FPL

How well do newly-promoted Premier League sides start?

In the end, the top three teams in the 2022/23 Championship table all achieved the success of promotion.

It resulted in an immediate bounce-back for Burnley, with Sheffield United returning after a two-year absence and Luton Town’s play-off success bringing them Premier League football for the first time.

Once the celebrations have died down and pre-season optimism moves aside, we’ve seen contrasting fortunes for such new sides in the top flight.

With Fantasy Premier League (FPL) in mind, let’s check how recent campaigns have begun for newly promoted clubs.

2022/23

FULHAM (1st)BOURNEMOUTH (2nd)NOTTM FOREST (4th)
1v Liverpool (H)2-2 drawv Aston Villa (H)2-0 winv Newcastle (A)0-2 loss
2v Wolves (A)0-0 drawv Man City (A)0-4 lossv West Ham (H)1-0 win
3v Brentford (H)3-2 winv Arsenal (H)0-3 lossv Everton (A)1-1 draw
4v Arsenal (A)1-2 lossv Liverpool (A)0-9 lossv Tottenham (H)0-2 loss
5v Brighton (H)2-1 winv Wolves (H)0-0 drawv Man City (A)0-6 loss
6v Tottenham (A)1-2 lossv Nottm Forest (A)3-2 winv Bournemouth (H)2-3 loss
Expected goals (xG)7.52 (12th)2.53 (20th)6.14 (17th)
Expected goals conceded (xGC)11.05 (19th)10.45 (16th)12.00 (20th)

It was a chaotic beginning for Bournemouth, having conceded the most goals (18) of everyone’s first six matches whilst also keeping two clean sheets. The 9-0 hammering at Liverpool brought Scott Parker’s tenure to an end, as Gary O’Neil stepped into the dugout.

Yet a good Fulham start laid the foundations for their strong season that ended in tenth place. Only Erling Haaland scored more often than Aleksandar Mitrovic‘s six times, with the Serbian forward collecting 39 points in these half-dozen Gameweeks.

Play-off victors Nottingham Forest were back in the top flight for the first time since 1999. Early results were mixed but loanee goalkeeper Dean Henderson was already on two penalty saves by Gameweek 4. Soon peaking at 1.43 million FPL ownership, his season ended with a January injury but it was a happier conclusion for all three teams, each avoiding relegation.

2021/22

NORWICH (1st)WATFORD (2nd)BRENTFORD (3rd)
1v Liverpool (H)0-3 lossv Aston Villa (H)3-2 winv Arsenal (H)2-0 win
2v Man City (A)0-5 lossv Brighton (A)0-2 lossv Crystal Palace (A)0-0 draw
3v Leicester (H)1-2 lossv Tottenham (A)0-1 lossv Aston Villa (A)1-1 draw
4v Arsenal (A)0-1 lossv Wolves (H)0-2 lossv Brighton (H)0-1 loss
5v Watford (H)1-3 lossv Norwich (A)3-1 winv Wolves (A)2-0 win
6v Everton (A)0-2 lossv Newcastle (H)1-1 drawv Liverpool (H)3-3 draw
Expected goals (xG)5.26 (20th)6.76 (13th)8.09 (8th)
Expected goals conceded (xGC)12.94 (19th)8.87 (13th)6.27 (3rd)

It wasn’t the case in 2021/22, when Norwich and Watford dropped straight back into the Championship. The Canaries lost their first six matches and were winless until Gameweek 11, making little impact on the FPL game.

At least the Hornets started with some fight, beating Aston Villa on the opening day. Ismaila Sarr scored that afternoon and his four goals and 39 points were the best of all promoted players after six outings. Just one more goal arrived for him.

However, Premier League debutants Brentford immediately adapted well to this new world and have finished 13th and ninth in their two campaigns. After beating Arsenal in the Friday night season opener, they bagged nine points and three clean sheets in their first six, with Ethan Pinnock on 36 points and Ivan Toney off the mark thanks to two goals and two assists.

2020/21

LEEDS UNITED (1st)WEST BROM (2nd)FULHAM (4th)
1v Liverpool (A)3-4 lossv Leicester (H)0-3 lossv Arsenal (H)0-3 loss
2v Fulham (H)4-3 winv Everton (A)2-5 lossv Leeds (A)3-4 loss
3v Sheff Utd (A)1-0 winv Chelsea (H)3-3 drawv Aston Villa (H)0-3 loss
4v Man City (H)1-1 drawv Southampton (A)0-2 lossv Wolves (A)0-1 loss
5v Wolves (H)0-1 lossv Burnley (H)0-0 drawv Sheff United (A)1-1 draw
6v Aston Villa (A)3-0 winv Brighton (A)1-1 drawv Crystal Palace (H)1-2 loss
Expected goals (xG)9.10 (5th)2.71 (20th)6.06 (16th)
Expected goals conceded (xGC)8.99 (16th)10.23 (19th)11.66 (20th)

Meanwhile, this September-starting season also saw two of the trio go straight back down. Fulham failed to deliver a win or clean sheet early on, as both themselves and West Bromwich Albion joined Liverpool in conceding a league-high 14 goals.

