Fantasy League

How to prepare for a Fantasy League auction

Last week we alerted you to the relaunch of Fantasy League for the 2019/20 season, with a Q&A with founder Andrew Wainstein and an introduction to the long-running auction-based game.

For those looking to master Fantasy League, we’re lucky enough to have an in-house expert – Fantasy Football Scout site user Clouseau – to help us out.

Clouseau’s previous article looked at the merits and basics of auction-based Fantasy Football based on his two decades of experience playing the Fantasy League game.

This latest feature is the first of a two-part piece which will look in more detail at how to have an effective auction – from prepping in advance through to the big night itself.

Take it away, Clouseau…

The Scene-Setter…

First of all, let me give you the context of this article. For a lot of what you’re about to read, you should put FPL from your mind. Although the advice in this piece should translate to any auction-based fantasy game, I’m looking at it from the perspective of playing Fantasy League (FL), using their traditional scoring system.

Where I talk about FL points, this is based upon three points for a goal and two points for an assist, both irrespective of the scorer’s position, and, for goalkeepers and defenders, one point for an appearance, two points for a clean sheet with -1 point for every goal conceded.

There are no bonus points and, for goalkeepers, no points for saves/penalty saves. Fortunately, there are also no minus points for cards or penalty misses. Furthermore, whilst your league can select any number of permitted transfers, I am assuming that just 20 are allowed for the course of the season, with a starting squad of 15. This puts the focus very much upon the auction rather than your ability to constantly swap players in and out.

Think Long Term!

The principal thing you need to understand if you are a veteran of FPL, but have never played the auction-style before, is that you are looking to select a squad for the full season. As a result of this, you should try to forget about fixtures and Season Tickers because, ideally, all your players will play every team home and away.

Understanding the Player List

Most of the things which make good outfield players good FPL players also make them good Fantasy League players. That’s the good news. What’s slightly less good news is that I tried to do some rudimentary comparisons and analysis to see if there was a common margin/denominator by which FPL points convert readily to FL points; there isn’t. I also specifically said outfield players because goalkeepers throw up a lot of anomalies which I will discuss a little further down.

What I’ve managed to do is break it down by category (and for the purposes of this I have amalgamated full-backs and centre-backs, which are separate categories in Fantasy League, into an amorphous group) and, based mostly on FPL’s ‘premium’ and upper-mid-range players (I may have swapped a few players in and out of the list based on expectations for the coming season), I came up with the following average margins by which FPL points convert to FL points:

Strikers (priced 8.0 and up): 2.7
Midfielders (priced 7.0 and up): 3.6
Defenders (priced 5.5 and up): 4.3
Goalkeepers (priced 5.5 and up): 5.2

Put simply, if your striker scores you 200 FPL points, you can expect them to get you around 74 FL points. However, remember that these are based on averages and the very best players will have margins lower than the average due to their scoring the majority of their points through goals, assists and clean sheets; as an example, both Sergio Aguero and Trent Alexander-Arnold had margins of 2.5. Salah and Sterling had margins of 2.9 and 3.0 respectively, due to their playing in teams which kept a lot of clean sheets and, therefore, got additional points for them in FPL, but still much lower than the mean for midfielders.

Goalkeepers are the real outliers and, with them, it’s doubly important that you understand the difference between a good FPL goalie and a good Fantasy League stopper; remember, there are no points for saves/penalty saves or bonus.

Let me use two examples from last season: Lukasz Fabianski and David de Gea. Fabianski was the fifth-highest-scoring goalkeeper in FPL with 143 points. In Fantasy League he was the 21st ‘best’ goalkeeper with a massive score of -3 points; you’d have been better off picking a non-playing goalkeeper for the season. De Gea similarly scored 120 points in FPL, making him equal-ninth best, but got -2 in FL.

With goalkeepers, notwithstanding De Gea’s horror show last season, you are best sticking to those from the top six clubs and, after that, looking to clubs you hope will keep things tight at the back, not ship a cricket score too frequently and pick up the occasional clean sheet. Don’t be tempted by keepers in sides you know will have shots rained in on them like it’s the Alamo, but where you expect them to make 25 saves a game. That will just end in tears.

Sensible Prices

My first piece talked about setting yourself reasonable maxima for players so that you don’t end up in a bidding war with someone over a player that you both ‘must have’, where you go way beyond what represents good value for money (VFM).

I’m not saying that you should always stick rigidly to your pre-auction plans, and sometimes you’ll have to sacrifice a player you really wanted in order to secure four of the other five upon which you’d set your heart, but remember, your pot of money has to get you the whole squad, not just a couple of players, and whilst there will be those you can pick up for free or for not a great deal, it’s a brave manager who goes all-in on only a handful of players and has 14+ slots to fill with the dregs.

