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Wildcards continue to break up top 10k template as Salah rewards massive backing

Fantasy Premier League managers in the top 10k continue to eye up major changes to their squads.

With Blank Gameweek 28, the corresponding Doubles and Blank Gameweek 31 all on the horizon, the template of the first half of the campaign continues to slowly dissolve.

Therefore, the second Wildcard has received plenty of attention from both the upper echelons of Fantasy managers and worldwide.

7.6% of managers inside the top 10k pulled the trigger on their squad overhaul for Gameweek 25 while 4.7% did so overall.

Defence appears to be the area most needing some change according to the Gameweek 25 Wildcarders among the top 10k.

Recent benchings for John Lundstram (£5.1m) have seen just 62.6% of these managers hold onto his services, compared to ownership of 87.2% among the top 10k as a whole.

There is a similar drop-off for Martin Kelly (£4.4m), sat in 51.3% of top 10k squads but included only in 28.6% of those at this level who Wildcarded for Gameweek 25. Of course, that was before his benching at home to Sheffield United on Saturday afternoon.

Also losing significant support, not surprisingly, is Çaglar Söyüncü (£5.0m) after Leicester went a fourth consecutive match without a clean sheet on Saturday lunch-time.

The centre-back is still held by 39.3% of managers in the top 10k but is not among the top five for ownership in the Wildcard selection.

His place, along with Diego Rico‘s (£4.2m), has been taken by Jamaal Lascelles (£4.2m), while Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m) also features.

The budget price of Newcastle’s club captain, combined with the Magpies appealing run of fixtures, which started with a 0-0 draw against Norwich, has led to relative popularity in top 10k Wildcard squads.

Lascelles has been chosen by 30.8% of such managers, behind only Alexander-Arnold, Lundstram and Van Dijk.

Despite losing plenty of support in recent weeks, Nick Pope (£4.6m) remains an important part of the so-called template.

Only Dean Henderson (£5.0m) was selected by more top 10k Wildcarders than the Burnley goalkeeper, who has 37.8% representation in such squads.

Mohamed Salah‘s (£12.6m) ownership figures have taken a huge boost following the recent injury to Sadio Mané (£12.3m).

In the top 10k, the Egyptian now has 87.2% ownership, while 93% of those Wildcarding at this level for Gameweek 25 chose him – even more than Kevin De Bruyne (£10.6m).

However, it is worth noting that 10.6% of managers inside the top 10k have opted to hold Mané ahead of Gameweek 26.

It will be interesting to see if this tactic pays off considering that Liverpool don’t have a Premier League fixture between now and February 15.

Jurgen Klopp previously stated that Mané would be “alright” after the Southampton match and up next for Liverpool is a trip to Carrow Road, where Norwich have conceded more goals than on their travels this season.

️There also appeared to be a shift in the fourth and fifth midfielder markets following Gameweek 25 Wildcards.

Todd Cantwell‘s (£4.9m) most recent blank, recorded at Newcastle, may see his 37.1% representation in the top 10k fall further and, indeed, he has dropped out of the top five midfielders in the Wildcard template.

John Fleck (£5.0m), who has five goals and two assists this season, looks to be gunning for Cantwell’s place in Fantasy squads, chosen by 22.3% of top 10k Wildcards this weekend.

Up-front, Jamie Vardy (£9.9m) finds himself still losing followers. He remains the most popular forward in the top 10k (64.7%) but was not in the top-three among the Wildcarders.

Another blank for the Leicester man, this time against Chelsea, his third in a row, may only exacerbate the slew of sales ahead of a Gameweek 26 trip to Wolves.

By contrast, 49.5% of those Wildcarding for Gameweek 25 put their faith in Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (£10.7m), set to face Burnley on Sunday afternoon. That makes him the third-most-popular striker in such squads.

Looking at the chip usage in full detail for the top 10k, we can see just how many deployed the Triple Captain for Double Gameweek 24.

With 13 Gameweeks left in the 2019/20 schedule, 28.1% of managers at the top level right now will be looking out for another opportunity to use their enhanced armband.

15.7% is the portion of top 10k managers who are yet to play a chip in the second half of the season. They are likely to be very confident that they can use the chips to consolidate their position.

Finally, Saturday afternoon provided the perfect entertainment for the majority of the top 10k, as far as the captaincy was concerned.

That’s because Salah mopped up monstrous backing for the armband at this level, 79.8% of his backers enjoying a 32-point haul in Liverpool’s 4-0 win over Southampton.

That contributed towards an effective ownership of 167% for Salah among the top 10k on Saturday afternoon.

The 4.5% who went for Alexander-Arnold instead did not see too much pay-off in return for their risk, the right-back scoring six points, 12 if captained.

