship?

        Tidy enough fixtures

        1. Shipstontrev
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Ritchie and Francis. I want Wilson, but 3 Bournemouth is too much of a punt, even for me,

    2. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I've jsut built my team with him in and might make a last minute call to drop him but keep cash in bank.

      1. Heytch
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I couldn't do that. For me it's wildcard or in

        I think too many points will go missing if it's 2.5m+ banked

        Only willing to take the weaker team when he's in it with the armband on

  20. BERGKOP
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone who has been watching Spurs preseason.

    How is Alde settling in?

    1. Heytch
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      They've barely played

      Weird pre season. Nice 8th and a manager sacking coming up

      1. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Doesn't sound promising. Thanks for the heads up

  21. Sánchez
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Wings Fan.

    Mane played 2/3 rds of Sterlings minutes last year.
    He got 17points less.

    Sterling was a striker half the season too.
    And Mane went away to ACON hence minutes.

    For 1.0 saving, Mane beats Sterling for me.
    I'd take Mane over Sterling if both were 8.5.
    Especially considering opening fixtures.

    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      mane now has europa league and more competition for places though

      1. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Sterling has far tougher competition for place though.
        Nasri silva navas toure even. Big sides can afford to rotate

    2. CABAYE4
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1. Sterling's playing for a better side now.

      2. Sterling's nailed on, Mane's not.

      3. PPM is not a good measure of usefulness for FPL imo, it over-exaggerates the potential of players who play less minutes.

    3. Wings Fan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      "Last year"

      I would imagine that playing with Aguero and Silva, and not spending half of the season wanting to jump ship, will see a significant improvement.

      1. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Aye but aguero gets the goals. Sterling will assist the assister a lot at city i think.
        More rotation risk at big club too.

        1. Wings Fan
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          We'll see at the end of the season 🙂

    4. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Points Per Game last season was quite close:

      Sterling - 4.6
      Mane - 4.5

      Points Per Start on the other hand:

      Sterling - 4.6
      Mane - 5.5

      1. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This. And the main point is, fixtures right now suit mane.
        Long term is always secondary to the immediate

    5. Cowboy John
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Agree with all of this....

  22. Whiskerz
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Pretty happy with my team. What do you think?

    Courtois (Rudd)
    Koscielny / Azpilicueta / Cedric (Gamboa / Senderos)
    Hazard / Walcott / Sterling / Tadic (Behrami)
    Kane / Benteke / Berahino

    1. riccorich
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Would rather go Milner than Tadic and Berahino has 4 tough games out of the first 7. Rest looks good!

  23. Razmataz
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Myhill (4.5) Butland (4.5)

    Ivanovic(7.0) Mertesacker (5.5) Cedric (5.0) Bassong (4.5) O'Shea (4.5)

    Hazard (11.5) Wallcott (9.0) Mata (8.5) Ritchie (6.0) Barry (4.5)

    Rooney (10.5) Benteke (8.5) Sakho (6.5)

    But I am 0.5m short. What you think... And how can I cut out 0.5m

    1. An Púca
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Bassong to Targett gets that 0.5m

      Wouldn't go for Mata myself

      1. ViperStripes
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I did Bassong to Targett myself yesterday.

    2. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Get Ruddy/Rudd and Bassong for Huth

    3. And we all have legs
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Mata to Mane or Ivan to Azpi then Mata to Sterling. Imo.

  24. The Gambler.
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I take it the lack of love for Cazorla on here is due to his playing deeper?

    19% owned overall though

    1. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Good player but not worth 8.5m in FPL imo

      1. The Gambler.
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        On pens too

        1. Numb
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Second choice on pens

          1. Wings Fan
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Forgive my ignorance? Who's first? Because if it's Arteta it's a bit of a moot point

            1. Numb
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah, Arteta

        2. Mull
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          That's about his only positive versus the other £8.5m players. Ramsey and Ozil offer much more.

      2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Don't let Doosra hear you say that 😉

        1. Shipstontrev
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          😉

    2. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      People love Wally

    3. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No nailed every week either. Arsenal mids can rotate on occassion which causes headaches.

      Wally doesn't make this any easier but for a few GWs he could be gold. If not, downgrade to a performing mid.

  25. Aston Villa-Boas
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Thoughts on this draft? too risky??? 😀

    http://gyazo.com/26c60ca8471c7f1f940441b0c84762ad

    1. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The only risk is Kolarov. Solid team.

      1. Aston Villa-Boas
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        the more I look at it the more I like it

    2. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      All looks good except City defence with Kolarov, city defence is usually dire

      1. Aston Villa-Boas
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        kolarov is about attacking points tho

    3. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Looks good but i hate people starting the 4.0 keeper
      If you do that every week, i hope ruddy saves a pen, then picks up a knock and rudd comes on last minute

      1. Aston Villa-Boas
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yeah im on the fence about the whole starting the 4.0... there are advantages to both

  26. ViperStripes
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A: Milner & Ritchie & Gestede (Avl) + 0.5m itb
    OR
    B: Walcott/Ozil & Sinclair & Wilson (Bou) + 0.0m itb

    will have to flip a coin on Walcott or Ozil

    1. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B by a mile

      1. ViperStripes
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        What happened to your OR each season you've done worse than the last one for past 5 years.

    2. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      B - Gestede has only just joined Villa

  27. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    lol these pages move too fast! haha

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Give it 3-4 hours.

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        yep yep

    2. Nascimento
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This slowed it down a bit though.

      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        o.O jinxed

  28. Big4FPL
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Mane captain GW1 is tempting me...even with Hazard and Walcott in my team

    1. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Steve McClaren is not John Carver.

  29. pieces
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone have the link to the spreadsheet with players pre-season game time for eah team?

    1. pieces
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Meh *each*

  30. UnitedFan
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Bellerin nailed or what?

    1. Nascimento
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      What