When doing your auction prep, it’s worth thinking about how much players may go for in order that you can sketch out a potential squad for yourself. In my experience, the table below sets out the approximate costs for players by position and ‘quality’, based on % of auction budget (I’ve gone with this rather than absolute prices as different leagues will set different starting budgets):

 

The VFM point above is one I consider to be imperative in having a successful auction and you should always be conscious of the point at which no player is worth the amount you’ll have to spend. No player is guaranteed to score you a certain number of points and whilst certain players increase the likelihood of big scores, these have to be looked at relative to prices and points for other players.

Consider the top three Liverpool scorers from last season: Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Alexander-Arnold who scored 90, 82 and 75 points respectively in Fantasy League. Salah went for 28% of someone’s pot at my auction, whereas Robertson and Alexander-Arnold went for 10% and 4% respectively. Clearly that won’t happen again but I would expect Salah to be around 32% and the full-backs to be a maximum of 16% each. Based on last season’s scores, the two defenders would get you 157 points to Salah’s 90. Now, of course, this vastly oversimplifies the argument. For starters, it overlooks the fact that you’d have another player, picked up for free, to sit alongside Salah when working out how many points your 32% of budget had bought you. However, the chances of your picking up a freebie who will score you at least 67 points are very, very low. I’m not saying it can’t happen (I remain smug to this day that I picked up an unknown Michael Owen for free at the 1997/98 auction) but just bear in mind when you set yourself an eye-watering budget for a big player that you may be better off spreading the money around.

Starters vs Substitutes

Although picking players you expect to start matches is a good starting point, appreciate that it matters less in Fantasy League where there are, for example, no appearance points for midfielders and forwards. Impact subs at good clubs can easily outscore regular starters in lesser teams.

Leroy Sane is a great example of this. He currently sits in just 3% of FPL squads, reflecting his lack of certainty of starts, even though he was the 10th-highest scoring FPL midfielder. Last season in Fantasy League, he was the fifth-highest-scoring midfielder (and 18th highest in any position) and rightly went for 16% at the auction. Good players playing only 15 minutes per match can easily outscore 90 minutes per match from lesser players or those at lower-placed clubs.

Squad Structure

With Fantasy League giving you up to seven substitute berths (on the Legend package; the squad is fixed at 15 players for Novice and Pro), over which there are no positional restrictions, it can be very tempting to load up on strikers; you can, in principle, have up to ten of them with the Legend package.

A wiser move is to spread your substitutes around: for example, assuming that your starting XI is a 4-3-3 formation, having three strikers, three midfielders and a defender on your bench. There’s no perfect structure until your squad is forming but this is the sort of ballpark for which I aim in my pre-auction prep. Of course, you should keep an open mind and you should never limit yourself by enforcing a certain structure; to use an extreme example, you would never turn down the chance to get Aguero for a good price because you already had your ideal number of strikers, particularly if you were only missing a midfielder from your subs and the only options left in that category were players who only their mothers had heard of.

The caveat I give to this advice is that Fantasy Football is a game loaded with schadenfreude and, in the case of auction-based Fantasy Football, spoiling tactics. Every player you own is a player denied to everyone else. If the average number of strikers per manager is six, your taking ten means that you’ve removed four [presumably] desirable strikers from the pool who are now not available to your fellow managers.

The same can apply to goalkeepers. As you’ll see from my analysis of points by position in Fantasy League vs FPL, good goalkeepers are more of a rarity in the former than they are in the latter. Whilst a second goalkeeper (I would never advise getting a third keeper!) is rarely a boon from a points-scoring perspective, it can leave one of your opposition managers with the unpalatable choice of a goalie who will likely leak goals like a rusty bucket or one who will only ever be played by his club in League Cup games.

Caveat Emptor…..

….. or ‘buyer beware’ for those of you who aren’t lawyers and/or versed in Latin. If you spend your precious money on a player who is crocked or is halfway out of the door, you kiss that money goodbye. Therefore, even if you do very little prep in the run-up to the auction, five minutes of last-minute cramming may well save your season. Check the latest injury situation.

I’m not saying don’t aim to buy players who are currently injured for the short term (see above for ‘think long term’ with your acquisitions), but be aware with your VFM calculations that being out until the end of September means seven games will be missed, almost 20% of the total season.

Similarly, check the gossip columns. The BBC does a handy daily round-up of all the stories from the main papers and outlets, and whilst if every transfer ‘story’ came true half the players around the world would be playing for three clubs simultaneously, you should still bear them in mind.

