Scout Notes

Scout Scribbles – Red Devils Fall to Defeat

Memphis Depay scores as United fall to an embarrassing defeat in Denmark. Jurgen Klopp names an unchanged side as Liverpool draw in Augsburg. Nacer Chadli nets in Spurs’ stalemate with Fiorentina, whilst team-mate Jan Vertonghen issues an injury update as he steps up his recovery from a knee injury.

United slump continues

Manchester United fell to a shock 2-1 defeat on FC Midtjylland’s home turf. To compound Louis van Gaal’s misery, David De Gea picked up a knee injury prior to kick-off and will need a scan to ascertain its severity. The Red Devils made five changes from the XI that were beaten by Sunderland, with Sergio Romero, Memphis Depay, Ander Herrera, Patrick McNair and Donald Love earning starts. Anthony Martial was deployed in the lone-striker role but struggled to exert his influence, recording a solitary blocked shot throughout the encounter.

The Scout Says: The pressure is ratcheting up on Van Gaal following another lamentable performance under his tenure. The Europa League is fast becoming the Red Devils’ best shot of gaining entry into next season’s Champions League – given that the winners are afforded that privilege – so they’ll be forced to field an experienced outfit for the return leg next week. Speculation aside, De Gea’s standout performances between the sticks are the chief reason why Man United lay claim to the joint-third best defence (24 goals conceded) this season, so his absence would significantly reduce our confidence in their clean-sheet prospects. Nonetheless, the 4.3-priced Sergio Romero would still offer great value if he’s required to step in for the Spaniard for a prolonged period of time. Up front, Van Gaal’s decision to field Martial in the lone striker role as a result of Wayne Rooney’s injury boosts the young Frenchman’s chances ahead of three home matches in four (ARS, WAT, wba, CPL). Martial has bagged two goals and an assist in his last three league outings now, though would-be suitors should at least wait until Monday evening – if United beat Shrewsbury in the FA Cup, their Gameweek 30 fixture against Palace will need to be postponed and rescheduled.

Chadli nets in Spurs stalemate

Mauricio Pochettino rang the changes as Tottenham Hotspur recorded a 1-1 victory in the away leg of their Europa League tie against Fiorentina. Kyle Walker, Danny Rose, Harry Kane, Mousa Dembele and Eric Dier all dropped to the bench, but the latter three were called upon in the second period. Nacer Chadli converted from the penalty spot to open the scoring in Florence -with Kane off the pitch, the Belgian looks to be second in line for spot-kicks.

After the match, the Spurs boss discussed his rotation policy as the north London club battle for silverware on three fronts:

It is important to play with the squad. We have a strong squad to try to fight for every competition, we need to use all of the squad. I am happy with all of the players. “Six changes from the City game and I’m happy, it is not important to talk about using the squad. It is important how we compete, we have big motivation.”

The Scout Says: Spurs play host to Crystal Palace in the FA Cup this weekend, before inviting Fiorentina to White Hart Lane next Thursday – taking last night’s fixtures into consideration, they are essentially playing three matches at a point where league leaders Leicester are without a fixture. In light of their congested schedule, the Lilywhites will be relieved that their next league match is a home tie against Swansea City, ensuring that they remain within the capital. Considering that Harry Kane has featured in all but one of Tottenham’s fixtures across all competitions this season, his 40% ownership will hope that Pochettino continues to manage his minutes over the next week. That being said, he’s exhibited few signs of fatigue of late, ranking joint-top for goals (four), joint-fourth for attempts (14) and joint-top for shots on target (eight) among forwards since Gameweek 23.

Vertonghen pinpoints comeback date

Tottenham’s Jan Vertonghen rolled out an injury update as he steps up his recovery from the knee problem sustained against Palace in Gameweek 23:

“They (the medical team) always give you a timeframe to come back and the target of the injured player coming back is always to beat that time. I’m out of the brace now and I can walk again so I improve every day. It’s hard work and it will take time. I’m aiming to be back around the international break and I want to be part of the team and help however I can.”

The Scout Says: Given that the international break is between Gameweeks 31-32, it looks likely that Kevin Wimmer is in line to retain his role alongside Toby Alderweireld in the heart of defence for the next five league matches at least. Priced at 4.6, the Austrian has started each of the last three in a run that’s seen Spurs concede just once – he now offers a cheap, short-term route into the league’s tightest defence ahead of clashes against Swansea, West Ham, Arsenal, Villa and Bournemouth prior to Vertonghen’s mooted comeback date.

Inconsistent Reds draw blank

For the first time since taking the Anfield reins, Jurgen Klopp named an unchanged starting XI. The German rolled out the same 4-2-3-1 set-up that eviscerated Aston Villa last weekend, yet Liverpool failed to replicate that attacking verve as they played out a goalless stalemate at Augsburg. Daniel Sturridge lead the line for 68 minutes, while Philippe Coutinho lasted the distance in Germany.

After the match, Klopp conceded that last night’s disappointing draw is likely to have an effect on his team sheet for next Thursday’s return leg – which takes place just three days before Liverpool’s Capital One Cup final against Man City:

“A strong team in second leg? Yes, I think so. Maybe it’s a different team, but we should not think too much about the final. I will not ignore it (the final) of course but it doesn’t complicate my plans. We should be concentrated Thursday and Sunday will take care of itself”.

The Scout Says: Although the Reds will fancy their chances of progressing to the round of 16 following the draw, it did illustrate their inconsistency on the attacking front; despite scoring three against Arsenal, five against Norwich City and six against Villa across the previous seven Gameweeks, Klopp’s charges also posted a trio of blanks. Looking beyond their blank next Gameweek, Liverpool’s schedule through to Gameweek 32 (blank, MCI, cry, CHE, sou, TOT) pits them against many of the league’s form defences and despite failing to score, the Reds’ boss will be delighted that Sturridge has navigated another match without a setback. Roberto Firmino owners will be a little worried, though – after thriving as a “false nine” in a 4-3-3, he’s now fired just one attempt on goal in the two matches with Sturridge back on board as a result of Klopp’s switch to 4-2-3-1. At the back, though, successive clean sheets boosts our faith in a defence that had previously conceded in five of the previous six. Given that they are without a league fixtures in Gameweek 27, those holding the Reds assets will now hope that Man City beat Chelsea in the FA Cup this weekend, thus ensuring that the Merseysiders’ clash with the champions in Gameweek 30 remains in place.

