Scout Notes

Everton’s FA Cup defeat leads to the first Double Gameweek of the season

Another pair of Premier League sides bowed out of the FA Cup on Saturday evening, with Everton and West Ham United the victims of giant-killings at the hands of two Football League clubs.

As has been widely publicised today on this site and beyond, the fact that neither Everton nor Manchester City will require an FA Cup fourth-round replay means that their postponed Gameweek 27 fixture – which clashes with the EFL Cup final – can now be brought forward to Wednesday 6 February (part of Gameweek 25).

Thirteen teams from the top-flight of English football have now exited the competition, after Tottenham Hotspur fell to Crystal Palace in an all-Premier League clash on Sunday.

Wolverhampton Wanderers and Brighton & Hove Albion face fourth-round replays after drawing on Saturday, meanwhile.

Palace, Watford, Manchester City and Manchester United are the only four Premier League teams to have definitely secured their passages to the round of 16 ahead of Chelsea’s meeting with Sheffield Wednesday.

All of this has ramifications for Fantasy Premier League managers, of course, given that Gameweeks 31 and 33 clash with the FA Cup quarter-finals and semi-finals respectively.

Those “blank” Gameweeks may not quite be so decimated now, with four fixtures already confirmed in each:

Confirmed Gameweek 31 fixtures:

  • Bournemouth v Newcastle United
  • Burnley v Leicester City
  • Fulham v Liverpool
  • West Ham United v Huddersfield Town

Confirmed Gameweek 33 fixtures:

  • Bournemouth v Burnley
  • Everton v Arsenal
  • Huddersfield Town v Leicester City
  • Southampton v Liverpool

Bournemouth, Burnley, Huddersfield, Leicester and Liverpool are the five clubs we can now say will – weather-permitting – avoid blanks in Gameweeks 27, 31 and 33.

Wimbledon 4-2 West Ham United

  • Goals: Lucas Perez, Felipe Anderson
  • Assists: Michail Antonio, Robert Snodgrass

West Ham sought to deflect attention away from their humiliating FA Cup fourth-round defeat by announcing that Marko Arnautovic (£6.9m) had signed a new contract minutes after the final whistle blew at Kingsmeadow.

Speaking after penning the improved deal, Arnautovic said:

I want to say to the fans that I’m happy to stay, I glad to play again, show myself and score goals, to make assists, but also to say that the major point is Marko Arnautovic never refused [to play or train].

I want to stop all this noise and focus on my job, to play football, and the fans hopefully are going to support us in every game that we play and we keep on winning games.

Believe me, it was terrible for myself to sit at home and watch the team against Bournemouth because I couldn’t affect it. It was a very bad feeling for myself and I felt kind of mad, angry at myself because I couldn’t help the team.

But I’m back, and I will give everything now here. We go again on Tuesday, against Wolverhampton away, and I want to play and am hungry to score goals.

The Austrian was certainly missed on Saturday as several of his team-mates – including two understudies in his position – delivered woeful performances against a side currently sitting bottom of League One.

Andy Carroll (£5.4m) and Javier Hernandez (£6.1m) were given the nod to lead the line as Manuel Pellegrini deployed a 4-4-2 against their lower-league opponents but both strikers were ineffectual, save for a deflected effort from the Mexican that hit the post early in the first half.

The Hammers failed to register a single shot on target before the break and trailed 2-0 at the interval, prompting Manuel Pellegrini into a triple change: Carroll, central midfielder Pedro Obiang (£4.3m) and right-winger Grady Diangana (£4.5m) being replaced by Lucas Perez (£6.2m), Felipe Anderson (£7.3m) and the fit-again Ryan Fredericks (£4.5m).

Those substitutions saw Michail Antonio (£6.8m) moved up from right-back to the right of midfield, Anderson take up his usual position on the opposite flank and Perez join Hernandez in a two-man attack.

Robert Snodgrass (£5.1m), meanwhile, shifted inside from the left wing to central midfield.

Though they fell 3-0 down soon after the restart, the Hammers started to assert more of a threat and two of their substitutes – Perez and Anderson – reduced the arrears to set up a grandstand finish.

Perez lashed home on 57 minutes after Antonio’s effort had been blocked before Anderson curled home a superb free-kick with around 20 minutes to go.