I learned the painful way 20 years ago when I spent one-third of my auction pot on Jimmy-Floyd Hasselbaink after he’d had that stellar season with Leeds, only for him to run off to Atletico, leaving me with a gaping hole in my squad and not a penny of my huge investment returned. Back then, I’d have had to buy a paper every day to know this; nowadays, with the proliferation of news and gossip through multiple, free outlets, there’s no excuse for not knowing the latest.

Finally….. Make Lists, Lots of Lists

Lists will smooth and caress your passage to the successful end of your auction. Ok, that may be a slight exaggeration, but lists help with focus in preparation and can act as a vital crutch during the auction, particularly towards the end when your player list, printed from the Fantasy League website, is getting harder and harder to read.

Break down by position the players you really want and maybe break them down again by premium, mid and low; you’ll probably want to ensure that you get at least one from the premium column and avoid delving into the low column as much as possible.

Print out at least two copies of the player list to take with you: one to keep on top where you’ll cross off players as they are bought, and one hidden underneath (away from prying eyes) where you’ll highlight the players you want, preferably using different highlighter pens to denote must-haves, highly desirables and ‘have at a push’.

I will be looking at how to tackle the auction night itself in the not-too-distant future so watch this space.

Clouseau Serious (for which you can read \'stressy\') fantasy football fan. Have been playing the auction-based version with its unique squads (fantasyleague.com) for over 20 years but more recently branched out into FPL. Follow me on Twitter @FFSClouseau

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  1. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hi....this is my latest draft. How does it look? Thanks

    Pope button
    TAA VVD coleman zinchenko kelly
    Salah sterling Fraser gros dendonker
    Vardy king Greenwood

    Thanks

    1. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Excellent! Do prefer Pérez to Gross, but perhaps risky doubling up on Lei. Also Digne over Coleman but there's nowhere to get 0.5 🙁

    2. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      King on the bench? Waste

    3. Ady87
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It shows what a sorry state of affairs United are in when you aren't worried about losing a 3rd spot to a £4.5m forward. 🙁

      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        It's a 4 4 2. So king isn't on the bench.

        Don't want to double up on Leicester to start and feel vardy the man to have.

        Would like digne over coleman but can't afford. Greenwood is likely to feature for United....thanks

    4. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Good team mate. Slightly different than the template but not too much.

      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers mate....not too different from template is it??

    5. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I had Coleman/Zinc but changed one into Laporte and downgraded the other. Feels and looks awesome

  2. SADIO SANÉ
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    anyone actually thinking of starting with Pukki? the mother of all hedges for Liverpool defence-doublers and has Newcastle at home up next

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Surely with those opening fixtures you want to wait?

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        2 and 4 are decent, 3 could be if Frank has a mare

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Nah. Means fart in Hungarian so I don’t want a guy who’s just got air in my team.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        😀

        29G 10A of air though

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Seriously?
          Well then ill let him stink up my team.

          1. Whazza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Hah, last season was crazy. He has never performed like that and the guy is 29

            1. Rupert The Horse
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Never heard of him.

              1. Whazza
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                He has played for Sevilla, Schalke and Celtic but never really broke through. Went to play in Denmark for Brondby and scored 20 and 17 goals last two seasons before taking the Championship by storm

                1. Rupert The Horse
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  Thanks a lot!

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Will probably do better than king over those first two

    4. Holteenderinthesky
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Fixtures are awful with much better 6.5 midfielders and forwards. Probably become an option around GW6, can't see him scoring more than 2 in the first 5 weeks.

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        2!? Newcastle and West Ham are shite 😀

      2. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        More than 2 in 5 weeks!!! What are your expectations of s 6.5? Anyone on King for instance should bite your hand off for that

        1. Holteenderinthesky
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I'm on King and yes I'd be disappointed by two goals in the first 5. My point is King at 6.5 offers the higher chance of goals due to fixtures. You have to go on fixtures at the start of the season IMO. I said two for Pukki being generous

          1. pingissimus
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            King is very close to reverse oop when Wilson is on the pitch and penalty dependent for returns. And well there’s a small crossover between penalties and good fixtures.

            3 goals in the first 5 seems optimistic.

    5. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It’s crossed my mind. Is he on pens? If so don’t see he’s any worse than King and perhaps better given the home to Newcastle fixture

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        nah don't think he's on pens, they did score a lot of goals last year though

    6. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Good point about the hedge...