Mitrovic netted twice in a 4-3 loss at Leeds United, as West Brom’s Matheus Pereira racked up the first of his five double-digit hauls.

But the stars were from Marcelo Bielsa’s men, who started as they meant to go on by being on both sides of seven-goal thrillers in the opening fortnight. Although Stuart Dallas hadn’t yet exploded and Raphinha wasn’t around for the first few, it quickly became clear that £5.5m forward Patrick Bamford was going to be a bargain. He scored six times during this period, ending with 28 goal involvements and 194 points.

2019/20

NORWICH (1st)SHEFF UNITED (2nd)ASTON VILLA (5th)
1v Liverpool (A)1-4 lossv Bournemouth (A)1-1 drawv Tottenham (A)1-3 loss
2v Newcastle (H)3-1 winv Crystal Palace (H)1-0 winv Bournemouth (H)1-2 loss
3v Chelsea (H)2-3 lossv Leicester (H)1-2 lossv Everton (H)2-0 win
4v West Ham (A)0-2 lossv Chelsea (A)2-2 drawv Crystal Palace (A)0-1 loss
5v Man City (H)3-2 winv Southampton (H)0-1 lossv West Ham (H)0-0 draw
6v Burnley (A)0-2 lossv Everton (A)2-0 winv Arsenal (A)2-3 loss
Expected goals (xG)7.39 (12th)7.32 (14th)6.95 (17th)
Expected goals conceded (xGC)10.65 (17th)9.86 (15th)7.19 (8th)

An even more iconic bargain came from 2019/20’s promoted batch. John Lundstram was priced as a £4.0m FPL defender despite playing in central midfield, with a goal, assist, two clean sheets and 34 points locked in by Gameweek 6. Soon after, the Sheffield United asset recorded a 21-point return against Burnley and helped the Blades’ superb defence secure a ninth-placed finish.

Aston Villa also picked up two early clean sheets, although Jack Grealish started quietly. In fact, it was Norwich City who provided bargain attackers to FPL managers.

They were scoring and conceding plenty, as £6.5m Teemu Pukki and £4.5m Todd Cantwell accumulated eight goals and four assists in this spell.

2018/19

WOLVES (1st)CARDIFF CITY (2nd)FULHAM (3rd)
1v Everton (H)2-2 drawv Bournemouth (A)0-2 lossv Crystal Palace (H)0-2 loss
2v Leicester (A)0-2 lossv Newcastle (H)0-0 drawv Tottenham (A)1-3 loss
3v Man City (H)1-1 drawv Huddersfield (A)0-0 drawv Burnley (H)4-2 win
4v West Ham (A)1-0 winv Arsenal (H)2-3 lossv Brighton (A)2-2 draw
5v Burnley (H)1-0 winv Chelsea (A)1-4 lossv Man City (A)0-3 loss
6v Man United (A)1-1 drawv Man City (H)0-5 lossv Watford (H)1-1 draw
Expected goals (xG)8.05 (9th)5.27 (18th)7.32 (12th)
Expected goals conceded (xGC)4.79 (3rd)10.88 (18th)14.48 (20th)

Yet neither Sheffield United, Leeds nor Fulham bettered the campaign of Wolverhampton Wanderers. Armed with Raul Jimenez, Matt Doherty, Diogo Jota and Ruben Neves, they only lost one of their first six matches – aided by two clean sheets – and went on to finish seventh. The other two were relegated.

As with Bournemouth’s 2022/23 start, Cardiff City conceded the most often despite two successful shut-outs. Behind their defence was stopper Neil Etheridge and his 16-point return versus Newcastle United in Gameweek 2.

Then, once again, goals came in for Fulham’s Mitrovic. This time it was on five early occasions, netting four inside the first three.


LOOKING AHEAD

Only once in Premier League history have all three promoted sides instantly been relegated – 1997/98 – and the recent pattern seems to be that one of them will have a comfortable mid-table season.

It’s hard to confidently say which of Burnley, Sheffield United or Luton will do so this time.

Vincent Kompany’s side boasted the Championship’s best defence and have attacking full-backs in Connor Roberts and – if he arrives permanently from Chelsea – Ian Maatsen. Top scorer Nathan Tella was also only there on loan but Manuel Benson, Jay Rodriguez and Anass Zaroury also piled up the returns.

Elsewhere, the Blades use the same 3-5-2 formation as they did in their brilliant 2019/20 campaign, with Anel Ahmedhodzic and Iliman Ndiaye standing out as options with potential. Luton’s current squad has barely any Premier League experience but both Alfie Doughty and Carlton Morris could prove to be handy names depending on their initial prices.

The key for FPL managers is to closely observe pre-season and be ready to pounce on any emerging Lundstrams, Bamfords and Dohertys.

