FFS Cup

FFS Cups – Results & Second Round Draws

This afternoon we reveal who has made it through to the second round of both our Fantasy Premier League cup competitions.

In our open to all cup, reigning champion A Manager Has No Name saw off Flying Nugget 50-41 despite being more than 30,000 behind him in the overall rankings going into the clash.

The enigmatically-titled victor, who is placed at 30,453, now has himself another tricky tie, against community regular Krul runnings, who is 9,490 places above him.

He wasn’t the only cup winner to progress, with both Mark and I overcoming Sleep Talk and Virus in the mind respectively.

Mark, who is 472nd in the rankings, now faces 7,717-placed Jimmyt281, while I’ve got my work cut out to defeat 76,423-ranked Not Much Klopp, given my lowly 355,537 placing.

Former champions Donnellyc, Gribude and Wild Rover also prevailed. Of this trio, 323,577-placed Donnellyc has arguably the toughest encounter when he squares up to the 7,798-ranked SpartaBhoy.

Meanwhile, 67,661-placed Gribude faces 5,199-ranked Footopia and Wild Rover takes on Kabukkinen, who at 25,793, is 18,154 places ahead of our community’s resident Blackburn fan.

Sadly, we say goodbye to former winner MCH at this stage, who was defeated 49-42 by upthemiddle.

In the first round’s live Hall of Fame top ten derby, Philman, who is 1,071 in the overall standings and seventh in our list of all-time best FPL managers, lost 68-34 to Dronny Imp (aka David Meechan), who is tenth in our elite listings and has moved up to 7,275 in the world.

Legomane, who is 3,755 places behind David, has drawn the short straw to become this top manager’s next opponent.

Another to fall victim to the fixture list is FetchUp, who is placed 8,461 in the world but next faces Hana, who at 52 overall is the competition’s highest-ranked manager.

The full second round draw can be found here.

Meanwhile, in the Members’ Cup former winner Trigg, who is 134,835 in the world, won a close encounter with Bangkok Canary 59-53 and next takes on 56,151-ranked Fenghh.

FFScout Members’ League leader and 34th-placed Billy Ketsu was another victor. After overcoming Emckay, he now encounters Doctor101, who is ranked 56,236.

Other eye-catching ties include Jafooli’s clash with another community regular VS10, while Hana makes it through in this contest as well and takes on FFScout moderator Spencer .

The full second round draw can be found here.

There is £350 in Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk vouchers up for grabs for the final top three managers in both tournaments.

Good luck to all those involved, and if you would like more information on the schedule and prizes simply click this link.

J0E Podcaster and writer. Tweets stats and stuff via @FFScout_Joe Follow them on Twitter

2,057 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Bobby_Baggio
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    I may just do these transfers for -8, thoughts? Aguero + Llorente + Baines > Ibra + Vardy + Davies (-8) crazy but think could pay off.

    Heaton
    Baines - Luiz - Nyom
    Sanchez - Alli - Siggy - Cout
    Aguero - Llorente - Lukaku

    DeRoon - Mawson - Chambers

    1. Legomane
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Davies move is good. I'm thinking about Vardy > Aguero next week - HUL sou, then switching to Ibra for DGW34.

      1. Bobby_Baggio
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I know does feel weird getting rid of aguero

    2. Simon Says...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I've been thinking about Vardy, but feel like the boat has been missed. I'd want him out next week. Baines to Davies, yes. Aguero is getting you points...so hard to ditch.

      1. Bobby_Baggio
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        I know just feel like if Llorente needs to come out but can only afford 8.2m but with other transfers i can fit Ibra and Vardy

    3. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      -8 feels a bit excessive

  2. Gnu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    What a strange weekend in my FFS H2Hs.
    In LaWR I drew with Greendreams but also in the 'Wigan to me...' league I drew with Bedknobs & Broomsticks.
    Seemed bizarre to me as draws are so rare.

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Sign of luck to come perhaps?

      1. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Hope so...