      But I'm not feeling it personally.... That defence led by VVD and Allison will surely be tighter than a ducks arse, and I think Perez's price looks wrong at 6.5 so don't want to be chopping & changing

  3. Ady87
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Think I'm there

    Ryan
    TAA Robertson KWP
    Salah Sterling Lucas Perez
    Wilson Deulofeu Murray

    Subs: Button Reid Kelly Dend

    £1.0m ITB for a rainy day.

    1. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A city defender will outscore Murray by 50+ points maybe even 100 as I cant see him being first choice.

      1. Ady87
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        He wasn't first choice for chunks of last season and got 13 goals, way more points than most of City's defence, bar 2. They also have a good fixture run off the bat?

      2. mikess
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I agree with this

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It’s raining on your forwards. They’re a bit poo except Wilson, also Murray not nailed looks like Andone will be first choice from pre season line ups. Would want 2 starters on bench personally but overall decent

      1. Ady87
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Murray started 2 of the 3 and scored, what does that tell us versus Andone?

    3. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Your bench defenders are the rainy day. Upgrade one to a 4.5

      1. jayzico
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Screw the bench until the season starts. Just field the best team you can first. IMO

    4. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I don't. KWP can't be trusted with no playing defender on the bench.

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Looks set to start the first game but after that I would worry unless WCGW3 like me x

        1. Ady87
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Resident office Spurs fan reckons he's going to get more than 1 start or I wouldn't have stuck him in. Could be sabotage though, ML rival and all.

          1. Whazza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Too risky going with both him and Moura imo.

    5. Ady87
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      One at a time 😮

      So are you saying go 4-4-2 and just scrap Murray for Zinc for example? I want the money to move Lucas to Son so that's why it's not spent.

      I thought Reid had been getting minutes for West Ham and was looking likely to start? If there is rotation at Spurs and I move KWP to an Everton defender I can't see me needing that player, 2 Liverpool and more than Reid for example.

      1. Now I'm Panicking
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        All people will tell you to do on here is get rid of your non-template players and replace them with template players.

        1. Robson-Canoe
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          How dare you call everyone out

          1. Now I'm Panicking
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Sorry - shouldn't have made the sweeping generalisation, but the majority will always suggest the template route 🙂

    6. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Stick with your guns. KWP is only issue because i think Foyth will take the spot . The rest is bang on

      Pointless asking here because unless it's template like every one else's you are going to get shouted down. At least you picked your own team 😉 . Let everyone else pick each other's

    7. Klein
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Who do you think will do better at brighton? I am going Trossard myself.

  4. Krupinho
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    First timer here

    So think I have finally settled on a squad and opting for a 4-3-3 (to start with anyway).

    Gone for a premium defence

    Not sure on whether to have 2 keepers, or go with one regular and Button as none playing cheap keeper

    Thoughts?

    Lloris
    Digne VVD TAA Laporte
    Zaha Salah (c) B Silva
    Kane Jota King

    Button Kelly Hayden Dendoncker

    1. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Looks great, would definitely go Lloris & Button.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Monitor the Zaha-situation though, he won't be happy unless he gets a move

      2. Krupinho
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Zaha wasn't sure about due to playing at AFCON. But if he moves to Gooners, may be a quality buy up front

      3. Krupinho
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks Whazza

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I'm all over him if he moves to Arsenal. 7M is cheap for him. Good luck!

    2. HamezMace
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Lloris is good enough to be a permanent keeper.
      Team looks fine.

      1. Krupinho
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks Hamezmace

    3. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I think Bilva is too expensive for what he offers

      1. Krupinho
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Need to have some City coverage in midfield and for £8m thought he is good value and less rotation risk.

  5. falafel
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Any thoughts?

    Pope (Button)
    Van Dijk, TAA, Walker, Digne (Kelly)
    Salah, KDB, Anderson, Perez (Dendoncker)
    Jota, Kane (Greenwood)

    1. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Zinchenko is better value than Walker,
      Anderson is a punt
      Otherwise solid

    2. yakirh
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Nice team, prefer Fraser + Zinch to Walker/Anderson
      I like your nickname

      1. falafel
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Haha thanks mate!

  6. Daniel Exeter
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Who are the go to 4.5 mids this year?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      None. they're all rubbish.

    2. Robson-Canoe
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Dendoncker

  7. jayzico
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    OK now Kelly is a no go.

    Someone tell me about Norwich's Hanley?

    Folk saying he'll get the nod.

    1. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Why is Kelly now a no-go?!

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Why’s that ? And yeah should do due to injuries. Keep and eye on:
      Rico - Cohen gone so Smith has to play RB. Kelly not good enough to play there yet and Daniels old and dead.