In terms of general trends, a dozen of the last 15 promoted clubs (80%) have been ranked 13th or below for xGC in the first six Gameweeks. Seven of them have been inside the bottom three.

As for xG, there’s a similar record of 12 of the 15 most-recent promoted sides ranking 12th or below for xG – but only four have been in the ‘relegation zone’ for that stat.

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226 Comments Post a Comment
  1. I Member
    • 8 Years
    8 months, 7 days ago

    Arsenal in for Timber. Kills Ben White as an option you would think.

    1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 3 Years
      8 months, 7 days ago

      White had a great season
      No reason to think he'd be cast aside

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        8 months, 7 days ago

        They're also trying for Cancelo on the left. Can't see them going for both.

      2. I Member
        • 8 Years
        8 months, 7 days ago

        Not necessary cast aside, but much more of a rotation risk. If they pay 50m for Timber he's going to get starts.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          8 months, 7 days ago

          Is he right-back only, or does he play CB like White? Strong cover for Saliba is needed as his injury was possibly the biggest contribution to their late-season bottling.

          1. MC D
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Timber is quite versatile and can cover both RB and CB like White. I'll say he is far better and more aggressive as a passer from the back than White too. Adding him will give a solid complement of 4 options (Saliba, Timber, White and Tomiyasu) for the two right-sided positions in ARS's defence, mitigating the risks of one serious injury disproportionately affecting their campaign.

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Nice. So with Zinky covering Cancelo, there's just a gap covering Gabriel, but maybe Saliba + Timber/White could stand in.

                1. MC D
                    8 months, 7 days ago

                    I'd say Kiwior is a solid backup for Gabriel. If Cancelo does sign, it seems like the backline will indeed have two strong options for each position on paper. But just from a balance of profiles perspective, I'd prefer ARS keep Tierney rather than sign Cancelo, moreso if they sign Timber.

                    1. Andy_Social
                      • 11 Years
                      8 months, 7 days ago

                      Would be strength in depth there. Key issue is can they do all this in one transfer window or is this a project into 2024/5.
                      We're talking Rice, Havertz, Lavia, Cancelo and Timber with any big-money outgoings.

                      1. Andy_Social
                        • 11 Years
                        8 months, 7 days ago

                        *without

                      2. MC D
                          8 months, 7 days ago

                          My thoughts, too! ARS have been smart and not over-stretched themselves in recent windows. I can reasonably see them getting three of these signings through this summer.

        2. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          8 months, 7 days ago

          I hope Saka's superb hat-trick doesn't persuade FPL Towers to nudge his price up another 0.5m.

          1. noquarternt
            • 8 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            I reckon they'll under-price all players by 1.5m to 2m again like last season unfortunately.

            1. Arteta
              • 8 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              I think Saka is going to cost £9.0m, and therefore he has a place in my team.

              1. TheBiffas
                • 3 Years
                8 months, 6 days ago

                He should be at least 10m imo

          2. Zimo
            • 5 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            Marti Ode 9 and Saka 9.5 I reckon

            1. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Should be Saka 9.0 and Ode/Marti 8.5 but I think Saka will be pushed up to 9.5

              1. Zimo
                • 5 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                They were some of the highest scoring players. Why would they remain 8m mids.

          3. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
            • 14 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            Why don't you want that ? Surely the harder it is to get a good team together the better for FPL?

        3. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
          • 7 Years
          8 months, 7 days ago

          Arsenal’s defensive squad depth could be very strong if Timber is signed, ready that Tierney is keen to fight for his place too:

          White/Tomiyasu
          Saliba/Timber
          Gabriel/Kiwior
          Zinchenko/Tierney

          1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
            • 7 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            *read

          2. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            8 months, 6 days ago

            Yeah, looking pretty good

            Rice Partey
            Gabriel Saliba White
            Ramsdale

            Zinchenko Jorginho
            Tierney Kiwior Timber Tomiyasu
            Turner

            With Hein and Elneny spare, and the possibility of Gundogan and/or Lavia (or another player) if Partey leaves.

            I like Tierney but it's a bit of a shame he's might not leave as I don't think he's entirely happy at Arsenal and we'd have got a good fee, most likely.

            I guess I wouldn't be so psyched if Gundo rejected Barca to come to Arsenal though (because why!?). Better if Barca don't want/need him anymore. Though I understand that Arteta can be quite persuasive!

            If Holding goes, we still need another body in the defensive 5 I think, given the extra fixtures we need to take seriously this year. Oh no, I've become a "we" supporter.

        4. Arteta
          • 8 Years
          8 months, 7 days ago

          Rice, Havertz and Timber?! This will be a fantastic transfer window, if the deals go through.

          1. x.jim.x
            • 9 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            Not really an upgrade on what you had last season though, assuming they’re to replace Xhaka, Partey and Holding.

            1. OPTA FPL
              • 12 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Agree

            2. Arteta
              • 8 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              I could write an essay to prove you wrong, but it would be a total waste of time if this is your genuine opinion.