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  1. Ziro Becomes One
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    A long wait till the cup matches still. 🙁

    1. Prøphet
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Maybe i should work.

      1. djenzio
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        nah

    2. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      It's a long time since I was actually looking forward to Cup games..

    3. Sepp Blattered
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Truth

    4. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Zzzzzz

  2. AGUEROOOOO!!!!!
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone know when fa cup replays will take place? Can we have more blanks before gw30 due to replays. Thanks

    1. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      GW27

  3. fusen
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    How many injuries will happen this weekend?

    1. Prøphet
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Hoping 0

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Hopefully 0, realistically 4-6

    3. Sepp Blattered
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      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Go to a psychic

  4. Mr. Grv
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    No victories yet for any english club . ok.

    1. Prøphet
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Maybe a few will win in the FA cup.

      1. President John F. Keninnsie
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Cue 8 draws.

        1. Prøphet
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Thats why i said Maybe 😛

    2. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      "Best League in the World!" - not influenced by Sky whatsoever.

      1. BadgersBoys
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        This.

      2. Sepp Blattered
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        • 14 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Entertainment on point.. Not best quality

        1. Cradders
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Ahh yes this is what I just said below. Completely agree with English league being the most entertaining, qualitywise though I don't know tbh because if you consider our top 6, they should come out on top v the top 6 in Germany losing one or two (Dortmund/Bayern)

          1. Sepp Blattered
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            8 years, 3 months ago

            Wolfsburg, Schalke..

            1. Cradders
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Yeah they're great teams but I'd hope Arsenal and Spurs etc could beat them.
              Say going by last seasons table you'd have:

              Munich v Chelsea
              Wolfsburg v City
              Monchengladbach v Arsenal
              Leverkusen v United
              Augsberg v Spurs
              Schalke v Liverpool

              tbf looking at that now I'd probably say it'd finish 3-3

              1. Sepp Blattered
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                8 years, 3 months ago

                4-2 here personally to Germany

    3. Best League In The World?
      Sepp Blattered
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      8 years, 3 months ago

      La Liga - Best league in the world.
      Followed by Germany, Italy then England.

      There's a reason why we're losing the fourth place for Champs League soon.

      1. oghash
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Would have to disagree with this, have you watched much Italian football recently? Stand league games I mean, not European

        1. Sepp Blattered
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          Juventus, Inter, Napoli, Roma just name a few who out do PL clubs for last 5 years.

      2. Jazz!
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        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        BPL is definitely the most competitive league in the world. The others are 2 horse races (if not 1).

        1. Irish Madridista ⭐
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Not true at all, England has only had competitiveness at the top this year.

          Otherwise it's always the same top 4.. United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal.

          1. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            eh what?

            Liverpool second two seasons ago, and then if you even go back further there have been a lot of other teams challenging, now Spurs look like they can challenge for a little while. It's very difficult to look at the PL and predict who will win it. Where is in La Liga it's gonna be Barca or Real 99% of the time.

            1. Sepp Blattered
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              Not denying the fact PL Is most competitive. But overall quality La Liga shines through.

              Football goes through cycles and last 5 years Spanish football has dominated Europe. Also most people done follow La Liga and just watch PL.. But think they can argue their point smh

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                I've watched a bit of La Liga, not a lot mind you, even went to see a Real game last year, the pace is very different to BPL, a lot slower. Real were playing Deportivo and it very one sided. It was basically how many goals can Real score today.

                I do agree that Barca and Real are prob the two best teams in Europe. Bayern/PSG close, but Barca definitely the best, I mean they pretty much have the 3 best strikers in the world. But I don't think that makes the overall quality of the league the best, sure the top teams are all above average but the gap between them and the lower teams is a lot, and doesn't seem like the lower teams stand a chance. Do you honestly think any team bar Real and Atletico can challenge Barca for the title in the next 2/3 seasons?

                1. Sepp Blattered
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                  Lol do you think any PL team can challenge Barca next 2/3 years?

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    that doesn't matter, my point is the rest of the teams in La Liga aren't good enough where as in BPL there is a greater pool of quality teams.

                    1. Cradders
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Valencia, Sevilla, etc

                      Celta Vigo have beaten Barca 2-3 times in the last couple years if iirc

                2. The Man Pastore
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Barca in PL would be top of the league as easily imo. as I said below teams like Atletico / Bilbao / Villareal / Sevilla would definitely challenge for the title. All of these teams are better than Lei, spurs..

                  1. The Man Pastore
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    *challenge for the title if they were in PL

                  2. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    using Leicester as a comparison is pretty unfair, first season they have had success and it's not a fair benchmark

                    hopefully these questions will be answered in the Europa League if Spurs/Utd/Pool all get through and face off one of those Spanish sides we will see.

                    Of course Barca would win the PL but if La Liga was the best league in the world with the best teams then they would have at least 2/3 teams challenging them, which they don't.

                    I don't think those four teams you mentioned would title challenge in PL, maybe top4 challenge but the level of competition they have in Spain is very low apart from Barca/Real so it's hard to tell.

                    1. pompeyfan
                      • 14 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      they do. Atletico are challenging, again.

                      1. Sepp Blattered
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                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Hahahha this!!! Start watching La Liga dude you are chatting utter rubbish now.

                    2. Sepp Blattered
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                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Sevilla will win.

                    3. Sepp Blattered
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                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      I can't believe you're trying to argue on a point about La Liga yet you admitted you don't follow it. I'm done.

                      1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        I can't believe you used a Gary Lineker quote as a "final say" on the matter of the discussion last night.

                    4. The Man Pastore
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      look at their results in Europa league. Spanish teams won all of their matches, didn't even concede this week. Look at the English teams on the other side. Definitely more quality in La liga. And again, not only Barca and Real!

                      1. Sepp Blattered
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                        Bilbao beat Utd 3-2 at Old Trafford recently and 2-1 at Bilbao. Beaten twice!

                        Bilbao a small team with no transfer budget relying on youth and tactics against 'Powerful' Man Utd.

            2. pompeyfan
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              99% - not really, Atletico won the year before last. Within the last 15 years it has been won 3 times between Valenica & Depor

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                sorry for my dodgy maths then.

                but it is a league dominated by only 2 clubs for a very long time.

                1. Sepp Blattered
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                  If you look at last 5 years all top 3 can win it. And any of the top 10 can get that 4th spot. Those top 10 is better than England's top 10 pound for pound

                  1. leonoflondon
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    I think financial motivation is there EPL. The Premier League has more money in it which is why the league is so competitive.