      Lundstram - looked good playing with 1st team in CM 532 next to fleck and Norwood. Probably going more defensive this year to prepare for premier league football

    3. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Had Rico and Lundstram was my 4m guy since the start.It's a wait and see then

  8. BooYaKasha
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Pretty settled on this team, after endless tinkering,
    Thoughts?

    Ederson, (Button)
    Robertson, VVD, Coleman, Ake, (Kelly)
    Salah, Sterling, Moura, Perez, (thedonkey)
    Wilson, Jota, (Greenwood)

    10x

    1. cemal
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      really like this team, pretty similar to mine. personally I prefer TAA over Robertson. I'm not sold on Perez. Would rather have Pereyra and spend the 0.5 on Coleman --> Digne

      1. BooYaKasha
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        You think Watford games appealing for the first few?

    2. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I’d go 4.5 in goal and get Laporte myself. Also prefer TAA to Robbo but nice team.

  9. cemal
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    These 4.5 and 5 players would both be on bench majority of weeks. Which option do you prefer?

    A. Dendonker (4.5) and Mousset (5)
    B. Rice (5) and Greenwood (4.5)

    1. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B. But noble over rice

      1. falafel
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        B

    2. Sterling Malory
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A if Mousset is a starter for SHU

  10. Lovren an elevator
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Who are the best (and nailed) 5m and 5.5m midfield options?
    I'm currently thinking Norwood and Neves?

    1. jayzico
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Noble
      Jorge
      And some others that don't interest me

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Jorginho on pens? And are these guys both nailed?

    2. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      All are pretty rubish, better invest in defense to start with

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        In an auction/draft league. Will need a couple of cheap rubbish mids I'm afraid. Looking to prioritise those o pens, good call?

        1. BooYaKasha
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yes good thinking, pretty hopeful, but good

    3. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Moutinho outscored Neves.

    4. Sterling Malory
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Norwood for sure

  11. Penguin
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Guys I’ve got my team plz do not copy because it’s a winner. thank me later my darlings.

    Ryan, button

    Alonso VVD Walker pereira, Gibson

    Siggy Bernardo lucas Fraser, dendonker

    Lacazette wilson firminho

    1. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      U having a lough m8

    2. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      if we're not copying are we thanking you for being below us in the rankings?

    3. Don Kloppeone
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      sweet jaysus....

      Good luck pal

    4. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      No way thats the team you're going with.

  12. socho
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hi guys,

    Last decision for me:

    A. De Buyne and Dunk
    B. King and Laporte
    C. Wilson and AMNiles

    Appreciate it!

    1. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. cemal
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. socho
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      thank you!

    4. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

  13. Zladan
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) KDB
    B) Pogba + 1m
    C) Siggy +1.5m

    1. falafel
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If you are a non Sterling owner would definetly go for KDB

      1. Zladan
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I own Sterling. See below team in the replies.

    2. BooYaKasha
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Hard to tell without seeing your team

      1. Zladan
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        True. I suppose this needed some context.

        Ryan
        TAA VVD Digne Zinchenko
        Salah Sterling x Brooks
        King Deu

        Button Dendo Greenwood Hanley

        1. Worsle90
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          KDB would make that a good-looking team

    3. Worsle90
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KDB

    4. Holteenderinthesky
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy for me, was the 4th highest point scoring midfielder last year. Can only see him having an even better year this season. On penalties, shares set pieces with Digne and you save 1.5m.

      1. Zladan
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks, I really am drawn to him. Particularly with Everton’s fixtures.

        How would you use the 1.5m?

        Ryan
        TAA VVD Digne Zinchenko
        Salah Sterling Siggy Brooks
        King Deu

        Button Dendo Greenwood Hanley

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          You're not asking me but I would do Brooks to Fraser in a heartbeat. Then probably VVD to Robbo or just save 0.5

          1. Zladan
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            All opinions welcomed. Thanks for the input.

            A brooks upgrade is possible. I had Fraser from GW1 last year, but I just can’t bring myself to spending 7.5m on him. He probably justified it given his output last year, but I don’t see him replicating it.

            1. Whazza
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              I don't see any reason why it would change. They have the same team and manager. What was crazy about Fraser last season is that he created 28(!) big chances, after him came Hazard at 18!

        2. Holteenderinthesky
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yes you said it yourself has very decent fixtures to start with. Straight swap, King>Wilson. Or Brooks>Fraser and upgrade Hanley to a playing 4.5 with the extra .5 for cover.