Fredericks caught the eye on his first appearance after returning from injury, linking up well with Antonio on the right flank, though Arthur Masuaku (£4.3m) and Adrian’s dismal displays will surely only serve to consolidate Aaron Cresswell (£5.0m) and Lukasz Fabianski‘s (£4.8m) hold on their positions in the Premier League.

It should be noted that the regular centre-back pairing of Issa Diop (£4.3m) and Angelo Ogbonna (£4.2m) were selected for this cup tie and the fact that they were at the heart of a defence that shipped four goals to a struggling League One outfit will encourage Fantasy managers who own Wolves assets ahead of the Hammers’ trip to Molineux on Tuesday.

Pellegrini was seething about his side’s first-half showing in particular:

Was I angry at half-time? Yes, of course, I was ashamed of them.

It’s very easy to explain what happened: it was one team who wanted to win and another team who played without any desire or any ambition to win or continue in this cup.

Maybe we thought we were going to win because we are a Premier League team and they are in League One, but Wimbledon played with the desire to compete in this cup. In the first 45 minutes, we didn’t fight.

It’s very frustrating because you can be eliminated, but not in the way we were. It’s a disaster.

West Ham United XI (4-4-2): Adrian; Antonio, Diop, Ogbonna, Masuaku; Diangana (Anderson 45′), Noble, Obiang (Fredericks 45′), Snodgrass; Carroll (Perez 45′), Hernandez.

Millwall 3-2 Everton

  • Goals: Richarlison, Cenk Tosun
  • Assists: Andre Gomes, Gylfi Sigurdsson

Marco Silva fumed at the lack of VAR usage in Everton’s defeat to Millwall on Saturday evening, with the Lions’ second goal having been handled into the net by Jake Cooper.

The Toffees’ boss said:

If we are to be fair with all the clubs you have to be fair with the competition and also you have to do it for all the games. 

It doesn’t make sense. Now we go home with big frustration. I am not here just to be angry with the referee but it is true.

You have to be fair with the competition and not just Everton Football Club because we play here with the competition.

It was a clear handball in the moment. The players they saw and went to speak with the assistant and afterwards thousands of people saw on the big screen.

I think they look also [at the screen] and the referee looks also. We have to be fair with all the clubs and put VAR in all the stadiums.

The controversy over the Lions’ second equaliser masked familiar failings in Everton’s game, however: a weakness at dead-ball situations and a lack of inspiration in attack.

All three of Millwall’s goals stemmed from set plays, while Everton only managed three shots on target all game: goals from Richarlison (£6.8m) and Cenk Tosun (£6.5m) plus an innocuous long-distance effort from Gylfi Sigurdsson (£7.3m) in stoppage time.

With Dominic Calvert-Lewin (£5.3m) given the nod to lead the line, Richarlison was back on the left flank but the Brazilian did little of note to impress in a 90-minute showing – save for his goal that owed more to a deflection and suspect handling from Millwall goalkeeper Jordan Archer than it did to Richarlison’s brilliance.

Sigurdsson also banked an attacking return with an assist for Tosun’s 72nd-minute strike but the Icelandic midfielder was just as below-par in a static front four, with Ademola Lookman (£5.1m) also unable to influence proceedings on the right flank.

Everton’s defence were actually largely unruffled in open play, with only one of Millwall’s six attempts on goals not coming from a set-piece.

No Premier League side has conceded more chances from dead-ball situations in the last six Gameweeks, however, and the Toffees’ frailties at corners and free-kicks were again in evidence at the Den.

Shaun Hutchinson had a header cleared off the line even before Millwall scored a hat-trick of goals from free-kicks, with two of those situations arising from senseless fouls by Lucas Digne (£5.3m).

The Toffees lost Yerry Mina (£5.4m) to injury at the break, with the Colombian said to have picked up a knock.

Fantasy managers now face a dilemma over whether to lump on Everton’s underperforming assets ahead of Double Gameweek 25 with a blank just around the corner.

On the evidence of the Toffees’ defeat in south London on Saturday, very few of their players are making a case for inclusion in our squads.

Everton XI (4-2-3-1): Pickford; Coleman, Keane, Mina (Zouma 45′), Digne; Gueye, Gomes; Calvert-Lewin (Tosun 65′), Sigurdsson, Lookman (Walcott 79′); Richarlison.

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2,169 Comments Post a Comment
  1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    This he got a touch

  2. Numb
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Looked like a good tackle to me

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      It's those short shorts.