              1. x.jim.x
                • 9 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Havertz is an absolute nothing football and playing him as an 8 is going to end in tears. Rice is not an out-and-out 6, so if you’re playing them 2 next to Odegaard, you’re going to be ripped apart.

                Timber is a good signing but he doesn’t get in front of Saliba.

                1. Arteta
                  • 8 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  We'll see.

            3. The Mentaculus
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 2 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Arteta posted some pretty interesting links about Havertz the other day that are worth a read. I'm still not totally convinced, but more open-minded. Partey was really poor towards the end; Rice looks a clear upgrade to me. And Holding is just not good enough for this level really

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                I had thought in terms of Rice and Lavia being upgrades on Xhaka and Partey, but the video I linked shows how a tactical tweak which brings in only Havertz and Rice strengthens the first XI. Any defensive reinforcements would add depth.

                1. Arteta
                  • 8 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  Lavia is apparently the next target, which I like. He has a bright future ahead of him.

          2. OPTA FPL
            • 12 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            Havertz rubbish signing consider his price, new pepe

            1. Arteta
              • 8 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night. 😀

          3. George Sillett
            • 8 Years
            8 months, 7 days ago

            Rice & Timber would be big upgrades. Jury out on Havertz . So often flatters to deceive even when played in his correct position

            1. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              I refer you to the YouTube above - it's entitled 'Why Mikel Arteta wants Kai Havertz'

              1. George Sillett
                • 8 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                I remain unconvinced

            2. Arteta
              • 8 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Chelsea were a mess for a while, and there has been zero stability at the club lately. It resulted in underperformance by the whole squad and one of the worst seasons they've ever had. He worked with three different managers in three years, who all had different game plans, systems, and ideas. It's not easy to work in this kind of environment, let alone be the best version of yourself.

              It's baffling that people act like he can't improve or fulfill his potential elsewhere. Kai was one of the most wanted wonderkids three years ago, and I was hoping that he'd join us back then. Arteta will give him a chance to prove himself in different positions, and if he wakes up the monster from Leverkusen's days, we've hit the jackpot. 

              Chelsea are asking for a fair price in today's market. Havertz has two years left on his contract and just turned 24. In my opinion, they may be making a mistake because they are not giving Pochettino even a chance to start working with him. But one man's loss is another man's gain. I think a lot of people will be proven wrong here.

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                I wonder how the totally unexpected and undeserved golden trash can of Saudi Arabia will affect Chelsea's selling policy this summer. Will Boehly conclude that with getting ridiculous wages off the books with the wave of an oily wand, he can try to extort unjustified fees for the likes of Havertz and Mount and end up not moving either on, or will he feel that with no FFP pressure, he can afford to be more flexible in negotiations?

                1. Arteta
                  • 8 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  I expect them to sign a few good players and splash the cash again. They are about to sell most of their deadwood, so they have to replace them. July will be crazy.

              2. x.jim.x
                • 9 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Chelsea literally won the Champions League, they’ve not been a complete mess for his whole stint.

                He’s scored fewer than 20 league goals (including pens) in 3 years despite playing as a 9 for a top club.

                He’s got the same scoring rate as Martial, who’s got half the appearances, and struggled with constant injuries and the same “instability” you bring up about Chelsea.

                Would you be happy with buying him for £80m?

                1. Arteta
                  • 8 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  For the most part, they were struggling in the league, and I remember that they were somewhat lucky to finish 3rd and 4th in the past seasons. I don't know how they've beaten Real and City, nor do I care. They've won, and that's all that matters in the end.

                  Is your only criterion "goals" when you're assessing a player and his career at the club? What about other factors and reasons why it didn't work out like they expected it to?

                  And have you forgotten that Chelsea signed a certain CF for €115 million to play this exact role for at least a few years? Look at all the attackers they've bought; come back to me and say again that Havertz was a problem.

                  Havertz was never really a striker; he just played there, so you should stay realistic and not expect Haaland's numbers. I never said he'd done enough to justify the price tag just because he scored in the CL final, but his market value can't fall as quickly as you'd think. To be fair, I don't have the time, energy, or will to follow Chelsea, watch their games, or know their stats. But from what I've seen, they obviously didn't make the most of their time together, and his progress stagnated for different reasons. Who is to blame? Not my problem.

                  All I care about is trying to understand the whole situation of a player and how he can fit in at my club, what his strengths and weaknesses are, the pros and cons of a deal, etc. I would pay an estimated £60 million if reliable journalists were reporting, and that's it. There's no need to overspend if the deal can be reached at a lower price.

                  1. x.jim.x
                    • 9 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    Judging a £75m attacker on his attacking stats is perfectly normal, especially when he’s being outperformed by his peers. He can’t score, create, pass, tackle or press - he is a nothing footballer.

                    1. Arteta
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Even if he was "a nothing footballer" at this point, he could potentially improve and get better. Don't you think so? Life doesn't stop when you're 24.

                      I'm ending the debate with these thoughts. Let's agree to disagree and move on. I can't deal with a glass half-full type of person today.