    2. Lawrø
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I can't help but notice that I'm losing both "Wigan to me...'' and LAWR despite having over 100pts lead over the leaders of both! 😀

      These H2H leagues are a nuisance 😉

      1. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        🙂
        There not everyones cup of tea (no pun intended Doos) but they do add a bit of fun imo.
        You can't win everything this year Lawro. 😉

  3. Duffy Dunk
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Pedro->Sanchez
    or
    Siggy->Sanchez?

    1. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I did Pedro > Sanchez

    2. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Pedro

    3. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Pedro

    4. liiusions
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      The one playing RWB

    5. Simon Says...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Pedro.

    6. Duffy Dunk
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Thank you all
      It's a clear Pedro win (or loss..?)
      🙂

    7. Runaway
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Pedro

  4. Legomane
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Mané > Sanchez leaves me 2.6 ITB and this team :

    Heaton
    Alonso Valencia Davies Pieters
    Sanchez Alli Eriksen Sigurdsson
    Vardy Lukaku

    (Pickford Llorente TCarroll ASmith)

    Worried about no pool cover next week. Main ML rival has Couts...
    Are either Siggy > Cout (to block) or Llorente > Origi worth a (-4)?
    My plan is to take out Siggy & Vardy next week for Sane & Aguero.

    1. Legomane
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I still have WC in hand for GW35 / 36 so any other short term options would be gladly considered. Cheers.

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Not worth a hit imo.

    3. Balance
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Not worth a hit for me too

    4. Legomane
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Cheers guys

  5. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Is there a link to the non members cup??

    1. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Link is in the article....

      1. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks, I must have clicked the members accidentally

    2. barracuda
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Is there such a thing too?

  6. barracuda
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Can anybody tell how can I qualify for this FFS cup next season please?

    1. liiusions
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      There was a post a couple of week ago where you just had to enter your ID

      1. barracuda
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Oh well, I think I need to get a good glasses. Thank you

  7. white lightning
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    This is probably a dumb question but with this gw falling mid week & daylight saving ending in NZ I'm confused so I have 1 question:

    lockout for uk is 04/04/17 6.45pm
    what date & time is that in nz.

    Thanks.

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Google the time difference.

    2. liiusions
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      It's 14:00 in the UK right now, so work it from that

    3. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      lol NZ is 12 hours ahead ok UK right now

  8. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone looking at vardy over lukaku?

  9. Simon Says...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Hello fine fantasy fellows, would you do Costa to Ibra for a -4?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Yes

    2. WVA
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Nope

    3. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Nope

    4. liiusions
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      I probably would but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea 😆

  10. liiusions
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Bench one:
    A) Siggy (TOT)
    B) Carroll (ars)
    C) Zaha (sou)
    D) Lukaku (mun)

    Cheers

    1. tattywelshie
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      C

    2. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      Difficult. Probably C for me, but I guess you brought him in because you believe in him, and if you don't play him now, when will you? On that basis, probably A for you

      1. liiusions
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Was the only other mid I wanted that I didn't already have after Mane's injury and helped fund Ibra. Also good for the DGW in a few week. Cheers

    3. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      A/D

    4. We Will Klopp you
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      C/D

    5. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 1 month ago

      C

  11. Sebbo29
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 1 month ago

    Thought I'd never go near Tekkers again but thinking of Mane + Llorente to Cout + Tekkers for -4. Worth a shout or any better option for a FWD with max. 8.0?

    1. MTPockets
        7 years, 1 month ago

        2nd goals in about 15 games.

        1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          1 goal in last 1 game though, form.

          1. MTPockets
              7 years, 1 month ago

              That's what people said 15 games ago.

        2. We Will Klopp you
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Don't fall into the trap.

        3. Stats Don\'t Lie
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Just go for gabbi

        4. liiusions
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I wouldn't be transferring any striker under 10m, they're all useless

          1. We Will Klopp you
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Agreed, just go Barnes and play 3-5-2, so many good midfielders ATM.

      • batmaniac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        On the Llorente - Origi decision.
        Origis predicted score on RMT is great.
        Anyone think that sturridge could affect his game time?
        Sturridge is back in training already. Klopp had said derby was too soon for him.

        1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          I don't see why Origi doesn't start. He's better than Bobby all round (Bobby owner)

          1. liiusions
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            He's not even close to being as good as Bobby but Origi will start on the right even if Sturridge is fit

        2. No h in Firmino
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Origi ahead of Sturridge in pecking order if both are fit

          1. batmaniac
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            I agree he Origi will start this gw for sure. Its only 3 days later after that when they play stoke. Sturridge may get his nose in the door then.

      • We Will Klopp you
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 1 month ago

        Who are you captaining and why if possible?

        A) Sanchez
        B) Eriksen's
        C) Alli
        D) Coutinho
        E) Vardy

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          D because I don't have A, C or E, and he could destroy Bournemouth, where Eriksen shan't be the destroyer of Swans this week

        2. MTPockets
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A. Fixture

          • liiusions
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A but I'd be on Vardy if I had him, Alli is also tempting me

          • Stats Don\'t Lie
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A probably

          • LC1
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A because he scored a hattrick last time he played them.

