Scout Notes

Richarlison limps off from two-goal Everton debut as Neves shines

Over 40,000 Fantasy Premier League managers have taken the plunge on Richarlison after his 14-point return in Everton’s 2-2 draw with Wolverhampton Wanderers yesterday, although the sight of the Brazilian limping from the pitch late in the match will be of some concern to his new and existing owners.

Ruben Neves also delivered a double-digit haul in the evening kick-off at Molineux, while two-goal Roberto Pereyra was the star of the show in Watford’s victory over Brighton and Hove Albion.

Our latest Scout Notes dissects the two remaining Premier League matches played on Saturday.

Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-2 Everton

  • Goals: Ruben Neves (£5.0m), Raul Jimenez (£5.5m) | Richarlison (£6.5m) x2
  • Assists: Diogo Jota (£6.5m), Ruben Neves | Michael Keane (£5.0m), Cenk Tosun (£7.0m)

An injury to Richarlison (£6.5m) marred the Brazilian’s Everton debut, as the £35m capture from Watford struck twice for the ten-man Toffees in a 2-2 draw with Wolves.

That the former Watford winger was able to walk off the field of play – and return for the post-match pleasantries after the final whistle – would perhaps suggest that the problem is not too serious, and the winger’s substitution was not alluded to in either his or Marco Silva’s post-match interviews.

Having failed to find the net once after Gameweek 12 last season, an infamous barren run in which Richarlison recorded 52 attempts on goal without success, the Brazilian struck with his only two shots of the match at Molineux.

Reports of Leighton Baines‘ (£5.5m) demise as a Fantasy asset appear to have been greatly exaggerated, with the Everton veteran not only getting the nod over Lucas Digne (£5.0m) at left-back but also playing a pivotal role in Richarlison’s opener. It was from Baines’ whipped free-kick that Richarlison prodded home after 17 minutes, with Michael Keane (£5.0m) collecting a fortuitous assist following a penalty box scramble. Baines also took four corner-kicks during the match, although was perhaps afforded more responsibility from set-piece duties due to the early withdrawal of Gylfi Sigurdsson (£7.5m) before half-time.

The Icelandic midfielder’s substitution was a tactical one, with Everton having minutes earlier been reduced to ten men following Phil Jagielka‘s (£4.5m) dismissal for a foul on Diogo Jota (£6.5m). With Yerry Mina (£5.5m) soon to be in contention for a starting place after his move from Barcelona and Kurt Zouma joining the club on a season-long loan deal, Jagielka’s days in the Everton defence are possibly at an end.

The salt in the wound for Everton was that Ruben Neves (£5.0m) converted the subsequent free-kick after Jagielka’s red card, with the Portuguese midfielder also collecting an assist for Raul Jimenez‘s (£5.5m) late equaliser.

Neves already enjoyed a double-digit ownership in FPL and his popularity would seem set to increase further ahead of Gameweek 2: the 21-year-old is currently the most bought midfielder of the round.

Much was made of Neves’ weaknesses as an FPL asset prior to the season, with justifications for his omission from our squads ranging from his deep-lying playmaker position to the fact that 90 of his 93 shots last season were taken from outside the opposition box.

As Luka Milivojevic proved in 2017/18, though, dead-ball duties go a long way to furthering a budget midfielder’s Fantasy appeal. Neves not only poses a significant threat from direct free-kicks (this was his third Wolves goal from such a situation) but may also be on penalty-taking duties, having taken two spot-kicks in pre-season – although the last one, in the 2-1 win over Villarreal, was missed.

On a day of bargain basement players starting for their respective clubs, Ryan Bennett (£4.0m) became the latest name to monitor in the budget defender bracket after getting the nod at centre-back ahead of Romain Saiss (£4.5m). Bennett could so easily have collected an assist for his 5%+ of owners, too, having played a sumptuous through ball for Jimenez, who failed to beat Jordan Pickford (£5.0m) when one on one with the returning England goalkeeper.