                    La Liga isn't so competitive, and goal difference means sweet FA, so...

                    Europa League has been alternative goal for the other Spanish teams, and hopefully the English teams now, with the Champions League incentive...

                2. Irish Madridista ⭐
                  • 13 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  And England has been dominated by Manchester United and Chelsea for the last 10 years... with Man City now starting to slowly overtake their rivals, and Arsenal the eternal "nearly men".

                  Liverpool (and now Leicester) are the only other teams to even come close to challenging. Spurs have a chance now to join that club.

            3. Irish Madridista ⭐
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              You're missing my point.. Liverpool were an anomaly in that year due to Suarez, and I agree that this season has been a refreshing change in England (albeit more due to the collapse of Chelsea / United, and Leicester's unbelievable conversion rates than anything else).

              More teams have finished in the top 4 in Spain than in the top 4 in England in the last decade.

              Plus, all three of Madrid, Barca and Atletico would make up the top 3 of the English league if they were in it, it's not how bad the teams at the bottom are (definitely no worse than Villa / Norwich etc), but it's how good the teams at the top are.

          2. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            ^This. Plus Chelsea settled last season quite early. More importantly, there's a massive difference between the bottom of the league and the top of the league, very little competition for the bottom half places. The teams revert away from the mean, not towards it.

        2. The Man Pastore
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Have you seen Atletico / Bilbao / Villareal / Sevilla play?

          1. Sepp Blattered
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            • 14 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            This

        3. Sepp Blattered
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          • 14 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          La Liga is best quality league.

          PL Is most competitive league. Big difference.

        4. Mr. Grv
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Bpl is competitive but
          Bayern , Dortmund , real , barca , juventus are top teams I think right now only man city and maybe arsenal come close to juventus and dortmund

          1. Mr. Grv
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            PSG too

        5. Sepp Blattered
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          Are you forgetting Atletico Madrid? Who owns the most wanted manager currently in football.

          Also Bilbao did the double over Man Utd in 2012 in Europe League. Atletico destroyed Chelsea in Super Cup.

          In last 5 years PL attracts La Liga rejects ie. Ozil, Sanchez, Di Maria, Pedro. La Liga gets CAN, Suarez, Bale.

          1. Sepp Blattered
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            Can is cr7 autocorrect.

            It's well known fact amongst all footballers that La Liga has the highest quality.

            1. djenzio
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              also Spain is a much nicer place to live than England so that is another advantage, just like London is nicer than Manchester/Liverpool, these are factors than come into play.

              1. Sepp Blattered
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                8 years, 3 months ago

                Yes but winning trophies has always been the case. Especially on European front.

                1. djenzio
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  and I 100% agree if you want trophies go to Barca as they are pretty much going to win everything.

                  it really is a difference of a couple of amazing teams and a huge gap to the bottom table teams and a league with a higher level at the bottom and slightly lower on the top, a more even spread. I don't think one is better that the other really. just different.

                  1. Sepp Blattered
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                    The bottom la Liga teams have tactical awareness and technical ability over bottom PL teams.

                    This is where you're lack of La Liga knowledge is hindering you. If you put them in the same league, PL loses out on their frantic pace because they would be ball chasing half the time. Hence technical ability and tactical awareness shines through

                    I'm not denying the fact that PL Is competitive but pound for pound La Liga wins. I'm just repeating myself now lol

                    1. djenzio
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      I don't think we are ever going to agree!

                      You are prob right my lack of knowledge does hinder me but I am basing the lack of quality at the bottom on seeing huge results in La Liga when they play Real/Barca, it's not rare to see Barca or Real put 5/6 goals past teams, which is something we rarely see in BPL.

                      1. Sepp Blattered
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                        Lol just like Liverpool beating Villa 6-0? Dude.. You're talking rubbish

                      2. The Man Pastore
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        because PL teams at the top aren't good, not because bottom teams in La liga are weak...

                      3. GreenWindmill
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                        • 12 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        How many do you think Real and Barca would put past Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich...?

                      4. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        yeah but how often does that happen? that's the first 6-0 all season....

                      5. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        or because the gap between the top and bottom is less

                      6. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        a lot but Seville, Bilbao, Valencia would't put a lot past them, that's the point.

                        Barca and Real are better than any team in the BPL, anyone can see that, just because La Liga has 2 of the best, if not the best, teams in Europe it doesn't make the league the best league.

                      7. Sepp Blattered
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                        I'm afraid you are wrong and they would.Start watching La Liga fella

                      8. GreenWindmill
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                        So far this season Sevilla, Bilbao and Valencia have all scored more than 3 in a league game just once.

                        The only ridiculously one-sided games always involve Barcelona or Real Madrid

                      9. GreenWindmill
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                        • 12 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        But I strongly suspect (although can't know, obviously) that they would batter the likes of Villa, Newcastle, etc.

                      10. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        well there you go.

                        also Atletico put 3 past Sevilla away from home earlier in the season....just showing how big the gap between those top 3 teams are with everyone else.

                      11. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Villa yes. But Newcastle beat a lot of the big teams this season. That doesn't happen in La Liga, in fact the top 3 teams soundly beat teams like Sevilla, Bilbao, Valencia.

                        Levante and Granada won't beat a team like Barca, but Newcastle beat Spurs at WHL, a team who are 2nd in the league and challenging for the title.

                      12. Sepp Blattered
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                        But top 8 would beat Pl top 8.

                        And you're dodging the Bilbao V Utd point I'm making.

                      13. GreenWindmill
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                        • 12 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        You can't keep using Barcelona as the touchpoint when trying to measure the quality of the lower teams - they warp it for everyone.

                        You already agreed that if Barcelona were in the Premier League they would smash all comers.

                        You can't point to the relative unpredictability of results in the Premier League being an indicator that the bottom teams are better than the bottom teams in La Liga who get thumped by Barcelona.

                        As Epic Fail pointed out below, the Championship is ultra competitive where anyone can beat anyone - it doesn't mean MK Dons are better than Sunderland.

                      14. GreenWindmill
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                        • 12 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Basically, just because there's a larger quality gap between the top and bottom of La Liga than the top and bottom of the Premier League you can't draw conclusions about the bottom of La Liga vs the bottom of the Premier League.

          2. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Can plays for Liverpool?

          3. The Man Pastore
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            this

          4. ronty
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Di Maria and Oezil are not rejects.. Perez likes shiny new things

            1. djenzio
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              ADM is doing very well now, LVG just found a way to ruin him, I don't know how he managed it but he did.