          • Make Arrows Green Again
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Vardy (c), Sanchez (vc)

            1. We Will Klopp you
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Food for thought, will stay on Sanchez but worried about him being on the wing so may go Vardy before tomorrow, but then there's the Pickford factor...

          • gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A he loves them

          • dunas_dog
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A for fixture and Sanchez destroyed West Ham away from home- and I have all of these except D

        3. The Head-Ake
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Someone help me find my name in this thing. Its Head-Ake and yes, I had enrolled

          1. The Head-Ake
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            *The Head-Ake

          2. liiusions
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Ctrl+F and search your rank

            1. The Head-Ake
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Is there a non-members cup?

              1. liiusions
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                There is. It was 80 to qualify in GW29 so that's why you're not in it

              2. ScotDougie
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                I couldn't find mine either I think the both links are same go to menu in top left then hit articles search for the original article and find it through thay

                1. Eddie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  link works http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/cup/12/rounds/2/

                  I think you're trying members link.

                2. Eddie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Ah, see you have it.

          3. Eddie
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            You didn't qualify, cut off was 80 and good rank in GW 29, you got 69. High score for entry.

        4. Federico
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Feel a bit stuck, due to low team value. It's very difficult get Sanchez without selling Aguero, so I think I'll run the risk. Having said that, your thoughts on these options?

          A) Sterling -> Alli
          B) Lukaku -> Ibra
          C) Llorente -> 8.1 (and bench King)

          1 FT, but willing to take a hit.

          1. Holmes
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A

            Whats your TV? Cant be less than mine 😳

            1. Federico
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Squad value £101.9 - In the bank £1.7. I feel that my team isn't properly weighted at the moment, so I think some surgery is needed to free up value.

              Grant - Heaton
              McAuley - Alonso - Amat - Holgate - Valencia
              Sterling - Coutinho - King - Siggy - Tadic
              Llorente - Lukaku - Aguero

        5. barracuda
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Is Lawro here?

          1. Lawrø
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Aye but not for too much longer, what's up? 😀

            1. barracuda
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Hello Lawro, I checked your WC template from early morning hours today.. Are you sure about Valencia and DDG? Isn't it a huge investment for players with such an iffy fixtures? I mean, I appreciate you are closing on 108 above but I just can't justify those two to vindicate that template. Have you thought about what could you do differently regarding them two? Appreciate your input as always.

              1. Lawrø
                • 12 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Yeah that was a very rough template, I wasn't thinking about it too much at the time. You'll be happy to know I've since ditched DDG to allow me to keep Alonso. Valencia is a little risky, I didn't initially go with him, but from my standpoint I have to ask the question - what if I'm wrong? He currently has 45% Top 10k ownership and that's only going to rise... I simply can't risk going without him 😀

                Currently it's this:

                Valdes / Pickford
                Alonso / Valencia / Vertonghen / Yoshida / Holgate

                Also one of my guiding principles is to never trust a word Mourinho says 😉

                1. barracuda
                  • 7 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Thank you. I think that defense and G needs tweaking a bit. Valencia could be a mistake in my opinion but then again I am not top 10, just a bit above... 🙂 Thanks again mate

        6. davies
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Why aren't people sold on Origi?

          Surely a good option if Mane is out and still have WC available... Or is Carroll better?

          1. liiusions
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            If WC is available Origi could be a very good option. Hopefully the goal will have gave him some confidence

            1. davies
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Aye just waiting on some Mane news now... Defoe injury makes things easier

              Thoughts on Origi vs Defoe vs Carroll?

              1. liiusions
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Origi out of them. I have Carroll though and quite happy to keep until WC

          2. Holmes
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Not enough space upfront plus couple of fixtures after Bournemouth are meh, cant see them scoring many goals

          3. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Sturridge may be back at the weekend (or maybe before?). Last time Mane was out they were sharing minutes. I'm still going Origi if Mane confirmed out for a while.

        7. Boomerang V
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 1 month ago

          Hi there,

          I am on -4 because I did

          Mané -> Coutinho
          King->Zaha

          But I still have Llorente to get rid.
          I could play 352 and bench him but I would need to play Siggy but he has a hard game against Spurs and is on poor form lately.