Nuno Espirito Santo was none-too-pleased about his side’s defensive solidity but was resolute when asked if he would compromise Wolves’ style (last season’s Championship winners once again rolled out a 3-4-3) to shore up his backline:

Honestly, no, We have to build something with a shape that is able to adapt to all of the difficult opponents that we have in front of us. But don’t change your beliefs. What you believe and what you work for every day is what you must do on the day of competition. We believe in what we do.

Ivan Cavaleiro (£5.5m) missed out on yesterday’s draw through injury, but Santo would not put a date on when the winger would be available for selection again. Adama Traore (£5.5m) was also absent with a minor shoulder injury but will be another wide-midfielder to threaten perhaps Helder Costa‘s (£5.0m) starts on his return.

Despite playing for almost an hour with an extra man, Wolves had the fewest number of shots inside the opposition box than any of the teams in action on Saturday.

WOLVES XI (3-4-3): Rui Patricio; Bennett, Coady, Boly; Doherty, Moutinho (Gibbs-White 85′), Neves, Castro (Vinagre 76′); Jota, Jimenez, Costa (Bonatini 71′)

EVERTON XI (4-3-3): Pickford; Coleman, Jagielka, Keane, Baines; Schneiderlin, Gueye, Sigurdsson (Holgate 43′); Walcott, Tosun (Niasse 81′), Richarlison (Digne 86′)

Watford 2-0 Brighton and Hove Albion

  • Goals: Roberto Pereyra (£6.0m) x2
  • Assists: Jose Holebas (£4.5m) x2

While Richarlison was making hay at Molineux, his replacement of sorts was showing that the Brazilian winger may not be missed at Vicarage Road this season.

Roberto Pereyra (£6.0m) has now been directly involved in all of Watford’s last six Premier League goals, with his brace in the 2-0 victory over Brighton his fifth strike in seven top-flight appearances.

Pereyra’s opportunities on the left flank were stymied by Richarlison for much of last season, with the Argentinean midfielder either mostly playing behind the striker or out on the right wing on the 17 occasions in which Marco Silva or Javi Gracia started him in 2017/18. A run of five starts on the left wing towards the end of the campaign just gone, however, coincided with the beginning of this ongoing productive spell.

No midfielder had more attempts on goal (four) than Pereyra in the seven Premier League matches contested so far this weekend.

Fantasy managers considering purchasing the £6.0m-rated midfielder should, however, be aware that Torino have been linked with a move for Pereyra in recent days and, with the transfer window still open on the continent, there is still the potential for the Hornets’ match-winner to be playing elsewhere by the end of August.

That Watford would be unable to source a replacement before January means that the club may resist any approach for the 27-year-old, with Gracia stressing the importance of Pereyra to his side this season in his post-match interview:

I don’t expect anybody to go out in the last movement and during the summer I really don’t know the movements. I only want the players who worked with me last season, they stay with me this season as well and Roberto is one of them. He is a high-quality player and I think he’s very important for us.

Watford lined up as we predicted in our Team News section, with Troy Deeney and Andre Gray (both £6.0m) getting starts in attack. Etienne Capoue (£5.0m) and Abdoulaye Doucoure (£6.0m) sat deep in midfield in a formation that resembled 4-2-2-2 at times.

Although Gracia rolled out a 4-4-2 for much of pre-season, the Watford boss hinted after Saturday’s victory over the Seagulls that his side’s shape could change throughout 2018/19, as it did when the Hornets switched to a diamond formation in the draw with Sampdoria last weekend:

If all the players, like Troy and Andre, keep that level, I think it’s a very good option for games like today. In other games, maybe we need to change the shape.

For example, playing in the last pre-season game against Sampdoria, we needed to change the shape because they played a different way and then we need to adjust some things to play with [Etienne] Capoue and with Roberto as a second midfielder.

We can change depending on the opponents and we’ll try to keep our attitude in all the games.