  3. El-Kloppico
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Poch taking swipe at Klopp by saying at least Spurs are in all 4 cups, will.come bite him in his arse now that he's been kicked off in 2 cups in 1 week.

    1. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Klopp, so far, has got it right by getting dumped out the cups. Has allowed his squad to have a mid season break before the fixtures come thick and fast. We'll see at the end of the season if it pays off.

  4. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    VAR I love you.

  5. Now I'm Panicking
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Lineker and Shearer getting ready to disagree with whatever VAR decision is.

  6. MagicMessi
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Playing free hit next week and do Kun>Auba now
    or
    leave Kun ?
    thanks cheers

  7. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Decision overturned. No penalty.

  8. Team Cruel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Excellent tackle by Luiz tbf.

    1. Numb
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Racist

      1. Ross From Friends
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        SJW?

  9. Numb
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Why didn’t Sheff contest the drop ball?

    1. Pasqualinho
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Why was it a drop ball? Looked like Ampadu got a kick so Chelsea free kick looked the correct decision to me.

      1. Numb
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I don’t know but it was

        1. Pasqualinho
          • 15 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Good enough explanation for me. Let’s carry on.

  10. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Another penalty

  11. SPorting
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Don’t mention the VAR

  12. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Now that is a pen.

  13. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Okay this one is definitely a penalty.

  14. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Higuain time?

    1. Numb
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Willy time

      1. el polako
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        This is family place.

  15. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Correct call imo, Ampadu gets to ball first

    1. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Dial-up?

  16. Team Cruel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Willian on pens

  17. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Chelsea 1-0 Sheff Weds

    Willian G

  18. Tsparkes10
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Hahahaha i love football. F the piggies

  19. SPorting
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Well that’s just rude from Willian. Absolutely HATE players who stop mid run up.

    1. Yank Revolution
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Theyre not allowed to stop from what I understand...have to maintain forward momentum...they can hesitate, but not stop

      1. SPorting
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Same thing. Just make up your mind and shoot instead of trying to make the keeper move first.

      2. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        What's the difference between stopping for half a second, and hesitating?

        1. Yank Revolution
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Because you can hesitate by slowing down your steps (your body, arms trailing leg still coming forward)...but not really coming to a full stop. Ronaldo likes to do that.

  20. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Great examples of why VAR will have zero FPL impact:

    Some pens that would have been given will be disallowed
    Some pens that would have been given will still be given
    Some pens that wouldn't have been given will be awarded

    1. SPorting
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      But that statement means VAR would have an impact.

    2. Yank Revolution
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Counterpoint in your logic:

      "Some pens that wouldn't have been given will be awarded"

      That means more pens.

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        What if "Some pens that would have been given will be disallowed" = "Some pens that wouldn't have been given will be awarded"?

        1. Yank Revolution
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Then that equals out, but it isnt what he said, is it? It was missing the sentence...

          "Some pens that would have been given will not be awarded"

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Depends on the percentage of each of those points though innit.

    4. Team Cruel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Those things are called having an impact.

    5. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Some teams who deserve to win, will win.

    6. pablo discobar
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Lol, are you high?

    7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I should elaborate lol there should be zero FPL impact for penalty takers overall - penalty takers should be no more and no less valuable overall than in a pre-VAR world, as VAR should not increase or decrease the total amount of penalties awarded

  21. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Var is going to be fun next season

    1. StayoutheSpiceZone
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I hate VAR personally, but I suppose you can’t argue with that Wednesday ‘pen’ being overturned. Hope it will just be used for clear and obvious

    2. Yank Revolution
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Come to the Dark Side, Revival...it's great for the game and sorely needs it...not enough human eyeballs to get calls correct...

  22. StayoutheSpiceZone
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Newcastle 0-5 City midweek?

    1. F4L
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      if Rafa sets up like he did last season, then just 0-1 or 0-2 probably

      1. StayoutheSpiceZone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Yes that’s what I fear too

    2. El-Kloppico
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Rafa knows how to defend big teams. Not 5.. no way.

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Yeah.

      1. StayoutheSpiceZone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        What u reckon Liverpool vs Leicester?

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          2-0

        2. StayoutheSpiceZone
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Puel has parked the bus against big teams too

          1. StayoutheSpiceZone
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            Bournemouth vs Chelsea most goals then?