          Heaton
          Alonso/Valencia/Vertonghen
          Sanchez/Alli/Coutinho/Zaha/Siggy
          Lukaku/Vardy(c)

          Jaku / Brunt / Mawson / Llorente

          on -4 / £4.5 itb

          A) Llorente -> Deeney (-8)
          B) Llorente -> Benteke (-8)
          C) Llorente -> Who? (up to £10.9 )
          D) Llorente, Brunt -> Ibra, Holgate (-12)
          E) Keep and play Siggy (352)

          1. MTPockets
              7 years, 1 month ago

              e

          2. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A) Origi this week (-4). One of Llorente/Defoe/Snodgrass/Mawson plays

            B) Gabbi next GW (probably -4). This week, 2 of Llorente/Defoe/Snodgrass/Mawson plays

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              C) Someone else up to 6.9

            2. liiusions
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Defoe may be injured just so you know but I like the Origi punt assuming you have your WC

              1. Deulofail
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Yeah I'm aware. It's a shame. But that's why I included Mawson in my "1/2 of....plays...." bit. Almost certain A is the way. Now I gotta hope Mane is out for a while, sorry Sadio.

            3. Holmes
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              A... Not sure if Gabbi will be fit for next week

          3. RAFA THE GAFFA
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            A. Hennessey+Eriksen

            or

            B. De Gea+Sigurdsson

            1. The Head-Ake
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              A

          4. TAB
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 1 month ago

            Pickford
            Baines Robertson Brunt
            Siggy Sanchez Coutinho Alli
            Llorente Lukaku Costa

            Foster Snodgrass Ake AmaT

            1) Costa-->>Ibrahimovic
            2) Ake-->> Ben Davies
            3) Llorente -->> ????

            0 FT & 1.3 ITB

            Help!

            1. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              2

            2. TAB
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              @ Lawro
              @ MTPOCKETS
              @ Holmes

              1. MTPockets
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Don't know why you're asking me, but I wouldn't do any for a hit. Unless Llorente's still injured.

                  1. TAB
                    • 7 Years
                    7 years, 1 month ago

                    mehh

            3. Oven Glover
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Any news on the Frequent posters cup?

              1. Holmes
                • 10 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Check the article or there is a HT as well

                1. Oven Glover
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Cheers

              2. Gnu
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Nah, you're as good as out. :
                @AngryJohn

            4. Crystal
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              When's the next round of the cup? Is it the midweek gameweek or next weekend?

              1. Oven Glover
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Starts tomorrow

                1. Crystal
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Thanks, the article didn't say and I know for the previous cup they skipped some mid-weeks

              2. Holmes
                • 10 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Has to be mid-week

            5. SpaceCadet
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Best Defoe replacement for 8m? Thinking origi if he is nailed on now for a few gws

              1. dunas_dog
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Agree with that.

            6. Holmes
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Manolo Gabbiadini [groin] has been ruled out of the game against Crystal Palace. #SaintsFC

              1. HVT
                • 13 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                🙁

                Origi so?

            7. davies
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Defoe vs Carroll vs Origi

              Which to go for?

              1. HVT
                • 13 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Origi

              2. dunas_dog
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Defoe possibly out as not in training Moyes said. I would say Origi

              3. No h in Firmino
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Defoe owner here looking to get rid. Origi might be worth a punt if Mane out for more than one game (and particularly if you have wc left to take him back out later)

            8. Ten Season Wonder
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Play Foster or Picky??

            9. No h in Firmino
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              I have the exact funds for Alonso, Lanzini & Defoe > Valencia, Sanchez, Origi (-4). Pull the trigger?

              Alternative is Lanzini + Aguero/Lukaku > Sanchez + Vardy/Origi for free

              Current squad (2FT, 3.4m ITB)

              Grant Jakupovic
              Alonso Davies McAuley Alsson Williams
              Alli Firmino Siggy Lanzini De Roon
              Aguero Lukaku Defoe

            10. The Mighty One
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Hey mates,
              Was Kyle Walker merely rested this weekend? I cannot find any injury news on him. Cheers!!

              1. liiusions
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                correct

                1. The Mighty One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Thanks!

              2. jmcclory123
                • 10 Years
                7 years, 1 month ago

                Yes rested.

                1. The Mighty One
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 1 month ago

                  Thank you!!

            11. Oggle22
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 1 month ago

              Time to WC or take Hits?

              Jakupovic/Cech*
              Pieter's/Lovren/Yoshi/Walker/Alonso
              Barkley/Siggy/Sanchez/Mane*/Alli
              Lukaku/Llorente*/Crouch*

              In 2nd place over 100 points behind so just playing for fun now (not been much of that for a while) cheers in advance