                      1. Arteta
                        • 8 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Pardon me, I meant half-empty.

                    2. Deulofail
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      He is good at passing and pressing (and tackling in the air - aerial duels). And I very much doubt Arsenal will pay 75m, but he does seem a bit expensive. You comments for days have been about Havertz' scoring record at Chelsea. Seems like you're just guessing at the other stats now.

                2. Arteta
                  • 8 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  Nkunku did his medical under Tuchel in the summer, signed a pre-agreement with Chelsea under Potter, and joined to play under Pochettino.

                  This is the definition of INSTABILITY.

          4. Sure You Did
              8 months, 6 days ago

              2 very average players in that lot.

              1. Arteta
                • 8 Years
                8 months, 6 days ago

                Are you sure there are not 3?

                1. Sure You Did
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    I rate Timber tbh.

                    1. Arteta
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      So do I. 🙂

            • The Knights Template
              • 10 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              When it is launched Saudi Fantasy Football (SFF) is really going to put the cat amongst the pigeons!

              1. NZREDS
                • 10 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Neves going straight in for me if he’s reasonably priced!

                1. The Knights Template
                  • 10 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  Neves again!

            • OPTA FPL
              • 12 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Odegaard over Sâm for me

              1. OPTA FPL
                • 12 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Saka

                1. Andy_Social
                  • 11 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  both

            • Tor Total Football
              • 2 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              Will FPL class Trent as a midfielder next season?

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                no

              2. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                • 14 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Hopefully but they won't do it

              3. OPTA FPL
                • 12 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Price prediction, 6.5 or 7?

                1. Tor Total Football
                  • 2 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  as a midfielder? or defender?

                2. Andy_Social
                  • 11 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  Stay at 7.5m

              4. I Member
                • 8 Years
                8 months, 6 days ago

                7.5 defender again.

            • Zimo
              • 5 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              What do we think Nkunkus price and position will be considering how bad Chelsea were last season and overall low prices last year for underperforming teams

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                Not sure if he'll be a MID or a FWD - prob the latter if there's no Lukaku or Havertz at the time of publishing prices. Maybe a decent 8.5, if Sterling is 9.0.

                1. The Knights Template
                  • 10 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  I owned Sterling when he was 4.5m. I won't ever be owning him again, unless he's 4.5m.

                2. Zimo
                  • 5 Years
                  8 months, 7 days ago

                  Makes no sense to price them at that since you're predicting the same for Arsenal players. Arsenal players will have to be 10m then.

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 11 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    Fair point. FPL Towers keep getting caught in a trap. A "Top 6" club has one bad season and their players are priced very low (e.g. Arsenal and United this last season). They ought to rein back on that and price Chelsea players lower, but not that much lower than last season. If they replicate the habit of last season, Sterling and Nkunku will be 6.5, like Rashford was.

                  2. Now I'm Panicking
                    • 9 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    Arsenal are 9/1 to win the league, Chelsea are 20/1 - I would hope that is reflected in the pricing.

                    1. The Knights Template
                      • 10 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Spurs 41/1. Thanks Big Ange, easy money!

            • DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
              • 2 Years
              8 months, 7 days ago

              I’m actually warming to the idea of signing Havertz.

              Him and Odegaard in midfield could create and score a lot.

              Both young but with loads of experience.

              Need to get Rice done though

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                8 months, 7 days ago

                He wouldn't be good as an fpl asset, but if Arteta's plan works, he'd enhance Odegaard, Saka and Martinelli's prospects even further.

              2. George Sillett
                • 8 Years
                8 months, 6 days ago

                Rather mystifying as you previously described him as useless during this last season.

                1. x.jim.x
                  • 9 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  Stockholm syndrome

                2. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                  • 2 Years
                  8 months, 6 days ago

                  Show me with a link or I’ll have to file this in with your other lies.

                  The filing cabinet is fit for bursting soon.

                  1. Sure You Did
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      You posted 2 comments in the past 4 weeks saying no to Havertz and now you want him (just look at your own comments). I also remember you slagging him off constantly as part of your Chelsea diatribe. Slouch is right, you are a lying bore.

                      1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                        • 2 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Show me links.

                        You’re too much of a coward to say who you support and known to be the worst poster on FFS.

                        Absolute bell

                        1. Sure You Did
                            8 months, 6 days ago

                            Just go through hour last 4 weeks comments that everyone has access to. I can't be bothered or know how to link them but they are there. As for you last season comments, I remember them, but won't have been retained in your history due to their deletion from peoples history. You are a lying bore, and a clown as well.

                            1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                              • 2 Years
                              8 months, 6 days ago

                              Couldn’t find it then. Make sure you keep the receipts next time you call someone a liar.

                              Unlucky pal

                              1. Sure You Did
                                  8 months, 6 days ago

                                  Do you understand how comments work on here and how long they are retained for? Do you have English comprehension skills? 2 of your comments below within the last 4 weeks (comments retention period) saying no to Havertz. As for last seasons comments, please read my previous comment to gain a semblance of understanding. Also, I am not your 'pal'. I am not pals with uneducated clowns.