There is also now pressure on those few brave souls who went against the grain to back a Sunday afternoon player with the armband.

The in-form Sergio Aguero (£12.0m) was captained by just 4% of the top 10k, De Bruyne 2.5% and Aubameyang 2.4%.

Stats taken from LiveFPL.net

2,157 Comments Post a Comment
  1. OldBenKenobi
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Is Barnes worth a punt? Worried whether he’s nailed on long term

    1. JJeyy
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Got him in before the Chelsea game. Great stats promoted me, and more nailed than Perez due to nacho playing RW/2nd striker.

    2. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Yep but in/from 28 I guess. Fairly nailed I think.

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        He is in for me. Better than Maddy

  2. JJeyy
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Henderson McCarthy
    Fernández Egan O’Connell TAA Stephens
    Barnes Salah KDB Mahrez Hayden
    Auba Ings Firmino

    Rate this wildcard? (If I use it)

    1. Uns95
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      good but that back line will cause you issues come black GW 28...

      1. Hart-ake
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        He can just bench all 3 Sheffield Utd defs?

        1. Mr Q
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          And auba, mahrez and kdb?

    2. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Don't like the Firmino pick personally! Prefer double Liv def.

      1. JJeyy
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Just see so much value in Sheffield and Sou defenders, would rather spend that on firmino

        1. Hart-ake
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Fair enough. I can see that. I really like Boly as well as a pick.

  3. Tronity
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Patch a broken team with a -4 (Ayew and Kelly > Jiminez and VVD) or Wildcard?

    Ryan, Button
    TAA, Soyuncu, Lundstram, Kelly, Hanley
    Salah, KDB, Grealish, Martial, Cantwell
    Vardy, Ings, Ayew

    1. Pukki Party
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      -4 over WC

  4. Hart-ake
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    RMWCT

    Hendo (McCarthy)
    Robbo TAA Boly (Baldock Stephens)
    Salah Mahrez Grealish Traore (Mooy)
    Aguero Ings Jimmy

    1. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      template

      1. Hart-ake
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Probably. Even Mahrez?

        1. The Neville Wears Prada
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          People who have good TV will go with Aguero, those who don't went Mahrez

          1. Hart-ake
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            I went both though...

            Mahrez is the one I am least sure on but as a one or two week punt could be good.

            1. The Neville Wears Prada
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 3 months ago

              Are you going to use FH in gw28? You have 6 players blanking.

              1. Hart-ake
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 3 months ago

                5 isn't it? Will bench SHU gk/def and then sell two of the other three.

  5. Uns95
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Pulled the plug and have done Vardy > Firmino before price changes tonight.

    Happy overall, 59 points with Aubameyang and KDB to go tomorrow (Salah Captain).

  6. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Error. Server error. Try again later. This when I tried to play my WC. Oh my fpl!!! Anyone else with similar problem?

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Retrying it now

  7. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone else who is afraid of Shef.United's LB Jack Robinson signing who is gonna 'provide competition' to Stevens?

    *Finally I'm gonna go for Baldock to be sure...

    1. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Surely back-up but yes have gone Baldock to play safe.

  8. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Who are you replacing Lundstram with?

    1. Pompel
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Dificult one Had though of Stevens this GW but got VVD instead. I have too many not playing GW28 so Lascelles or Stephens , probs.

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Stevens

    3. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Newcastle defender or Sheffield defense

    4. OldBenKenobi
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You tell me 🙂

      Maybe Lascelles

    5. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Stephens or Sheffvutd mid.

    6. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Edna

      Sheff Utd are one of the few teams who look capable of clean sheets

  9. TRIPOS TOPPER
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Hendo (Button)
    TAA Aurier Kelly* Lund* Soy
    Salah KdB Martial JackG Gendouzi*
    Vardy Ings DCL

    been going great guns but many issues

    5.4itb, 1FT

    1. Hold
    2. Lund to VVD
    3, Kelly to VVD
    4. Gendo to ?

    Soy and Vardy awful form but will hold till 28 I think, as it stands I only have 8 starters for that week

    1. FPL Theorist
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      3

      1. TRIPOS TOPPER
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        thank you!

  10. Rains of Castamere
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    The 7.0 - 9.5 midfielder bracket is pretty meh right now.

    1. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      As in it's a desert.

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        5 2 3

        1. Hart-ake
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Nah coz of Grealish/Traore. 4-3-3 though?

    2. Pompel
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Yeh. I got in Martial as he raned pretty high in RMT table, but sorely regretting now. Slim pickings but Alli could still worth a shout or why not a punt on Bruno.