              Ozil has been immense this season and he would still get into the Real team.

              1. Sepp Blattered
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                I agree Ozil would still get in but the point is he was surplus to requirements.

                If you want to attract the top players now though where do you think they want to go? Ask DDG..

                Pep could change thst at City though and shift the momentum back to PL. But on current merit, La Liga is a better league in terms of quality.

            2. Sepp Blattered
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              Ozil replaced by James Rodriguez, Di Maria replaced by Bale. Sanchez replaced by Neymar.

              All because they were surplus to requirements = LA Liga rejects.

              1. The Man Pastore
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                totally agree

              2. ronty
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                you got it the other way tho.. well Sneijder and Robben too were surplus to requirements and yet Perez never learned from it..

                New shiny objects doesn't necessarily mean they are better

                1. Sepp Blattered
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                  The point is all the top players are going to La Liga. There's a reason why they fill out the World 11 squad.

                  And the top 8 at La Liga would beat top 8 PL team for team easily.

              3. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                fair enough, but the problem with La Liga is that players like those who you say are rejects are only rejects to Barca/Real. they would never move to another team in La Liga where as Sterling went from Pool to City, RVP from Arsenal to Utd.....big name players can move between clubs because there are more than 2 big teams.

                so when Real wanted James, ADM was not needed (or perhaps he wanted to leave knowing he wouldnt play as much) he has nowhere to go but a different league as a player will never go from Real to Barca and visa versa

                1. Sepp Blattered
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                  Atletico too. Problem is people think Spain is just 2 teams but it's not.

                  And top 8 La Liga v PL team for team. La Liga would win.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    at the moment it's a 1 team league! Barca pretty much have it wrapped up already 😉

                    maybe it's getting more competitive in recent years, which is a good thing for sure, but it has always been a 2 horse race with the odd team coming up every now and then, although Atletico look like they might maintain success for a while, only issue with them is they can't hang on to their big players the way Barca/Real can and if they loose Simeone what's going to happen to them?

                    1. Sepp Blattered
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                      • 14 Years
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                      Again you're not looking at present form. You're adding hypothetical questions to your point that PL Is the best quality - You would make a great Politician.

                      1. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        maybe I should run, will you vote for me?

                        the first line was meant to be a joke, it's all in the windy face!

              4. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                I wouldn't call them LA Liga rejects, they are Barca or Real rejects, any other team in LA Liga would give their left arm for a player like Ozil

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Haha its such a harsh label I don't think you can call it in any direction between the top leagues. Otherwise we'd have to look back at Beckham and Henry as Premier League rejects.

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  That said, Steven Fletcher to Marseille is a PL reject.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    🙂

                  2. Sepp Blattered
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                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    S Fletcher has upgraded if anything. How dare you insult him! 🙂

                    And it is a harsh label.. But they don't mind

              5. Mr. Grv
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Dimaria was very crucial Madrid . grave mistake from they letting him go . Bale doesn't have the creativity and flair of dimaria

                1. Sepp Blattered
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Completely agree.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    if you agree then you are going against your point saying they are rejects and La Liga has all the best players...

                    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                      • 13 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      No he's not, there's a difference between saying DiMaria suits Real Madrid better than Bale, which is due to his overall contribution to how the team worked, DiMaria was an engine in midfield and Bale is more of a CR7 style attacker now..

                      Different to saying that DiMaria is a better player than Bale, which he's not.

                      1. Sepp Blattered
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Yep this.

                      2. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        I guess so

                        I just think saying ADM is a La Liga reject is a bit much, we don't know if it was his choice to leave or the clubs. (or maybe you do and you can shed some light on it)

                        I know the point about Pep was made, and I think Klopp being in BPL furthers it too that we will start to see bigger players going to BPL again.

                        anyone none of this matters cause the Chinese Super League is about to be the next big league superpower anyway

                      3. Sepp Blattered
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Club wanted him so they could get bale.

                    2. Sepp Blattered
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      At that time. Bale is better than Di Maria now.

                2. ronty
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  that is the point I wanted to make.. Oezil and ADM were vital to Real's counter-attacking principles.. letting go of them was foolish and tells you all you want to know of Perez

        6. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          The Championship is far more competitive than BPL.

        7. Bunk Moreland
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Barcelona, Atletico and Real switch on winning in Spain.

        8. Zasa
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          No

          1. Zasa
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            That's just a stereotype & I very much doubt you've watched any matches outside the BPL having come to your conclusion

      3. Stats Don\'t Lie
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I agree with the fact that the La liga is the best league in the world, but I also feel its the least competitive. I think it's best in terms of quality, I think the bundesliga has the best fans, but I think the bpl is the most competitive.

        1. ronty
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          it has 3 clubs of extreme high quality.. Atletico are not really full of funds but have brought very shrewdly

        2. djenzio
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          yeah the BPL has a more even spread of players, talent and money than the other leagues. which means the top teams are not as good as Bayern, Barca etc... but the league itself is a lot more open and anyone can beat anyone.

          the quality at the top of BPL is less so than other leagues but the quality at the bottom is higher.

      4. Cradders
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Best league in terms of what though?? Because I always say that the ENglish league is the most entertaining league because of its unpredictability and the fact that any team can beat any other team.

        1. Sepp Blattered
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Quality

          1. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            guess the problem is it's very hard to measure quality. Trophies? Players? Results?

            I mean if you look at Leicester they don't have 1 world class player yet they play as a unit and as a team and were able to soundly beat a Man City team, who on paper have more quality and in terms of success have more quality, away from home.

            wow maybe I should be a politician!

            1. il Brutto
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              This is exactly the point. PL teams don't usually play well as a team that's why Leicester has been able to do so well with good tactics and a very united team. In Spain an Italy for example almost all teams play as a team and with good tactics.

              You have good knowledge about PL so you look at the teams at the lower end of the table and think they have good players as you know most of them then you go and look at team from Spain and you don't know anybody on the team so they must be bad players.

              That kind of thinking is exactly what limits most people from thinking rationally.

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                my reason for not rating the lower league teams in La Liga is not that the players but the hammering they get from Barca and Real. but again maybe that just shows how good those two teams are as oppose to how bad the bottom teams are!

                1. il Brutto
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Yep those teams are just that good they would hammer most of the teams in the PL also.

              2. Dino
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Not really true Brutto. If you want to buy the better players from the clubs in the lower half of the Spanish league you can get them for pittance. The reason not many clubs do is because while these players are very good technically they are not athletic enough for the demands of an epl season.