Watford had more attempts on goal (19) than any of the 14 Premier League sides who have been in action this weekend, meanwhile.

As we suggested in our analysis of the Hornets’ numbers from last season and in an evaluation of Gracia’s pre-season tactics, Watford’s full-backs could be excellent budget defensive picks this season. Jose Holebas (£4.5m) duly delivered on that tip with assists for both of Pereyra’s goals; the first from a short corner routine and the second courtesy of some tenacious scrapping from the Greek left-back to set Pereyra on his way.

Holebas created more chances and took more corner-kicks than any other Premier League defender on Saturday.

Brighton, meanwhile, were lacklustre in attack as well as unconvincing in defence, with Watford goalkeeper Ben Foster (£4.5m) not called upon to make any save on his return to Vicarage Road.

The Seagulls also lost Bruno (£4.5m) to injury in the first half, with Hughton elaborating on the veteran defender’s problem in his post-match interviews:

He felt his hamstring. As with all muscle injuries, you don’t really know the extent.

New signing Martin Montoya (£4.5m) could be handed his debut against Manchester United next weekend, then, if Bruno is ruled out. Gaetan Bong (£4.5m) was sent on to replace Bruno yesterday afternoon, with new signing Bernardo (£4.5m) switching over from left-back to fill in for the 37-year-old defender.

The Seagulls’ insipid performance on Saturday could also further the cases for recent captures Alireza Jahanbakhsh (£7.0m) and Yves Bissouma (£5.0m) to start against the Red Devils next weekend, with both players only featuring as second-half substitutes in the defeat to Watford.

Hughton’s side had the worst away record in the top flight last season and their loss to the Hornets was the 14th successive match in which they have failed to win on their travels. Pascal Gross (£7.0m), whose only attacking returns away from home last season were two assists, created just one chance and didn’t register a single shot before being hooked on the hour mark.

WATFORD XI (4-4-2): Foster; Janmaat, Cathcart, Kabasele, Holebas; Hughes (Sema 81′), Doucoure, Capoue, Pereyra (Femenia 81′); Gray (Success 74)’, Deeney

BRIGHTON XI (4-4-1-1): Ryan; Bruno (Bong 25′), Duffy, Dunk, Bernardo; Knockaert, Stephens, Propper, March (Jahankabash 71′); Gross (Bissouma 60′); Murray

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  1. Salarrivederci
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Cedric starts! Armstrong too! Lets og guys!

    1. Differential (c)
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      No Og, good lord

  2. teriyaki 69
    • 2 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    wan b 12 pointer stuck on the bench it seems

    1. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 4 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Will be the case for loads and makes total sense to be honest , why would you have a 4 Def starting ?

  3. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Combined ownership of 65.2% between Alisson and back four for Liverpool

  4. Stoichkov#8
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Anie up top?

    1. El Topo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Yes

      1. Syd.
        • 9 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        That is where his missus likes him

        1. El Topo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          9 months, 12 days ago

          I guess you would know, Mrs. Arnautovic 😉

        2. Demigod Mendy
          • 2 Years
          9 months, 12 days ago

          The other way round is bliss tho 😉

  5. Woy_is_back
    • 1 Year
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Cedric, TAA, Salah, Mané LET´S GO

  6. diesel001
    • 2 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Gomez an interesting option for the CB spot now. Not like Lovren, Matip and Klavan are that reliable.

    1. It’s just Jim
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Lovren to come back in

      1. BananaNose Maldonado
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Gomez will provide a very strong challenge. The future of that team is TAA - Gomez - VVD - Robertson.

  7. ZoumasBloomers
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 2 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Legitimately gutted that Cedric starts

    1. Bubz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      He's going to score

      1. Houldsworth Hatter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        No. He’s Cedric. Have you seen him play in the league? 😉

        1. Bubz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          9 months, 12 days ago

          He's a wingback now though

  8. Saint Steve-O (@EliteFPL)
    • 5 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    I've just seen 14'000+ votes for Salah as captain, is that a glitch? I get he's most popular, but never have I seen that amount of votes!

