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Tuchel explains decision to bench Mendy as Chelsea rotation continues

Chelsea face Newcastle United in the second of two Premier League matches to take place on Monday evening.

Kick-off in west London is at 20:00 GMT.

Having rotated frequently since his appointment, Thomas Tuchel has sprung another surprise with his teamsheet tonight.

Edouard Mendy (£5.1m) is the latest high-profile name to face bench duty, with Kepa Arrizabalaga (£4.7m) given another chance to impress his new manager.

Speaking ahead of kick-off, Tuchel explained his decision:

Four of the five most-owned Chelsea players in Fantasy Premier League are among the substitutes this evening, with Timo Werner (£9.2m) the only one to start.

In related news, none of the back five – including goalkeeper Mendy – that Frank Lampard favoured for much of 2020/21 makes Tuchel’s starting XI this evening.

Thiago Silva (£5.6m) is still missing because of injury, with Ben Chilwell (£5.9m), Reece James (£5.0m) and Kurt Zouma (£5.4m) among the replacements.

Tammy Abraham (£7.2m) starts ahead of Olivier Giroud (£6.7m) up front, meanwhile.

Steve Bruce makes four changes to the Newcastle side that beat Southampton in Gameweek 23.

All four are enforced, with Javier Manquillo (£4.2m), Callum Wilson (£6.6m) and Fabian Schar (£4.9m) injured and Jeff Hendrick (£4.5m) suspended.

In come Ciaran Clark (£4.5m), Jamaal Lascelles (£4.2m), Dwight Gayle (£5.9m) and Emil Krafth (£4.2m)into Bruce’s starting XI.


Chelsea XI: Kepa, Azpilicueta, Christensen, Rudiger, Hudson-Odoi, Jorginho, Kovacic, Mount, Alonso, Abraham, Werner.

Newcastle United XI: Darlow, Krafth, Lascelles, Clark, Lewis, Hayden, Shelvey, Willock, Almiron, Saint-Maximin, Gayle.

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  1. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    How’s she looking? 1FT 2.4m ITB

    Martinez (Areola)
    Cancelo Dallas Mee (Digne Stones)
    Salah Bruno Son Gundogan Raphinha
    Ings Bamford(c) (Watkins)

    1. BeWater
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Decent. Are you looking to keep that front 3 in 26 or make any upgrades?

        1. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Currently unsure. Have been eyeing a WC that would see:
          Areola to 3.9
          Digne to AWB (or someone cheaper and go pricier below)
          Mee to 4.8 (dunno who)
          Raphinha to ESR
          Bamford to Kane

    2. JohnnyRev7
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      That's me in the spotlight.

      1. JohnnyRev7
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Or crawling back under his rock.

        Nothing to see here boys and girls. Move along now.

      2. Gooner Kebab
        • 8 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Losing my religion

    3. Gazwaz80
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Play up...

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Pompey?

    4. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      85 with Areola Cancelo Digne Stones and hopefully Gundo(c) with a second go at it.

      Sadly not Mee...

      1. JohnnyRev7
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Who's team is it then?

        1. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          😉 clever

          1. JohnnyRev7
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            But grammatically incorrect. 😉

      2. Fero1905
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Is mee out?

        1. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Sadly has to miss due to protocol even though he’s fine. Sucks

      3. Silicon Vialli
        • 3 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Nice..

        WC on 95 with Rudiger, Ederson, Stones, Gundog (c), and Lowton still to go..

    5. Amey
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Tuchel will know today who's the real manager in Chelsea team 😎

    6. Rainer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Alonso of old... 🙂

    7. Alisson WondHaaland
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      For DGW 26 would you rather have:

      A) Barnes + Cavani
      B) Grealish + Cavani
      C) Kane + Bamford (No DGW)

      1. Rainer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Captain in each scenario?

        If the fixtures fall as expected and you want Kane captain, go for it!

        Bamford can score against anyone.

      2. marcos11
          2 months, 2 days ago

          C

      3. El Presidente
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Rubbish!! I don't accept that explanation at all... just destroying Frank's legacy... clown.

        1. Rainer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          He left a managerial legacy?

          Biggest moment was his big’un at Klopp.

      4. Hybrid.power
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        63 points on Saturday from 4 players. 19 points from 7 players yesterday and today. Mad!