                You say Leicester have got where they are due to good tactics but this is exactly what athletico have done. They have a handful of good players but not many that would get in a top 4 team in epl (look how their left back got on at Chelsea) and this is the best of the rest in la liga. Simeone is basically an Argentinian big Sam Allardyce.

      5. El-Kloppico
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Best league based on what?
        Fair play? Goals? Spending?

        Quality wise, I still think PL is the best. With a good mixture of different nationality players..
        Technically also, since we've got different Managing style, different tactics and strategies.
        Any team can win against anyone, its not given before the end of the match.

        In Germany, Bayern can align a 3rd team and still win against lower sides. There's only 2 contenders every year, if not Dortmund, its Bayern.
        Same in Spain, Barca can align his B team against all the teams of the second half of the table.
        3 contenders in Barca, Madrid and Atletico.

        While this is not applicable in PL. As you've seen this week itself, Sunderland can beat ManUtd and Leicester can win against ManCity!

        1. djenzio
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          well said

        2. Prøphet
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          You are not right tho. Last 5 years 9 different teams finished in top 4 in Spain, while it was 6 in EPL. There is a big difference there. Germany had slightly different numbers.

          Most entertaining for sure, quality wise i dont think so.

          1. El-Kloppico
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            In the 9 different teams you are talking, Barca, Atletico and Madrid was always there, only the 4th that has been changing.
            Same applies to Germany!

            1. Prøphet
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              UTD, Man City, Che and Arsenal ring a bell?

              1. El-Kloppico
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Can you remind me when did a team in the red-zone beat any of the big hit in the other leagues? Like Sunderland beating ManUtd?
                Do you know of any team having battled relegation in a season and lead the League the other season there? Leicester is doing it right in front of us!

                In Germany, once a team looks threatening, Bayern will buy all the best players and dump the team. Same applies to PSG in France!

                1. Prøphet
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Your point doesnt make your case in all honesty. You went off from the original thing about top 4 contenders into relegation vs top flight. Would any single team in epl that are in the red zone win vs Real,Barca,PSG,Bayern? I really think not.

                  P.S. Granada won against Barca and quite a few draws that Real Madrid had vs "low level teams" this season.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    exactly, even in Spain any team can beat any team but I think in BPL it just happens more often,. especially this season and in recent years.

                    I do think that there is more competition at the top of the table in BPL, even if more variety of teams have finished top 4 in Spain, the top 3 have remained consistent, and it rarely comes down to the wire, or changes around that much in a season the way it does in BPL (apart from last season!)

                    1. Prøphet
                      • 8 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Well if you look contenders in La Liga Atletico has been there for 3 seasons only last 10 years or so. Many other teams were top 4, including Valencia winning the title and Deportivo finishing top 3 and then becoming a yoyo team a few years later.

                      1. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        yoyo team 🙂

                2. djenzio
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  the PSG situation is pretty ridiculous, but no one is saying the French league is the best in Europe. they have one of the best teams but then the domination of one team is very boring to me. Haven't they already won the title? or are only a few wins away?

                  and then they only beat Chelsea 2-1. a team who are in the bottom half of the BPL!

                  1. il Brutto
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    Chelsea are in better form recently and PSG absolutely dominated them. All the PSG players looked really relaxed after the game I don't think they have any doubt about being able to get the result at the Bridge.

                    Using Chelsea as an example of a bottom halve team is just ludicrous. Bottom half Serie A team beat the PL leader this season so there is also that.

                3. Camp No No
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Aargh! Why you have Klopp for your grav when you don't know anything about Bundesliga? Nor Ligue 1, for that matter.

                  Bayern buys a top few German players, yes, but have they emptied the teams like Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Monchengladbach from their talent? No. They've bought a couple of big players like Lewandowski and Neuer, and tried Dante and Götze. PSG hardly shops in France at all, and when Lyon and Marseille threatened PSG last season, they went on to buy the whole... 0 of their players.

                  About winning/losing and finishing in top4: Bayern seldom loses, but there's a great season-by-season fluctuation between the top and bottom so that likes of Bremen and Hoffenheim that recently fought for top-6 finish are now struggling for maintain, while the likes of Hertha and Mainz who have been in relegation zone are now fighting for top-6 finishes. Relegatable teams win big clubs, e.g. Bremen beat Schalke recently, and Wolfsburg lost tot then red zone Frankfurt. Then, not only the 4th team in top-4 changes. It's been any combination of Schalke, Leverkusen, Gladbach, Wolfsburg and Dortmund with Bayern and inpredicable others adding to the mix once a while. Much more changes in top4 than in PL.

                  PSG are invincible this season, but have lost to bottom table clubs in all previous seasons, also only confirmed the title on 37th round last season, and lead the league first time in late March. The rest of the league is much tighter than PL. The points difference from 3rd to 18th in L1 equals the points difference from 3rd to 8th in PL. All top teams aside from PSG have lost to bottom table teams: 18th placed GFC Ajaccio and 19th placed Toulouse have each won 2 of the top-5. Even the almost winless Troyes has taken points against 2 of the top5. And talk about the changes in top-4: there has been 14 different teams finishing in top-4 in last 10 seasons! No team has been there every season, Lyon the most with 9/10 top4 finishes, Marseille 2nd with 7/10. The league is much more even than PL.

                  1. Dino
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    How much would the squad of say 10th place team in the other top 4 leagues cost in comparison to the 10th place team in the epl? The quality of players the teams outside the top 4 attract in the epl is sooo much higher than the other leagues hence the reason why the epl is the best while the top clubs are obviously not as good as some of the top teams in other leagues.

                    The top teams in the epl are not a million miles away fron the top teams in the other leagues either with it not being that long ago that the epl clubs dominated the champions league. The big difference now is the ffp which decimated some of the epl squads meaning they have to play their top players almost week in week out now leaving them wrecked for CL.

              2. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                BPL hasn't had the same top 3 the way Spain/Germany has. As poor as Liverpool have been in recent years they have still challenged for top4 spot most seasons, same with Spurs.

                1. Prøphet
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Those are the 6 teams that cycle in top 4. While thats not the case in La Liga. Atletico Madrid is top 3 last 3 years only, it was Valencia and Sevilla before that.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    it is certainly changing in La Liga which is good, hopefully the teams under Barca/Real continue to get better the way it is in BPL.