                                  https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2023/06/16/guess-the-fpl-prices-for-2023-24-and-win-a-premium-membership/?hc_page=1&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_25915544

                                  https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2023/06/12/fpl-new-transfers-what-can-we-expect-from-brightons-joao-pedro/?hc_page=1&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_25914677

                                  1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                                    • 2 Years
                                    8 months, 6 days ago

                                    That’s why I said I’m warming up to the idea. Having done a bit more research.

                                    You said I slagged him off, but you can’t find that. More lies from the worst poster on FFS.

                                    1. The Mentaculus
                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                      • Has Moderation Rights
                                      • 2 Years
                                      8 months, 6 days ago

                                      You don't have to engage with him Dave. I can't recall a single idea/opinion posted by Sure You Did except to smugly dismiss others. Its pure snide trolling, without even a hint of humour (get yourself back to troll school! Or at least take some lessons from Redro/FPLenjoyer), and I totally agree he's the worst poster here - would be annoying if he was actually any good at trolling, but as it is, just dull AF.

                                      1. Deulofail
                                        • 8 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        I am also a member of the Redro appreciation society

                                      2. TheBiffas
                                        • 3 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Rainer deserves a shout-out in the 'entertaining trolls' department

                                      3. The Mentaculus
                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                        • Has Moderation Rights
                                        • 2 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Funny for sure but I'm not sure he's ironically playing a character to quite the same degree as Redro

                              2. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
                                • 3 Years
                                8 months, 6 days ago

                                He said: 'I am warming to the idea of signing Havertz' meaning his mind is changing and your comment about his past comments prove his point, not yours.

                                1. Andy_Social
                                  • 11 Years
                                  8 months, 6 days ago

                                  I'm happy to state that after watching a few YouTube videos and reading blogs on the matter of Havertz to Arsenal, I've shifted to assuming Arteta knows what he's doing.

                                  1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                                    • 2 Years
                                    8 months, 6 days ago

                                    He’s just been used badly at Chelsea. They’ve been a mess for years

                                    1. x.jim.x
                                      • 9 Years
                                      8 months, 6 days ago

                                      Name one starter who’s left Chelsea in the last 3 years and gone on to drastically improve

                                      1. Andy_Social
                                        • 11 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Tammy and Tomori did well initially.

                                      2. Haa-lala-land
                                        • 3 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Gallagher did well at Palace, but I guess he wasnt a starter

                                      3. Haa-lala-land
                                        • 3 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Rudiger?

                                      4. x.jim.x
                                        • 9 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        He was already very good.

                                      5. x.jim.x
                                        • 9 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        Wouldn’t say Tammy has drastically improved and Tomori was never a starter.

                        2. George Sillett
                          • 8 Years
                          8 months, 6 days ago

                          .Unfortunately I don't have the precise time and date for this one but you also called him a massive waste of money .
                          As I have said previously the real issue with compulsive liars like yourself is that they actually believe the lies they are telling. So some on then Slackwillie do something that you have never managed to achieve in the past and back up your liar allegation with specific times , dates and quotes . When you have asked me to do this regarding yourself I have many times in the past backed up accusations with a massive list of your untruths and your specific quotes.
                          Guaranteed you won't be able to produce anything from me as that is impossible when it doesn't exist.
                          Don't worry your mantle as the biggest liar on FFS remains totally intact and you will never lose it.

                          1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                            • 2 Years
                            8 months, 6 days ago

                            I’m not sure I can argue with somebody who starts a sentence with a full stop.

                            Did you go to school? Or was it so long ago you’ve forgotten basic English?

                            You said I’ve described him as useless. Have you got any receipts for this? If not you’re just throwing out garbage again.

                            1. George Sillett
                              • 8 Years
                              8 months, 6 days ago

                              Grammar horror - finger slip inserts full stop . You utter clown .
                              With direct reference to the remainder of my comment I ask again , where is your proof or are you going to divert the argument as you normally attempt to do with some more of your hideous lying bile ?
                              NB . We both know that what I have have said is 100% correct but conveniently for you on this unique occasion I don't have the time and date recorded . Unfortunately for you regarding your other previous torrent of lies I have reproduced your exact words on here for all to see many times.
                              Your crown of the biggest lying hideous scum bag on FFS remains untarnished.

                              1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                                • 2 Years
                                8 months, 6 days ago

                                You can’t find the quote where I called Havertz useless so you resort to name calling.

                                You’ve said stuff about my family in the past and now you call me scum and a lot more.

                                A man of your age should know better and you should be banned on here no doubt. Reread your angry rude posts and have a good long think about your behavior.