        1. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Similar here yea, 65 after Saturday but only 83 now (85 after autosub)

          1. Hybrid.power
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Classic FPL!

      5. MidTableFantasy
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Have you gone over the 100 point mark for any GW this season so far?
        A) Yes
        B) No

        1. In Bale We Trust
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          No, but looking likely I will this gw

        2. pundit of punts
          • 8 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Got 100 and 101

        3. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          A) hopefully but about to do it twice this week

        4. Top Lad Dakes. - WC/TC left
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Yes, DGW19.

          Currently on 85 with hopefully 5 including captain left so hoping I can do it again

        5. Il Capitano
            2 months, 2 days ago

            A. Fell a few points short in 19, but Coufal autosub has put me at 102 as it stands this week

          • JohnnyRev7
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Yes.

            GW19 103pts.

            Currently on 95 with 1 player live and potentially 5 to play.

          • The Units
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Yes

          • Buck The Trent
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            DGW19
            This week on 90 with 6 to go

          • Ian & Zen
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            No, hoping this week
            (109 in GW19, but had a -16 hit)

        6. BeWater
            2 months, 2 days ago

            This entire gameweek hinges on Raheem Sterling v Gundogan now. Main ML rival has Sterling (c) and Gundogan. I have Gundogan (c) and no Sterling.

            1. Rainer
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Hope Sterling is benched so and he only adds one extra point, Gundo probably done for this double.

            2. TOLV TUMS
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Is that you, Malc lol

            3. dando89
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Yep I need Gundog to do nothing next game and Sterling to get a brace. I have both

          • Nanoelektronicar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Bottomed

            Antonio, Soucek, Coufal > Ings, Raphina, Burn (-8)

            BB: Martinez (LEI), Grealsih(LEI), DCL(liv), Burn(CRY)

            It might be waste of a chip, but: Martinez is in great form. Grealish is not a player you want to bench, but I prefer to play two City defs, Dallas with double and Lowton with WBA. DCL versus Liverpool without centrebacks, and Burn against Zahaless Palace, also downgrading the bench.

          • pundit of punts
            • 8 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Pardon the long post here. As a WCer I need to get this right or my season could be in tatters. 🙂 Here my WC 25 BB 26 team then -

            Lloris - McCarthy
            Dias - Stones - Shaw - Holgate - Targett
            Bruno - Son - Grealish - Gundogan - Barnes
            Kane - Ings - Watkins

            Will have Bamford and Raphinha for DGW 25 and switch to Barnes and Watkins for -4 in DGW 26.

            DGW 25 - Bamford + Raphinha + Ings + McCarthy
            DGW 26 - BB with 15 dgwers
            BGW 29 - have 6 players already. Will get 4 more with 1 hit.

            Have Ings, McCarthy, Holgate, triple villa, triple city and triple spurs for their extra dgws.

            Lloris and McCarthy cover each other nicely for their DGWs. Will get lots of games out of them due to the DGWs.

            Salah plan - Get him back in GW 30. Thus won’t have him for 4 gws only which won’t be too much of an issue given my my elaborate plan.

            Phew....thoughts please? Good use of the WC? All bases covered? 🙂

            1. Daniel - When to BB?
              • 11 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              I think you've posted this many times. BTW no Salah

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                I haven’t really.

                Not as elaborately as in this post.

                Had to brainstorm a lot to get here. Just want to check if I’ve missed out on something

            2. Nanoelektronicar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Salah will probably have Eagnless Shefield and Kepa in Chelsea goal in double.

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                This is my big worry

                Salah doesn’t let me have a good BB team 🙁

            3. SADIO SANÉ
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              have no idea what the 26DGWers are, but seems like a decent team - Holgate? no idea if that's a thing

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just trusting Ben Crellin with his predictions

                Holgate has a number of DGWs and can’t find anyone else for that price with so many DGWs

                1. SADIO SANÉ
                  • 5 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  ah cool, Digne could be a thing - obv too expensive for that setup

            4. IRBOX ⚽
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Martinez is a glaring omission.

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                The thing is I need 6 players from villa and spurs to cover for BGW 29

                Need a spurs defender for that to work out. Thus have Lloris instead which rules out Martinez. Targett should suffice.