  23. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    hello all

    How many double players does everyone have for gw25 then ?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      7

      1. StayoutheSpiceZone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I currently have 3. May go to 4. I have Digne, will not be adding anymore Everton players that’s for sure!

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Do you genuinely think he has 7?

          1. StayoutheSpiceZone
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            No I was replying to original post

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • 14 Years
              5 years, 4 months ago

              ah ok

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Yeah, wouldn't be buying Everton players for sure.

    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      just 2 city probably

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        thanks

    3. MarcusAurelius
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Iv got 4
      Sané Aguero Rich and Digne.
      I think that’s enough considering they all blank in 27

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        cheers.

    4. El-Kloppico
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      3 max. Will need ti get rid or bench for gw27

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        yep

    5. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      The max.

    6. Amey
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      2
      Digne+Siggy 😛

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        no city ?

        1. Amey
          • 5 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Nope.
          Don't know whom to get.
          Don't wanna let go hazard
          May go with Auba to Kun for one gw but not sure about it

          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            i have sane and possibly could do salah to sterling, still undecided right now though 🙂

            1. Amey
              • 5 Years
              5 years, 4 months ago

              Don't do that.
              Salah away @ WH can easily outscore them

    7. Yank Revolution
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      1. May get one more, maybe. That is not the week to go DGW crazy

      1. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        city rotation has to be a big factor. could do salah to sterling but then sterling might only play one game then will need salah back !

        1. StayoutheSpiceZone
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Sterling will play both if city are still in the race. Pep may do some tinkering but mahrez has burnt his bridges imo

          1. Ajax Hamsterdam
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            ok thanks

    8. Goat
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Digne and Rich. Gonna buy Sane tonight as I have exact money

    9. Sandy Ravage
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Sane, Sterling & Ederson

  24. Lucackadoodledoo
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Alonso is class

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      What did he do now?

      1. SPorting
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Hasn’t conceded yet

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          If only this was for FPL.

    2. Shineonme
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Really?

  25. Silecro
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Was that Willian trying to give pen to Higuain but he rejected?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Looks like it.

    2. Team Cruel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      He's a known choker so no surprise he rejected.

    3. el polako
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      That's not a sign of confident striker.

      Maybe if he tried to give him a doughnut.... ?

      1. Silecro
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        probably knew that morata opened his chelsea account with a pen miss so..didnt want to repeat that pattern xD

  26. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Higuain bottled taking a pen?

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Hardly. Wouldn't want to chance missing a penalty on a debut TBH.

      1. Amey
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        That means he ain't confident imo

    2. SPorting
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Nah, Willian was chosen before the game so that’s what they stuck to.

  27. Vobinho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Is it just me or it looks like the only strong chance of a blank in GW31 is United v City, will all the other games really up in the air.

    If Brighton, Watford, Wolves and Palace fail to make the QF's then we are only left with two blank fixtures.

    Those sides aren't great - quite a possibility they all play in GW31 if they're given tough draws against Utd, City and Chelsea.

    That would really mean chips would have next to no use at all.

    1. Amey
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Agreed

    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      FH in GW 27 a possibility

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Throw the chips away.

    4. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Not looking good for my GW31 FH strategy :/

      But then maybe Brighton, Watford, Wolves, Palace and Chelsea will all make the QFs...

      Looking great!

      1. Vobinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Doesn't look good, makes the draw for the next round very interesting!

  28. Monkey Hanger
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Every game I see with VAR in place, the more it seems that next years FPL will be won by the team that can get the most penalty takers in it.

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      The ref gave 2 penalties today. Because of VAR there was only 1.

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        In this game I mean, not today.

    2. El-Kloppico
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Who is buying Ramos then?

    3. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Salah, Pogba, Hazard, Siggy, Mili
      Kane, Deeney, King

      1. diesel001
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Vardy for Deeney actually.

  29. SPorting
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Just what is an Ampadu anyway?

    1. Monkey Hanger
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      South American mammal. 🙂

    2. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      watt?

    3. Yank Revolution
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      A character in Preacher

  30. Silecro
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    PL needs a "Granqvist" ...defender penalty taker with somewhat regular 15 pointers

    1. SPorting
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      We need a new Baines.

    2. El-Kloppico
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Ramos

    3. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      A goalkeeper who takes them be even better, and can even save an odd penalty too for a 20+ points haul

    4. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Like Gareth Bale as a 4.5m defender all those years ago