                                1. George Sillett
                                  • 8 Years
                                  8 months, 6 days ago

                                  Pot & kettle.
                                  Let me just correct you
                                  "You've said stuff about my family "
                                  My exact words were
                                  "Your daughter will be hugely embarrassed when she discovers what a liar you are"
                                  (You once made a comment regarding my wife way previous to my comment but no doubt you conveniently have selective amnesia regarding this).
                                  Obviously this is a comment about your behaviour , not your family so you're wrong again
                                  Of course you've never called me anything at all have you Saint Slackwillie ?
                                  What utter hypocrisy.

                                  1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                                    • 2 Years
                                    8 months, 6 days ago

                                    You can’t give away any little bit of personal information on here or people like you will use to against you and say the meanest things.

                                    Unless you have a receipt for me saying stuff about your “wife” I think you should retract that too.

                                    Two wrongs don’t make a right and don’t tar me with your brush.

                                    1. George Sillett
                                      • 8 Years
                                      8 months, 6 days ago

                                      No retraction retraction required both you and I know what you said . You and moral high ground are utterly incompatible. You are getting desperate now by attempting to throw back at me things I originally said about yourself. You are the proven liar after all.

                                      1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                                        • 2 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        How was that proven? Show links.

                                      2. George Sillett
                                        • 8 Years
                                        8 months, 6 days ago

                                        You've been shown on multiple occasions previously of which you are fully aware.

                  2. Pepeye
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 3 Years
                    8 months, 7 days ago

                    Nkunku is a briliant signing for Chelsea at roughly the same price as Haaland

                    1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                      • 2 Years
                      8 months, 7 days ago

                      Haalands real fee wasn’t that low.

                      They also paid 10s of millions to the agent and his wages are astronomical and not the £375k as reported.

                      City are cheating FFP again.

                      1. Santi sensei
                        • 10 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        can't beleive many ppl are actually buying into that reported fee. we* know what the real fees were like.

                  3. Pepeye
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 3 Years
                    8 months, 7 days ago

                    Agree with Knights T, City sold Chelsea a Pup with Sterling who currently is out of favour at both Chelsea and England

                    1. Andy_Social
                      • 11 Years
                      8 months, 7 days ago

                      If Poch gets a tune out of Mudryk and Nkunku, Sterling will be about as useful as Pulisic.

                      1. x.jim.x
                        • 9 Years
                        8 months, 7 days ago

                        Fun fact: Pulisic has more goals and more assists in the league than Havertz, despite fewer minutes and starts, whilst playing on the wing.

                  4. Eze Really?
                    • 9 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    Maybe ManU will be a feeder team to the Saudi league (smile)
                    The lack of effort in controlling sports washing will force the Euro super league once again.
                    An irony the powers that be are allowing it to as to stop it and they are indirectly encouraging it.

                    1. x.jim.x
                      • 9 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      I don’t think you understand sportswashing if you think oil states would risk upsetting fans with something as daft as the Super League.

                      1. Eze Really?
                        • 9 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        I think you misunderstand me.
                        The Super league will rear its ugly head if teams cannot compete fairly.
                        It has never been the fans' choice for sure but if the EPL and other leagues start to devalue problems will occur.
                        The football world is getting distorted by the day.

                        1. x.jim.x
                          • 9 Years
                          8 months, 6 days ago

                          The Super League has even less chance of happening now with United (likely) being bought by Qatar. Liverpool will be next.

                          Sportswashing is all about PR, not money, so without the PL clubs, German teams and PSG, it’s a crap product that won’t see daylight.

                          1. Deulofail
                            • 8 Years
                            8 months, 6 days ago

                            The idea is that the Super League would ultimately be good PR for oil states 10 years down the line when their teams are playing in it. It gives them a seat at the table for the most watched THING in the world. There's much more (soft) political power in that than in broadcasting the Saudi League, which will always be just a Saudi League.

                            The Super League would be controversial but would be needed to save European football (and the poorer smaller clubs who can't afford to compete) from legitimate and fair competition from outside Europe for their players and staff. It's a more covert way of buying yourself into sports, like what happened in golf.

                            I think you're being a bit naive to think the end goal of the Saudi League is just the Saudi League. It doesn't seem particularly powerful sport-swashing to me unless people actually watch it. Rather, the money they are spending now is an existential threat to football and football teams in the rest of the word. And that fact is probably part of the strategy.

                            1. Deulofail
                              • 8 Years
                              8 months, 6 days ago

                              Premier League teams are unlikely to do much to oppose this since deals for players will still be beneficial to them, and ultimately, for owners of top European clubs, a Super League would also be beneficial financially anyway (as we already know, they want it). You could see it as a train crash that everyone involved wants to happen.

                              1. Deulofail
                                • 8 Years
                                8 months, 6 days ago

                                Although, I'm not political expert, I would have thought the main friction comes from the involvement of oil states who are themselves in conflict and competition.

                          2. Deulofail
                            • 8 Years
                            8 months, 6 days ago

                            And also, yeah, sportswashing isn't about money, but the sports is. And oil is a non-renewable resource, after all, unlike sportsing.

                    2. Andy_Social
                      • 11 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Or a feeder to the Qatari league? Mind you, their racist player yesterday probably set back that cause. Rashford won't be in a hurry to go.