    1. Demigod Mendy
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      They're just scared

    2. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Who's Salah, he any good?

      Reckon I should work him into my FPL plans?

  9. Berbinho's Forehead
    • 8 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Phew. AWB stays on the bench for many.

    1. Mesmeric Messi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Thank god.

    2. diesel001
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Just need a Bednarek appearance and Mendy start and it will be perfect.

    3. Toblerone52
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Yep needed a Trent no show to get him myself. Rival started him which us very annoying....

  10. Midlands Saint73
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Cedric starts, Ings on bench

  11. Differential (c)
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Keeping an eye on Austin, Armstrong, Fredericks, F. Anderson, and.Lennon. Looked good to me, question marks on nailedness threw me off.

    1. badgerboy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Antonio for me.

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        And Lennon for me.

  12. Touré De Force
    • 8 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Westwood starts for Burnley. I know they have injuries but could see him breaking through as a regular starter for them this season. Very solid 4.5 bench option if so

    1. El Topo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Hart...

      1. Touré De Force
        • 8 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Westwood is a mf?

        1. El Topo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          9 months, 12 days ago

          Yes, I know. Due to the injuries they’re also starting Hart 😆

  13. It’s gonna Ben Mee
    • 5 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Felipe Anderson monitoring time

  14. Gregor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 9 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Good to see Alex Scott on the Sky panel, thought she was good at the World Cup.

    1. Waynoo
      • 5 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      she's terrible,talks too quickly

      1. Demigod Mendy
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Carragher?

    2. pablo discobar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      It's a mans game, she has no relevance. Should be in the kitchen making pie. Let her pundit on the women's game, not the mens

      1. Rotation's Alter Ego
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Get out of here. We don't want you here.

      2. badgerboy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Been wondering what Andy Gray was doing with his gardening leave.

      3. Demigod Mendy
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Didn't anyone tell you that you're a bit of a disgrace and embarrassment?

  15. Zilla
    • 1 Year
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Liverpool backline is weak

    1. Differential (c)
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Can see Gomez missing a run from Arnie. Alisson though.

    2. Berbinho's Forehead
      • 8 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Would have hoped Fabinho was fit enough to start.

    3. Syd.
      • 9 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      They probably have better defenders than United

      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Doesn't say much.

  16. bored by december
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    9 months, 12 days ago

    TAA starts!

  17. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Bednarek benched.

    If he stays there Villa Ronka gets Wan-Bissaka off the bench.

    https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/team/829593/event/1

    1. Monsieur
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Who cares

      1. Forza Papac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Clearly not you

    2. CamperDudes
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      This might be daft, but who is this Villa Ronka guy?

      1. Touré De Force
        • 8 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Villa Ronka? The most famous chocolate factory owner in the world?! Come on brah

      2. diesel001
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        One of the best FPL players in the world. Look at his ranks - only once outside the Top 10k:

        2008/09 4,266
        2009/10 569
        2010/11 362
        2011/12 1,631
        2012/13 4,668
        2013/14 90
        2014/15 277
        2015/16 1,450
        2016/17 21,905
        2017/18 5,928

        1. CamperDudes
          • 2 Years
          9 months, 12 days ago

          Been playing for 3 years and only heard of him now.

    3. TAT
      • 1 Year
      9 months, 12 days ago

      The best players always get it the way the want!

      1. TAT
        • 1 Year
        9 months, 12 days ago

        they*

    4. Fred54
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Swapped Bednarek out for Bertrand before deadline...W-B first sub.

  18. NeatBourbon
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Waiting on Liverpool to complete my weekend accumulator, tempted to cash out as I am not so confident...

    1. Lukakwho
      • 1 Year
      9 months, 12 days ago

      what is it?