                    Balders made the point earlier that Atleti are like how Arsenal were a few years ago. they are pretty much a feeder club but they are also competing, that needs to happen with a few more teams in La Liga.

                    I guess unknown factor in BPL is greater, and to me that makes it better. It's not really possible to quantify who is better because the teams are not in a league together,

                    so I guess to me the BPL is better because I prefer what it offers.

                    1. Prøphet
                      • 8 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Quantifiing makes no sense in this sense. Its like apples vs oranges. Its Fruit, but your preference will pick one over the other. Thats all it comes down to. Who is better? Well CL might be a decent indicator, but not always.

                      1. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        yeah unfortunately CL and Europa is all we have to quantify but we just end up with Barca being the best team and English teams not caring about Europa so as you say it's hard to use em as an indicator.

                      2. il Brutto
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        All good teams rotate in the Europa league it's not just PL teams. Napoli and Fiorentina both played a weakened side as did Sevilla I believe.

            2. il Brutto
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Atletico is quite a new team on top actually. The likes of Depor, Valencia and Sociedad have all had their spells of being in contention.

              1. Prøphet
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Yup, thats what i was saying. But people have very short term memory generally

          2. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            That is more due to the lack of quality of the teams behind real and Barcelona. A bit like the argument of the championship being the most competitive

            1. Prøphet
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              That comparison is just beyond ridiculous.

              1. Dino
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                I don't think so. The squads value of teams in the Spanish league (under the top 2) are a fraction of those on the epl and wages paid the same. If all these players in la liga were so superior to epl players then they would be in the epl earning the big bucks.

                The sad reality is so called top quality players from liga have come to the epl over the last few years and been found out badly. Adm, soldado negredo navas to name a few (even Ozil really struggled)

                1. Prøphet
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  You are so right. My case is done

                  1. Dino
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    Glad to have brought some sense to the debate.

        3. il Brutto
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Clueless. Barca really can't play a weakened team in most of their games and they don't because they would struggle to win consistently.

          Sunderland beating United just shows the lack of quality we are talking about (fair play to Sunderland though).

          In La Liga Barcelona got beaten by Celta Vigo 4-1 and Real has lost to Villarreal so there are surprises in that league also not as many though and that is down to those top teams being so damn good. Sevilla has also beaten both Real and Barca this season and would most likely be leading the PL.

          1. Prøphet
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            As i mentioned, people mistake entertainment and quality when talking about EPL.

          2. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            fair enough it seems you prefer La Liga and as Prophet and I concluded that's what a lot of this argument has been.

            I do not agree that Sevilla would be topping the PL as there is no way to either prove or disprove it. There is no point in saying that. Maybe if they play a PL team in the Europa this season we will have some idea, but I think it's a silly thing to say. I think they could compete in the PL for sure, but it's such a different league with more fixtures and more competition and a different pace......

            1. Prøphet
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              I actually think La Liga has better teams, but i prefer watching EPL and for thats what it come down to.

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                personally I think La Liga's top teams are far better than EPL, but the teams just under top 4 are better in BPL. then the bottom tier teams are pretty dire in both leagues. but that's just my opinion

                and like you I prefer watching EPL.

                1. Prøphet
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  I do think that top 8 teams in La Liga are better than EPL, but then again i keep saying i prefer watching EPL and enjoy watching it more.

                  Doesnt mean im right tho, just my opinion.

            2. il Brutto
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              It will be interesting to see Spurs and Leicester in the CL next season also and I really hope they do well. CL group stages will hopefully have a lot of interesting matches.

              As you said the leagues are very much different in playing style so every claim we make is hypothetical without much reality in them but as some people are making such claims as PL bottom of the table clubs are better than La Liga bottom of the table clubs I don't think my claim is silly at all.

              1. RedLightning
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                I doubt whether Leicester have a strong enough squad to do well in the Champions League as well as in the Premier League next season.

                I hope I'm wrong though!

      6. Az
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Leicester are top after being one of the favourites for relegation before the start of the season

        There is no way that would happen in any other league. The top teams in all the other leagues are superior to or teams, but our teams outside the top 4 would destroy any of the teams outside the top 4 of other countries.

        Anyone can beat anyone which makes our league the most exciting in the world

        1. Prøphet
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          That is a fluke if you look in last 20 years. Its the most Entertaining, not necessarily the best. There is a huge difference. I would rather watch Stoke vs WHU than Getafe vs Sevilla, thats the difference. Which teams are better? Well its a never ending cycle.

          People from the UK are very protective that EPL is the best, but looking at 20 years back that is not entirely true. Most entertaining ? For sure, Best? Dont think so.

        2. il Brutto
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Nah. Those teams behind the top four in PL have all struggled in Europe. Both West Ham and Southampton were knocked out early and now United is struggling.

          Most exciting is an opinion there is no way to measure it all we have is the results which indicate that La Liga is the best by quite a margin.

      7. Prøphet
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        There was a discussion about this yesterday night i think about this. I will say the same thing again.

        I believe that the word competitive or best is used loosely here and without much substance.
        I would rather qualify it like this: Most entertaining overall? - England
        Best in the World in terms of quality? - La Liga?
        Xabi15 in stickies talked about the difference in La Liga and others. He makes great points and people should read the stickies from last article and read through that discussion.

        1. djenzio
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          all good points. it really is a never ended cycle of who is better etc....

          some good points made by a few people, but it is very hard to prove who genuinely is a better team when Spanish and English teams only meet in Europe, which doesn't happen that much across each season.

          the other issue when the teams meet in Europa is that English teams, up until recently, had a very bad view of Europa League and dismissed it in the same was as League Cup and played B-side/weakened teams, where as the Spanish teams seem to be more focused on Europa League as they know it's their best chance of silverware etc...

          1. Prøphet
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Yea, well it is a never ending cycle. It just comes down to what you prefer watching as a fan. It is EPL for me easily. Doesnt really matter which league is better since its all entertainment.

            1. djenzio
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              as you said I would much rather watch Stoke vs WH than Getafe vs Sevilla too but maybe that's a personal preference. I prefer to watch a league where anything can happen and there are fewer guarantees.

              1. Prøphet
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                That is a valid point, it all comes down to a personal preference honestly.

                1. djenzio
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  it's taken me about 50 circles to come to that point! 🙁

                  1. Prøphet
                    • 8 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    Hahah 🙂 Better late than never!