          1. Zladan
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Seems Brooks to Fraser is popular. When I saw Brooks play last year, he was so direct and very promising. I feel he will outscore Fraser this year, but we will see.

            Wilson is tempting and a step closer to the Kane/Auba/Kun price point when I need it.

            I always have a fodder in defence and a starting player in Hanley means he is there unless a better starter comes to light.

            1. Holteenderinthesky
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              If you think he will outscore Fraser stick with him and save the 1m. Bench Fodder in defence is fine but if I have an extra .5 I like to upgrade a player who won't play to someone I can rotate in some times. Gives you that cushion for unexpected benchings as well

  14. Worsle90
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Do we think Rico has a fair chance of playing? Who’s in his way?

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Kelly for one. Doubt it

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Do you have some sort of stockpile for these gravs?

        1. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I store them in a briefcase buried at a secret location in the Swiss Alps

          1. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            The donkey only comes south for winter.

    2. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Has a chance but they've just signed Kelly for 13m and Adam Smith was also used at LB last season.

  15. Holteenderinthesky
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    What's everyones thoughts on this? I quite like it. May Drop Jota to Sharp and upgrade to a 4.5 defender for cover.

    Ryan
    TAA, VVD, Coleman, Dunk
    Salah, Sterling, KDB, Siggy
    King, Jota

    Button, Kelly, Dendonker, Greenwood.

    Cheers

    1. Zladan
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Very similar to mine. I wanted to ensure I had City clean sheets though. This means decreasing your midfield value.

      1. Holteenderinthesky
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I'm not sold on any of the Man city Defenders. Don't offer half as much as what Liverpool do going forward. Only possible one for me is Zinchenko, but I don't like the pick. Don't think he offers much going forward and can easily see City conceding in the first 3 games, (Teams who will actually attack). Once the 3 games have passed he could drop out to Mendy.

  16. Whazza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    The biggest reason Wilson outperformed King last season was his assists

    Wilson: Chances created 30 (Big 13) FPL assists: 12
    King: Chances created 34 (Big 10) FPL assists: 3

    Looks like they should be more evenly spread, right? They had nearly identical expected assists (xA: King 2.94 and Wilson 2.86)

    That's 9 assists difference so 9 x 3 = 27 points (bps not included)

    Wilson: Total points: 168
    King: Total points: 141

    168-141= 27 points.... Mind blown 😀

    1. Holteenderinthesky
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Decent analysis, King did around 450 minutes more though. Nearly 5 games extra and scored less.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Fair point!

        Finding it hard to believe Wilson will get 12 assists again with under 3 expected though. Overperformed massively assist-wise.

        1. Holteenderinthesky
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I don't think there will be a 1.5m difference between them. I like the fact King will probably be on penalties which with VAR could be huge at throughout the season especially at the start when everyone is getting used to it.

          1. pingissimus
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Note that Bournemouth were one of those sides who got way more than average pens last season - you need to hope that trend continues.

          2. Whazza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            I like it too, but not buying too much into King on pens thing as they usually switch when one misses

      2. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Also note how King returned in open play much better when Wilson was out - he played up top. With Wilson in he was a winger who tracked back lots and his output fell significantly in that time.

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Interesting, mind backing that up with some numbers?

          1. pingissimus
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            3 of 7 of his non penalty goals came between 21 and 27 when Wilson was basically crocked. The heat map changes completely.

            1. Whazza
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Wilson played gw21 and 23 and scored though.

              According to Transfermarkt, King played 17 games as centre-forward (6 goals) and 15 as a secondary striker (6 goals).

              Right now we're not talking about the assists though 🙂

              1. pingissimus
                • 5 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Sorry 22-27

                In that time Wilson played 70 odd minutes. I’m looking at heat maps and not positions. King in that period is in the box a lot and rarely back at half way.

                He’s fine as a pick if you’re prepared to wait for pens. Not sure I am.

                1. Whazza
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  It's no surprise he is higher up when their other striker is out though is it 🙂 King has 36 PL goals in his last three seasons so I'll happily wait for pens. He's only 6.5 after all 🙂

    2. Zladan
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      In conclusion, Wilson unexpectedly outperformed King?

      This season King could get a few extra goals given the new handball rule and VAR.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Well assist-wise Wilson definitely overperformed.
        12 assists last season, but only 2 the seasons before that, 1 the season before that and 0 the season before that. All are not full seasons but it's looking like Wilson won't reach anywhere close to 12 assists again

        1. Zladan
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          This is exactly the sort of information I like to hear to justify saving money on the Bournemouth striker.