                      1. Eze Really?
                        • 9 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        If you look at my grav, I have no excuses for what happened at Everton and Liverpool who seem to play by the rules it terms of funding are being pushed aside.

                  5. Botman and Robben
                    • 7 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    The real Drogba replacement...

                    1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
                      • 2 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Nkunku and Drogba are completely different players

                    2. TheBiffas
                      • 3 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Nah. Drogba was a bagsman.

                  6. I Member
                    • 8 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    Most of us will be looking to start with two Arsenal attackers given their opening fixtures and how good they were last season. What do you think they'll be priced at and who would you go for?

                    Saka 9.0
                    Odegaard 8.5
                    Martinelli 8.5
                    Jesus 8.5

                    That's my guess but wouldn't be surprised they're all 0.5 higher.

                    1. The Mentaculus
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 2 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Looking at Saka & Martinelli double up. At those prices I think I'd go for it.

                    2. Andy_Social
                      • 11 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      I'd agree with that - Saka poss 9.5. I'm aiming for Saka, Ode and a 5.5 defender. I can do it as I'll be on one premium (guess who).

                      1. I Member
                        • 8 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Yep I also think just Haaland is the way to go. Rather get two Arsenal attackers, Rashford and a good defence than blow the rest of the budget on Kane or Salah.

                        1. Andy_Social
                          • 11 Years
                          8 months, 6 days ago

                          I'm planning on a cheap defence. The 5.5 will be the prime one, then 5/4.5 fillers. That was I should get Haaland, Saka, Odegaard AND Rashford.

                          1. I Member
                            • 8 Years
                            8 months, 6 days ago

                            You should be able to afford TAA along with Haaland, Saka, Odegaard and Rashford imo.

                            1. Andy_Social
                              • 11 Years
                              8 months, 6 days ago

                              Could, but am aiming for Grealish in that price bracket. I've costed my draft with LiveFPL. 3m over on FPLTeam though, so we'll see.

                    3. TheBiffas
                      • 3 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Saka and Martinelli for me but I hope the prices are higher than that to force some more difficult decisions

                    4. Deulofail
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      Can't wait for an ESR purple patch. But may have to wait the whole season again

                    5. I Member
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      No one fancy Jesus? What I like about him as a forward is that you can have him + a 4.5m midfielder who actually plays whereas the 4.5m forwards rarely do.

                      1. TheBiffas
                        • 3 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        We were spoilt with Andreas last season. The best we can expect from 4.5 mids is reliable 2/3 pointers, compared to 0/1pt cameos from the forwards.

                      2. The Mentaculus
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • Has Moderation Rights
                        • 2 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Not really, except that he enhances Martinelli as an FPL asset. The 3 mids are all way above Jesus for me. Will just see how the forward bracket looks closer to the time; don't mind playing 451 although 352 would be ideal

                      3. Deulofail
                        • 8 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Yeah but that an even deeper level of hypothetically. Pointless enough speculating about prices and fantasising about planning around them, then fantasising about getting Jesus because you don't have other forwards you want and there's a 4.5 mid you want, is like 5 steps further than one step too far 😀

                      4. Andy_Social
                        • 11 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Not for me, hence 2xArsenal midfielders. Watkins and Mbeumo look like viable starters.

                    6. Arteta
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 6 days ago

                      I'm honestly expecting something like Odegaard £9.0m, Saka £9.0m, Martinelli £8.5m, Jesus £8.5m and Trossard £8.0m.

                      1. I Member
                        • 8 Years
                        8 months, 6 days ago

                        Way too high for Trossard no? I guess they can't have him too low in case Martinelli gets injured but 8m seems like a lot for a player who isn't a regular starter.

                      2. Supersonic_
                        • 2 Years
                        8 months, 20 hours ago

                        Ode, Saka, Marti and Jesus Yes.

                        Expecting Tross to be about 7.5 tops

                  7. Paqueta Rice
                    • 3 Years
                    8 months, 6 days ago

                    United need to get the finger out (and the owners) now. It needs to be resolved at the start of the window and not the end of the summer just before the season begins. Absolute radio silence on potential transfer bar Mount and random rumours with no concrete sources. I would be very concerned for us next season otherwise. Top 4 will be a big struggle with Liverpool and Chelsea not having CL and starting to strength already.

                    1. Andy_Social
                      • 11 Years
                      8 months, 19 hours ago

                      It seemed like that Kim was nailed on and would be a superb acquisition, but now that's gone cold. Is everything on hold until new owners are confirmed? It does look like there'll be another deadline day panic.

                  8. Supersonic_
                    • 2 Years
                    8 months, 20 hours ago

                    I'm already gearing up for Foden 1 pter in the first few gameweeks...

                    1. I Member
                      • 8 Years
                      8 months, 20 hours ago

                      I told myself I was only going for Haaland from City but if KDB is missing the start of the season with his hamstring injury I just know I'm going to end up starting with Foden (or Alvarez).