    2. Ha.
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Easy win

    3. Halftime
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Liverpool should win but I don't think they'll keep a clean sheet

    4. Skull And Gnomes 9
      • 1 Year
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Let it ride.

    5. Mesmeric Messi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      I need Rickie Fowler to win, and Liverpool win for 2.2k off £10 in my acca

      1. diesel001
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Good luck. Koepka looks good though and too ofter Fowler bottles it for me. Had him so many times e/w - never wins though.

  19. Ginkapo FPL
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    No matter how bad your team are doing this season, have a heart for us. Lost 2-1 to Eastleigh yesterday, but dont worry, we hosted a cracking indian wedding at the same time.....

    erm ok.

  20. Bubz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Who is this lovely lady with Jamie Redknapp?

    1. Fred54
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      I'm not watching but it could be Jamie Carragher.

      1. Fred54
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Just kidding its Alex Scott of course.

  21. flipthebuzzard
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Having missed the deadline due to unexpected hospital visit, left with this, not at all horrific but not quite right team.... Obvious flaws? And what would be your next moves...?

    Pickford
    Trippier Maguire Lichtenstein VanAan
    Pogba Shak Salah Richarlson
    Kane Arnie
    (Pope, Peltier, Hugill)

    Thanks guys...

    1. dmcqt
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      You're a bit heavy on recently returned World Cup players, but they should all be playing soon enough (maybe Trippier later than the others). I'd replace Peltier with Aaron Wan-Bissaka so you can get the price rises and the points. Otherwise looks passably decent. Get well!

      1. flipthebuzzard
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        Thank you! 🙂

  22. Stoichkov#8
    • 3 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    How is that we have lineups of every team exactly 60mins before KO?

    1. Elvy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      I saw QAnon talking about that today.

    2. Alan The Llama
      • 9 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      That's when teamsheets have to be handed in.

      1. Mesmeric Messi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        They're handed in like 20 minutes before that in the referee's office.

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      9 months, 12 days ago

      ...that's when they're announced?

    4. GAMBIT
      • 4 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Because that's when they're released

    5. Halftime
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      I'm guessing it's a PL rule that teams submit their lineups 60 mins before kickoff.

    6. Stoichkov#8
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      yeah, seems obvious 🙂

  23. Lovefootball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Was somehow convinced that Yoshida would play, so he's in my starting 11. Not even on bench = Wan-Bissaka points secured off the bench!

    1. Bubz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Jam

    2. badgerboy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Purest jam.

    3. SADIO SANÉ
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      nice

    4. Lovefootball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Also have Mane captain over Salah so I need a bit more luck today. This is a good start though

  24. JohnRoss
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    So I just need Aubameyang to score and Robertson to keep a cleanie and all will be fine.

    1. Differential (c)
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Hoping for KdB Masterclass.

      1. @fpl_phenom
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 months, 12 days ago

        is he going to play??

  25. Dacra
    • 4 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    TAA had better score to soften the blow of WanB first on bench.

    Just Mendy, B. Silva, Agiero keeping him from subbing in now..

  26. Leeds2116
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Wow cedric is starting. wish i had got him

  27. thunder_mike
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    If Ings can get a starting spot, swapping out King + Stephens > Ings + Neves would give a flexible 352/343 with a strong first sub at 0.5 cheaper (with no price rises).

  28. Sting
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    surely i’ve gotta downgrade robbo for TAA and invest that 1m elsewhere?

    1. footballdog
      • 2 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      i did this

    2. Differential (c)
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      Can see TAA/Clyne rotate more significantly than Robbo/Moreno. Simply because the difference in quality between Robo and Moreno is just so obvious.

  29. Wild Rover
    • 8 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Hart starts even though Heaton is fit.

  30. footballdog
    • 2 Years
    9 months, 12 days ago

    Jota to Neves on FT? or too kneejerky .....

    1. @fpl_phenom
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      9 months, 12 days ago

      really considering it myself... I guess best to give it one week... Jota almost got through one on one only Jags fouled him... next week could be Jota getting on the end of things.....