          1. Whazza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Hah, stats are great because you can chose which ones you like.The other way of looking at it is Wilson got 12 assists and King only got 3, so why would you pick King? Now I'm just messing around 🙂

        2. pingissimus
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          More assists explained perhaps by playing further upfield comparing heat maps from different seasons.

          King was way further upfield in a consistent basis in 2017/8 and perhaps that’s why he returned better then.

          1. Whazza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Haven't looked into that, but 17/18 King got 4 assists and Wilson 2 so not a huge difference? Not sure that's worth worrying about, but 9 assists difference last season was huge for fpl

            1. pingissimus
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Agreed

              I’m likely punting on Wilson Fraser to start simply because of their huge GA involvement. I like it as Bournemouth look settled as a side and that counts for me.

              But it’s still a punt. Bournemouth are very flakey and quite capable of blowing any fixture run - they’re at root a bottom 8 side.

              Short tern move for me if I make it.

              1. Whazza
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Wilson+Fraser is the best combo, but more expensive. Nothing wrong with that. Think I'm going Fraser+King+1.5M myself. As you say they can't be trusted so going a bit cheaper, having two is risky enough.

                1. pingissimus
                  • 5 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  Part of my rationale is that Wilson Fraser adds up to Vardy plus one or more ambitiously KdB plus one. More options I’m hoping.

    3. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, stats do look like that and it’s possible that points will be more evenly spread this season. But Wilson is probably a better player, have a look at away stats... King on penalties, so might get both with those fixtures.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        No point in looking at away stats only, you will play them every game?

    4. Ramboros
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      This analysis is seriously lacking.

      First of all King is the penalty taker, meaning that every time King gets fouled in the box he's not getting an assist. Wilson however will get one. That's a big reason why King only has the same amount of FPL assists as proper assists.

      Secondly Wilson played considerably fewer minutes than King.

      Thirdly you might as well just look at the xG+xA per 90 minutes played of both players, in which case Wilson massively outnumbers King with 0.78 xG+xA/90min versus 0.54 xG+xA/90min.

      1. Whazza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        That's some great points you make, especially about the penalty assists I hadn't thought about. King having pens is not a bad thing though, goals are worth more than assists. Also they usually switch pen taker when one misses if I recall, so hard to tell who's on pens and when.

        King does manages more minutes than Wilson every season which I see as a good thing. Could it be Wilson is a little injury-prone?

        Anyway, seems like you can't go wrong with either, as it's Bournemouth I'm likely to go Fraser (who I see as their best pick) and the cheaper King.

  17. The Darkest Knight
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Is Pope Burnley's no. 1???

    1. Whazza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      We'll know closer to deadline, but looking likely

  18. cemal
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Which 8m MID is gonna get more minutes and points early on this season? Siggy or BSilva?

    1. SoccerBoi69
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Don't know.

    2. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy will play every game, Bilva fewer minutes. Points? Can't say.

    3. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Think Siggy or Rich are a must early on with Everton's early fixtures. Worth even considering the double-up. Bilva still young and could become a good FPL asset - if it happens this season, he should be easy enough to transfer in.

    4. cemal
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      it's a really tough one. I'd 100% go BSilva if you told me he wasn't gonna get rotated with Sane, Mahrez, DSilva etc

  19. I Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    So who's seriously considering the Origi punt for the first couple GWs? Decent chance he could outscore the Liverpool defenders against Norwich and Southampton.

    1. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Only if planning an early WC.

    2. Zladan
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Transfer waiting to happen and likely to be assisted by those defenders who will in turn increase their BPS chances. No from me, but nice idea.

    3. avfc82
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Not me. Too much uncertainty re Mane. Klopp hasn't ruled him out vs Norwich, and what about Brewster, could he not get the nod ahead of Origi?

  20. SoccerBoi69
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Tempted god damn it. (Is anyone DEFFO WEFFO going 'big at the back'?)

    Gunn
    TAA Digne Azpi Zinchenko Chilwell
    Salah KDB Siggy Perez
    Kane

    Someone Greenwood Dendoncker Someoneelse

    0.5ITB

  21. Winston.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A. Sterling, Perez, King or
    B. KDB, LMoura, Wilson

    Perez will probably prove to be good value, but maybe when the fixtures ease up...? Wilson worth the extra money over King ?

  22. The_Fish
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Ryan
    TAA Robbo Coleman Bednarek
    Salah Sterling Perez Gross
    Kane King

    Thoughts please?

    1. cheeky moses
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Nice. But not a big fan of the Bednarek pick. who are you rotating him with? if no rotation, I'd prob downgrade Sterling > KDB and use money to upgrade Bednarek to a city defender.