                Lloris and McCarthy work out very nicely for getting me a lot of games

            5. A Kun & Mateta
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Not fond of the team. Wouldn't plan for hits. Keepers not in form. I'd get Cresswell. Don't fancy Grealish. I'd get a cheaper 5th mid to avoid benching headaches.

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Ummm...

                I’m BBing in 26

                No DGW for cresswell

                1. A Kun & Mateta
                  • 7 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Cress is a season keeper for me, this year's Trent. Maybe hold the BB til later, can be tricky in dgws.

            6. EWH2020
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              It's great but we don't know what the DGW 26 fixtures are. Rendering this a waste of time. You'll just change it in a few days once the fixtures are decided

              1. pundit of punts
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just trusting Ben crellin on this

                He gets it right most of the times

            7. skodaole2
              • 8 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              When the DGW 26 and next GW are announced you ll probably change all of it. Plus doesnt seem right taking a WC having already planned a hit for the following GW without even knowing the fixtures. Stay away from Spurs defence until Reguilon and Aurier are 100% back I would suggest, Martinez will outscore Lloris even if Spurs played 5 games in GW 26

            8. Pat Bonner
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Nice plan. I like it apart from holgate (there’s so many good defenders around 4.5 and is holgate even going to play). I don’t like the keepers either

            9. camarozz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Digne is a waste

            10. Ian & Zen
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              I think you have focused too much on fixtures and not on form - Leeds, Southampton, Spurs, Everton and even Villa have looked awful..
              Plus no double games confirmed yet and then there's Europe games for Spurs, Leicester, Manu U and Man C.
              I'd just plan for what you know and be flexible..ie leave transfers until last moment when you have maximum knowledge

          • Daniel - When to BB?
            • 11 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            3 goals and nothing for Soucek 🙁

            1. Magic Zico
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Get Cresswell 😉

              1. svasei - Up (?) the Rovers
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Got

            2. In Bale We Trust
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Infuriating player. Just want to see the back of him now. The ultimate troll.

            3. Mweene
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Looking forward to selling him for Raphinha this week

          • IRBOX ⚽
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Alonso playing centre forward

            1. svasei - Up (?) the Rovers
              • 11 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Srs? Like in the good old days.

          • Scots Gooner
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Wasn't able to watch the West Ham game. What did Coufal do?

            1. Nanoelektronicar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Missed one v one.

            2. Mweene
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Missed a 1 on 1

            3. Scots Gooner
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Bummer.

            4. Rainer
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Got stage fright.

          • HashAttack
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Alonso giving me a 4th fwd slot 🙂

          • Tonyawesome69 FHXX
            • 2 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Cresswell giving me a good reminder why he is the top scoring defender and not to get rid.

            Have enough itb to do Holding and Antonio to Dallas and Kane.

            Leeds worth the triple up (already have Bamford and Raphinha) or stick with Kane transfer and roll 2nd FT?

            2FT 5.7itb
            Pope
            Cancelo Stones Digne
            Salah Bruno Gundo Raphinha
            Bamford Antonio DCL
            (Martinez Soucek Cresswell Holding)

            1. Coys96
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Im still tempted to get rid...

              City, Spurs, United, Arsenal in next 5 games. No DGW, clogging up a lot of funds too.

              1. Nomar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just keep Cresswell.

                Too many people fartass around with DGW tat and ignore SGW players in great form and with good fixtures.

              2. Tonyawesome69 FHXX
                • 2 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                It's Digne taking up clogging up the funds! Would you bring in Dallas?

                1. Nomar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  In that case, get rid.

          • Gudjohnsen
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Remember the 2 week Zieych bandwagon in November?

            1. Nomar
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Yep.

              Another one I jumped on. Predictably enough, he got injured once under my ownership,

            2. Ooh Ah Cantona
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Yes. That was not one of the FPL community's finest moments

              • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                And the Werner & Auba bandwagons pre season, and the Willian bandwagon after GW1, and the J-Rod bandwagon after GW4, and El Ghazi, and Tierney & and Lacazette after GW17...

            3. Coys96
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Is Gundo meant to not be flagged?

              And should I just go him for Foden and cut my losses? Didn't want to do this week unfortunately, thought Foden would start both and was worth keeping 🙁

              1. Rainer
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                No, a flag would be to do with next GW. Likely gets flag Wednesday night.