                    1. djenzio
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      I think I really irritated Sepp Blattered in the process though 🙁

                      1. Prøphet
                        • 8 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Prolly on some medication now! 😀

                      2. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        haha

                      3. Sepp Blattered
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        We're all good homie. I agree that most entertaining is Premier League...

                        Quality = La Liga.

              2. il Brutto
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                For us on here FPL also makes a huge difference in the entertainment factor.

                Other leagues really should learn from the PL when it comes to marketing. In that PL takes the cake by a wide margin.

                1. djenzio
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  good point, I am sure there is a La Liga fantasy game?? maybe just not one in English.

                  MLS have a fantasy game now.

                  and the fact that I am based in Ireland means my exposure to football is mostly BPL based, as a kid I remember watching Seria A on TV but Spanish Football was never really showed much, so my exposure at an early age was perhaps limited and skewered, everyone I know supported a team in the BPL, it was mainly Liverpool and Utd, no one was a Barca/Real fan. That's how it was, that's what was on TV for the most part.

                  I do watch some Spanish football now but as much as I watch English football, I've been to madrid and watched a game, it's a very different pace, much slower,

                  but it comes back to personal preference as to which is 'better'.

                  1. il Brutto
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    I like the Premier League as well I have followed it the most from the top leagues mostly because they had the best coverage in my country when I started to follow football. I also follow Serie A because I'm a huge Juve fan and La Liga because I think they are technically and quality wise the best at the moment. I don't follow Bundesliga or Ligue 1 at all so I don't really know too much about their quality.

                    Personal preference plays a huge part in peoples minds when speaking about which league is the best and it's all understandable.

                2. Prøphet
                  • 8 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  It absolutely has a huge impact. Before i started playing FPL i actually watched far less football than now, since i got fed up with it due to various reasons. Now, i watch EPL with excitement again and its FPL to blame

          2. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Perhaps it might not be such a bad thing for us to lose one of our four Champions League places if it resulted in our teams taking the Europa League more seriously instead of playing for Arsenal's 4th place trophy?

            Or maybe not - our teams might still be more concerned with aiming for the top three or in avoiding any risk of relegation.

            Still surprised that mid-table teams like Southampton and West Ham didn't take the Europa League a bit more seriously though.

        2. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Xabi? Lol. Is that the gravless guy who started the thread claiming La Liga was king, then spent the whole time in the discussion preaching it, then posted his stats findings which claimed Ligue 1 & Bundesliga was the most competitive, rather than La Liga? 😆 Eh?!

          He was probably a lost cause at that point.

          1. Prøphet
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Well mate those points can be valid if you have an open mind to try and understand what he was saying. Il Bruto also made a lot of great points.

          2. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            offer some sort of counter argument then instead of slating someone's findings.

            and the argument about La Liga was never that it was the most competitive, pretty much everyone has agreed that BPL is the most, or one of the most, completive leagues. That in no way means it is better or worse, and that's what the whole discussion has been about.

            1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              And you could try reading the discussions yourself first. Then please show me where I've said otherwise 🙂

      8. The Hindu Monkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        the line "best league in the world" is a non-nonsensical oxy-moronic statement

        the league with the BEST teams is La Liga, in that it has 2 of the 3 worlds best teams (Munich complete the trio and then there is a big gap to the rest imo) - it also has the best teams further down as well from positions 3-8 (roughly) - but it's certainly not consistent, the teams at the bottom are utterly woeful.

        the most competitive is the premier league, or the italian in some years - more teams can win it and anybody can beat anyone on any given day

        the most entertaining is up to your personal preference - do you like seeing teams getting battered by the best front line in the world, or do you like seeing Man City going away to West Ham or Watford and getting thrilling 2 all draws?

        german league is horribly, horribly one side. Bayern have won what, 16 of the last 20 titles? Joke.

        the french league isn't even worth mentioning. It's not even a league. It's PSG train for the champions league.

        1. Prøphet
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Really biased look on some things and have to disagree.
          Exclude PSG and you have a very competitive league.
          Exclude Bayern and a very competitive league.

          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Competitive like the championship in England maybe?

            1. Prøphet
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              If championship was in france and was the second league there

        2. Zasa
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          German league may be dominated by Bayern, with Dortmund 8 points back & the closest behind them even further behind by 13 points. Sure, Bayern & Dortmund will generally have the top two pretty locked-in most years, yet the battle for the other two CL spots is arguably one of the most competitive in Europe.

          You're missing out if you're calling the Bundesliga a joke simply because Bayern win mosy years.

          1. Zasa
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            *most

      9. ★Kuntheman★
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I think we BPL fanboys are finally understanding how poor our league is. You could say that it is incredibly competitive because all of the teams are fairly mediocre. Look how pathetic we are in UCL and Europa league play. Meanwhile, look at Wolfsburg, Sevilla, Monchengladbach, Bilbao, Atletico, all teams we deem out of the two horse races in other leagues. They absolutely outclass our teams. The thing is, in those leagues there are a handful of really good teams, a couple of world class teams, and a ton of mediocrity. In our league, we have good teams, and mostly mediocrity. Just imagine the likes of Wolfsburg or Sevilla or Atletico in our league. They'd be making a run for the title. The players are more tactically intelligent abroad. In the EPL, you get entertainment, you get story lines, and you get fast, aggressive football. I wouldn't watch anything else. Sadly, this also means you get plenty of defeats when you play properly constructed teams from "easier" leagues.

      10. KingNidge
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        This debate is becoming as boring ironically as 90% of La Liga games that don't involve either Real Madrid or Barcelona that are generally played at a snails pace with little or no excitement or atmosphere..

        La Liga has 2 teams better than anything the Premier League can offer and its therefore no surprise that those teams have players that are far superior to anything in England and the games between those teams are a fantastic spectacle and watched all over the world for these reasons.. Outside of that no one really gives a toss lets not pretend we do

        The premier league has made itself a global brand on the back of its entertainment and crucially its thrilling unpredictability and theres a reason why its head and shoulders above its competition in this respect and viewing figures all over the world and the money generated back this up..

      11. amcgilp
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        The Premier league is the best product..La Liga is the best league.

        1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Best league in what sense? The top teams in Spain are better than the top teams in the PL/Bundesliga, but the bottom teams in La Liga are the worst of the three.

          Premier League & Bundesliga are far more competitive, and far less predictable.