      1. The_Fish
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        No rotation unless we get a playing 4m defender.

        I've actually just realised I'm 0.5 short here...

    2. Pep Pig
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I like this mate. Nice to see a premium striker in a well balanced team.

    3. Pep Pig
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I do want Auba/King but haven't quite felt comfortable with the drafts yet.
      Currently on a 3-5-2 myself with
      Pope
      VVD Digne TAA
      Pereyra Fraser Salah Sterling Perez
      Wilson Jota
      Button Greenwood Dunk Lundstram

      The only thing I don't like about this is I'd probably have to sacrifice Sterling to bring in a premium striker

      1. Pep Pig
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Meant Auba or Kane

        1. The_Fish
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah it's a big jump from 8m to 11m. It's a tough one.

          1. Pep Pig
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            The obvious choice would be be bringing KDB and swapping Digne to Coleman. That said, it's making me like your team more 🙂

  23. Robson-Canoe
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Why hasn't King played a single minute in pre-season yet?

    1. I Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He played in their first friendly. Not sure why he missed the second one.

      1. Robson-Canoe
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Oh I missed that he played in the first one. The Girona game worries me though.

        1. I Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          He wasn't even in the squad so I'm assuming he was unavailable.

    2. Penguin
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Because Howe is going with solanke now, watched a lot of king last season he got lucky & did not impress that much he will be rotated with solanke for sure, best bet is Wilson.

  24. Richd
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hey guys. I’m pretty set on my team.

    Pope
    TAA VVD Robbo Coleman Zin
    Sterling KDB Fraser Brooks
    Kane

    Button Dendonker Greenwood Wickham

    1. Maddi Son
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Damn son!

      I need some extra swoleness in my balls to go triple Liv defence. Everything about it makes sense but feels wrong.

    2. HamezMace
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I don't generally like any teams with 2 strikers who won't play, but can't fault the first eleven

      1. The_Fish
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        As long as Kane plays, otherwise you're down to 10.

        1. HamezMace
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Well yes, but Kane is pretty safe regarding starts.

    3. Robson-Canoe
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Perez for Brooks and you're looking great

      1. Robson-Canoe
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        But watch out, even though 5-4-1 looks to make sense this year, it generally is the weakest performing out of all formations.

    4. Debauchy
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Could work but a Salah haul and a Norwich goal gw 1 and you will be amongst the 3 million bunch

    5. cheeky moses
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Also like it - you think Brooks is a better pick than King (or other 6.5 forward)?

    6. SoccerBoi69
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I just posted a similar team above. Watching Liverpool preseason has made me weary of overloading with our defence. I went down to one, probably too far, three SEEMS too much. Like your team though. Still switching between Siggy and Fraser myself...

  25. I Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) Wilson + 6.5 mid (Brooks/Perez)
    B) King + Bernardo Silva

    1. Otto8
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. Steiger
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

  26. Otto8
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hey guys

    Which 5m defender, Maitland-Niles or Walker-Peters?

    1. Robson-Canoe
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Nathan Aké

      1. Otto8
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I have him as well, but need one more solid 5m defender

        1. Robson-Canoe
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Probably KWP, but Spurs might sign another RB or he could be rotated with Aurier

    2. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      both

  27. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Pope
    TAA Zinchenko Van Dijk Digne Salah Sterling Pérez Moura

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      * Oops please ignore hit post button in error!

  28. cheeky moses
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    HEre we go - RMT please:

    Ryan
    TAA, Robbo, Digne, Coleman, Zinc
    Salah, KDB, Fraser
    Auba, DCL

    (Button, Noble, Dendonk, Greenwood)

    1. The_Fish
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A bit different, not convinced by DCL and prefer Kane to Auba.

  29. FC_Dzbany
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    RMT, please:

    Ryan
    TAA Digne Wan-B
    Salah Zaha Maddison BSilva
    Aguero Jimenez King

    Bench: 4.5, 4.0, 4.0

    Not convinced by BSilva, wondering about downgrading Jimenez to Jota (1.0 mln savings) and then maybe Digne to Coleman (0.5 mln savings) and go KdB instead of BSilva.

    Please let me know your thoughts.

    Thanks!

    1. The_Fish
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Why AWB?

      I prefer Sterling to Aguero but could go the other way.

    2. Debauchy
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Decent but my thoughts and others will be based on our drafts
      Zaha watch and wait,
      No Watford and Everton attack a problem for me

  30. Pjanić At The Disco
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Pérez or Deulofeu?

    1. The_Fish
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Perez

    2. Debauchy
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Deulo