    3. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      it's awful

      I got in Martial as I had no other options, other than moving the money up front
      He's a placeholder for Mane really

  11. FCSB
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    65 with KDB to play, is that above average?

    1. Uns95
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      what do you think.. lol

    2. FCSB
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Sorry I took a -4 hit so 61...

    3. Mr Q
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Ban

    4. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Nice bait, I'll bite

      Top 10K average - 52.61

      Overall average - 39.02

      1. FCSB
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Ah no wasn’t actually baiting... I thought most would’ve captained Salah and the average would therefore be quite high.

        Thanks for the info though

        1. The Neville Wears Prada
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          If you're on FFS, it's assumed that you would know where to find basic info such as gw average even before they're posted on the official FPL site; hence people asking for ban and myself assuming it's bait

          1. pulpy77
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            Chill, just a simple question was asked, no need to call for bans.

            1. The Neville Wears Prada
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 3 months ago

              1) I didn't ask for ban..
              2) I gave him the info he asked for

              1. pulpy77
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 3 months ago

                1) You are not the only person to reply.
                2) See number one!

                1. The Neville Wears Prada
                  • 7 Years
                  4 years, 3 months ago

                  1) Reply to the person asking for ban then
                  2) See number one!

  12. Nightf0x
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Ryan (buton)
    Lund taa sidibe (soy lascels)
    Mane salah kdb martial (traore)
    Dcl mauapy vardy

    WC or -8 ?

    1. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Wildcard. Too much needs freshening up.

    2. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Wc

    3. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Wildcard best I think

  13. yanky
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    initially didn’t think i was gonna WC now im not sure thoughts?

    Gauita
    TAA Soy Lund (Rico Kelly)
    Salah KDB Traore Grealish (Dedonk)
    Auba Vardy Ings

    would probably be keeping 7...TAA/Soy/Salah/KDB/Traore/Auba/Ings.

    1. Reiger
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Why keep Soy? Should be top of the list to go

      1. yanky
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        too much value in him and fixtures turning in a few

        1. The Neville Wears Prada
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Too much value tied up on Soy? Even if you got him at 4.5, you only have 0.2 selling profit on him..

          Leicester also have 1 CS in the last 10

        2. FPL_Crisis
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          He’s got 18 points in his past 9 games. Horrible

    2. AFC90
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Soy to VVD?

    3. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Good team. 3 FT will get you through GW28. A wildcard a week before a big DGW and possibly TC is more valuable.

  14. Bob B
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    A. Maupay +4 (WAT)
    B. Ings (BUR)

    1. Rico +4 (shu)
    2. Stevens (BOU)

  15. Pompel
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Have been getting nowhere in last couple of months, so time to take some chances.
    KDB hauls getting few and far between, so maybe time to ship him get Agüero for a couple of matches,for armband against WHU if anything?

    1. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      If you take out KDB, it'll go from getting nowhere, to getting lost

      1. Pompel
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Not so sure and probably getting back on wc around GW30-32 for the run-in. For a £ loss obviously, but prices vs value all over the place expect Pool players atm.

        1. The Neville Wears Prada
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          His EO in top 10k is 93.97%. You don't make ground up by taking out one of the best mids.

    2. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      madness

      one of the top 2/3 mids in the game. Effectively top 2 now with Mane out

      1. Pompel
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Blan coming up, and then not the best fixtures before GW33, Will probably get him back on wc.

        1. TRIPOS TOPPER
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          where you shifting the money - up front?

          1. Pompel
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            Yeah, would be Agüero for next two, then reassess after GW28. Really want Kun as captain against WHU, but don't think it's smart to double up ahead of BGW28.

  16. Totti
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    thanks for snodgrass salah and firmino 🙂
    75 points with 3 to go

    aguero de bruyne and pope

  17. Malkmus
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Evening. Sorry for the boring question but would you wc this lot? 1ft, 0.9 itb

    McCarthy (button)
    Trent - robbo - Lundy- Kelly- kiko
    Mane - Maddison- kdb- richa- dendonk
    Ings- dcl- Aguero

    Ta !

    1. FF Dirtbag
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No...

    2. aleksios
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No.

      1. Malkmus
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers both

  18. T.Henry14
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    2 FT & 2.1 ITB

    Ryan
    TAA, Soyuncu, Lundstram, Rico, Kelly
    Salah, KDB, Martial, Grealish, Cantwell
    Firmino, Vardy, Ings

    A) Martial ---> Son, save FT
    B) Martial&Kelly ---> Son&Stephens
    C) Vardy&Martial ---> Auba&Alli
    D) Grealish&Kelly ---> Alli&Stephens

    1. aleksios
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      B.