            4. Magic Zico
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Talking about FPL players with great value: GK Martinez 5.2 128pts, DEF Creswell 5.8 118pts, MID Gundogan 6.1 123 pts, FWD Bamford 6.8 132 pts. Have you got all?

              1. Nomar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just Gundogan and Bamford.

              2. Gudjohnsen
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Only 2 of them :-/

              3. Coys96
                • 3 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                All but Gundogan. Guess which one I started out of the 4 😉

                1. Nomar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Bamford?

                  1. Coys96
                    • 3 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Ofc!

              4. Tonyawesome69 FHXX
                • 2 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                4/4

                1. Magic Zico
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 2 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Marvellous, same here!

              5. TOLV TUMS
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                All

            5. Rainer
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Great tackle.

              1. El Lobito 10
                • 3 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                That's what she said

            6. Flynny
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Got to feel a bit for Chilwell....seems 2nd fiddle to alonso who has come in from the cold.....

              Not great for his euro 2020 credentials

              1. Nomar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Yeah, completely fallen out of favour.

              2. Magic Zico
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                I remember Luke Shaw few years back, slated by Mou consistently

              3. Coys96
                • 3 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Southgate will still pick him.

            7. Aster
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just sold Soucek.

                Will also sell Antonio. Tired of them both. Raphinha and Ings-welcome

                1. Gudjohnsen
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Did the same for -4

              • CRO KLOPP
                • 3 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                22 points is a good score from my bench on BB?

                1. Nomar
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Yep.

                2. Il Capitano
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Indeed

                  • Fudgy
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 1 Year
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Very nice. I got 32 and a bit annoyed coz coufal messed up

                    1. CRO KLOPP
                      • 3 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Great score mate,I had Coufal too,I expected more,but I would bench Martinez points again if I didn't played it

                      1. Fudgy
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 1 Year
                        2 months, 2 days ago

                        Yes me too and I did do exactly that last gameweek. Just imagine if coufal scored 😛

                        1. CRO KLOPP
                          • 3 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          That would be beautiful,I did have in my team also Maguire who almost scored yesterday,9 points goal

                    2. Nomar
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      I wish my players would mess up by getting CS.

                      1. CRO KLOPP
                        • 3 Years
                        2 months, 2 days ago

                        🙂

                  • TOLV TUMS
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    absolutely

                3. Oooo Matron
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Would you WC this team? Still have Bench Boost.

                  Martinez
                  Dias Cancelo Dallas
                  Grealish Fernandes Sterling Salah Son
                  Bamford Watkins

                  Subs: Button, Dawson, Mee, Brewster

                  1. Coys96
                    • 3 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    No

                  2. Old Bull
                    • 7 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Just needs one or two tweaks. Save WC for dgw

                4. Old Bull
                  • 7 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Are there likely to be more fixtures added in gw29?

                  1. Rainer
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 4 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Villa vs Spurs expected.

                  2. Coys96
                    • 3 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Villa Spurs only

                  3. Old Bull
                    • 7 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Cheers fellas

                5. Rainer
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Giroud DGW wagon!

                  1. SADIO SANÉ
                    • 5 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    sexual

                6. Nightcrawler
                  • 1 Year
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  35k with All chips still intact

                  Time for one final push for top 10k

                  1. Ajax Hamsterdam
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    good luck as long as you stay behind me 😉

                  2. Coys96
                    • 3 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Top 10k ! You can easily still get top 1k

                  3. Fudgy
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 1 Year
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Wow nice, I'm 60k but only have my 2nd WC. You are doing amazing

                    1. Nightcrawler
                      • 1 Year
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Top stuff

                  4. TOLV TUMS
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Nice!!

                  5. Mweene
                    • 7 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Nice. I’m 948th with FH played.

                    1. Nightcrawler
                      • 1 Year
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Wow would gladly trade positions

                  6. Nightcrawler
                    • 1 Year
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Thanksa ll mayb e there is somehwere to hide for me

                7. BeaversWithAttitude
                  • 2 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Is it just me, or does Giroud look like the dude on Zig-Zag rolling papers?

                  1. jesus jesus
                    • 9 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Yes man !!!

                  2. TOLV TUMS
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Haha I had to look that one up but I'm gonna say close enough