  19. AFC90
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    What to with this? 1FT £2.6m in the bank

    Team:

    McCarthy
    TAA - Lundstram - Soy
    KDB - Salah- Traore - Grealish
    Abraham - Firmino - Vardy

    Button - Moutinho - Rico - Kelly

    Any need to wildcard?

    Thanks

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Not in this case

    2. aleksios
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Fix Lund or Kelly? Rest is fine.

  20. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Auba or Son for a WC ?

    1. aleksios
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Auba.

    2. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      How about waiting until tmrw and watching them both play?

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Son doesn't blank and is cheaper.

        I will wait for tomorrow yes

    3. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Son just

      Blank in 28 makes Auba very short term - awkward in a premium. If Spurs lose midweek then Son becomes GW31 gold if you’re playing through

    4. Gunners in Haaland
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Auba

  21. Pengen
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Is it wise to WC now before the remaining blanks are confirmed?
    Will we have more information before the GW26 deadline?

    1. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Depends more on the state of your team

    2. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      We wont. We will have before GW29 deadline

      1. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Actually we might

        If Spurs lose then they are confirmed for 31 against WH

  22. aleksios
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Vardy to Kun the obvious move here?
    1ft 3.2 itb.

    --Hendo
    --TAA--VVD--Dunk
    --Salah--KDB--Grealish--Madds
    --DCL--Vardy--Ings.

    --Stekel--Cantwell--Lund--Kelly.

    Thanks guys .

  23. OldBenKenobi
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Lundstram Martial Vardy > Lascelles Barnes Aguero -4?

    1. aleksios
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No brainer imo.

    2. Slitherene
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No need imo

  24. jimmyabs1987
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Gtg

    McCarthy
    TAA, VVD, Stevens
    KDB, Salah, Fleck, Martial
    Ings, Aguero, Vardy

    Button, Cantwell, Williams, Hanley

  25. BRFC
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    How does a goalkeeper keeping a clean sheet score more baps than a player with a hat trick of assists it’s ridiculous.

    1. how now brown cow
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Because he does more of the things that give him bonus points and less of the things that lose them.

      It might seem odd on the outside but like it or not there are rules to this rubbish.

    2. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      you are not comparing like with like. The Liverpool game had more goals so more competition for baps.

    3. The Neville Wears Prada
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Because he has a beard

    4. Party time
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Lol

      • Party time
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Because the Goal Keeper baptised Firmino

        • DycheDycheBaby
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          I agree it's not right but that's just how the BAPS work.

      • jblakes
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        What to do with this lot? Thinking of getting rid of Vardy for Jimmy but already have troare.

        Hendo mcarthy
        Taa gomez lund Kelly suy
        Salah KDB grealish troare hayden
        DCL Vardy Aguero

        2ft and 2mil in bank

        1. how now brown cow
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          I'd replace one of lund/kelly/soy and maybe go dcl to jimenez

          1. jblakes
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            Wasn't sure if two wolves is too much

            1. how now brown cow
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 3 months ago

              I wouldnt look at it like that.

              Who scores more points DCL or Jimenez? Everton fixtures are a horror show after next week.

              1. jblakes
                • 5 Years
                4 years, 3 months ago

                That's a different way of looking at it. I usually go by who score more per team

      • Totti
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        I've a feeling that time has finally arrived for the wildcard

        what do you think guys on this team?

        Pope ryan
        TAA soyuncu lundstram rico kelly
        salah kdb traore snod cantwell
        aguero vardy firmino

        1 FT 0.1 itb

        1. Slitherene
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Yes, WC!

      • Tsparkes10
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Dean Henderson from the start has been delicious :). What to do with Lund and Martial. How did Traore look today?

        1. The Neville Wears Prada
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Sell Lund
          Keep Martial
          Traore fine

        2. TRIPOS TOPPER
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          I think I'm removing Lund for VVD to use my Mane surplus funds

        3. diesel001
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Lund to another SHU defender.

          Might as well hold Martial.

      • Tonyawesome69
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        What's your thoughts?

        a. Ryan > Henderson
        b. Evans > Stephens
        c. both -4
        d. Team is worse than I thought and should WC

        1ft 2itb
        Pope Ryan*
        Evans* TAA lundstram Lascelles Rico
        Grealish KDB salah traore mane
        vardy ings connolly*

        Thanks!

      • Fpl Richie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Ryan
        Lundstram TAA Holgate
        Salah Martial Traore KDB
        Vardy Auba Ings
        Button Kelly Soyuncu Dendo
        1.9itb 1ft

        A. Wildcard
        B. Just use 1ft and maybe a hit.

        1. Fpl Richie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          If B, I'd upgrade a def to vvd and maybe do Vardy to Jim.