          1. amcgilp
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Imo La Liga has become the best league in recent years in terms of overall quality and competitiveness. People who don't watch La Liga as much as the Prem have this assumption the lower teams are very poor but this has changed in the last number of years and I have a feeling when Gary Neville comes back to England he will confirm this. It is a lot more competitive then people think, there is no longer huge points differences between the top and bottom, similarly to the Prem! Also, the lower La Liga teams are getting a fairer spread of the Tv money now and they have used it very well and efficiently.

            If you are talking about leagues being the most competitive and least predictable, surely the Championship is the best league!! 😉

            1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Fair enough. At least you gave a decent response rather than a couple of others who can't seem to make their minds up. I have a feeling a large percentage of people in this debate don't even watch games from these leagues mentioned anyway, but that's just my opinion. I personally believe a fair few would majorly struggle to name more than one player from about 75% of the teams in La Liga/Bundesliga.

              This thread's been well and truly taken over anyway, by a couple firmly in the La Liga camp. So La Liga wins. 🙂

              I respectfully disagree though. IMO the PL/Bundesliga are more competitive, less predictable, play faster/more exciting football, have better atmospheres, and just have better players (at the lower clubs) in general - which is understandable as they spend more money.

              1. amcgilp
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Yeah it really is an interesting topic of discussion, good talking with you 🙂

                1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Likewise. 🙂

                  I had a little look at the comparison between those 'lower' clubs I mentioned in the Bundesliga & La Liga, comparing how competitive they are in their leagues against the elite of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich.

                  Nothing surprising. The bottom half teams in La Liga are 2-3x more likely to concede 4+ goals at the hands of Real/Barca than the bottom half teams in the Bundesliga are by Bayern.

                  In La Liga, teams have conceded 4+ goals against them on 15 occasions so far.

                  In the Bundesliga, teams have conceded 4+ goals against Bayern on 5 occasions so far.

                  Real Madrid - 4 x2, 5 x3, 6 x2, 10 x1 (Rayo Vallecano)
                  Barcelona - 4 x4, 5 x1, 6 x2
                  Bayern - 4 x2, 5 x3

                  La Liga most competitive league? Pffffftt!

                  1. amcgilp
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    Lol good work! But never said La liga was most competitive though 😀 Plus I don't think those stats count for much in this argument as we will never know how a Barca or a Real get on playing against an Aston Villa, a Norwich or a Newcastle!! lmao. It just comes down to opinion really, there are pros and cons for each league and its very difficult to measure which one is the best!

                    Ps did you see Real struggle against Malaga yesterday? 😉

                    1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      You never said it was most competitive?

                      ....Read the very first sentence from this post of yours from above. 😆

                      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2016/02/19/scout-scribbles-red-devils-fall-to-defeat/?hc_page=1#hc_comment_12718191

                      And of course they count lol. They show a comparison of competitiveness between the 'other' clubs against the elite clubs in both leagues. And if you didn't notice, a large part of the discussion has been about which is the most competitive league as a whole....

                      What doesn't count for much is using what Gary Neville might say 😉 He'd no doubt say the same if he managed in the Bundesliga, but he hasn't.

                      Simply saying "it's the best" seems to count for a lot though. 😆

                      1. amcgilp
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        Apologies, I didn't mean to say La Liga was most competitive. read my last comment of same paragraph "If you are talking about leagues being the most competitive and least predictable, surely the Championship is the best league!!", my point was that a competitive and unpredictable league does not mean it's the best! lol

                        I was saying that La Liga has become a lot more competitive in recent years and the smaller clubs are using their money better and proving harder to beat.

                        In hindsight I probably shouldn't have mentioned competitiveness after all lol 😀

      12. Grand Thibauto
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Premier League has much more money than UCL. La Liga and those leagues doesnt

    4. djenzio
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      the Liverpool and Spurs results were decent, Utd not so much

  5. President John F. Keninnsie
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    No Cazorla news in the Arsenal presser?

      1. President John F. Keninnsie
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers Adam.

  6. TheTinman
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Just imagine being a newcastle fan too. No game for 2 weeks, no fantasy football... Life is hard.

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Same with Leicester

      1. BadgersBoys
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Life is a little easier for Leicester fans I would imagine

      2. TheTinman
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Cheeky...

    2. Sepp Blattered
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      And they have Steve McClaren as manager.

      1. Sepp Blattered
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Also how is he not sacked yet?

    3. djenzio
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      also paired with the reality of playing Championship football next season

      1. TheTinman
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Doubt we will get relegated, but I have said that all year...

    4. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      🙂

    5. Pap Le Cissier
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yep, gives me two stress free weeks on all fronts! 😀

  7. Kings of Lyon ★
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Following Pompyfans discussion on the previous page here are the lastest European standings.

    http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html

    If the competitions finished today my understanding is that England would have 3 CL spots in the 2017/18 season

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Isn't that the case already?

      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Errr no we'd still have 4

        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Looking ahead to 2018/19 we're behind though

        1. djenzio
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          think that's fair enough, haven't done well enough in CL to deserve 4 spots

      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        England - 57.659
        Italy - 58.248

        Only the previous 4 years are taken in to account

          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          its 5 seasons, UEFA word it really badly but its 5 seasons. They word it essentially as this season plus the previous 4 seasons.

          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          This season - "The coefficient is calculated by working out an average score: dividing the number of points obtained, by the total number of clubs representing an association in that season’s two club competitions."

          Plus the previous 4 seasons - "The resulting figure is then tallied with the results of the previous four seasons to calculate the coefficient. "

          1. Kings of Lyon ★
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Ah OK, was a misunderstanding on my part.

              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              but yeah your point still stands looking ahead we need a couple of big performances because the Italians put us to the sword last season with 3 out of 8 semi finalists.

          2. pompeyfan
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            at the end of this season the 2011/12 seasons numbers are wiped from the calculation so England lose 15,250 points whereas Italy loses 11,357, a net loss of some 3,900 points for England. So they need to be ahead of Italy by more than that figure at the end of this season

              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Can you give me a UEFA link to that?

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  and where does that say the 5th season drops off? I think you got it wrong. What I quoted above is from the exact same page.

                  1. pompeyfan
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    It's 100% correct, not sure where it's written. But the 5th season drops off because when next season starts that becomes the current season and the 4 previous one's are also added up to the current one for the cumulative score (of 5 seasons in total)

                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      right but calculating for 2017/18 they use the 5 seasons 2011/12-2015/16.

                      For 2018/19 then 2011/12 drops off and they use 2012/13-2016/17.

                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      "Coefficient calculation
                      Clubs' coefficients are determined by the sum of all points won in the previous five years, "

                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Even

                      "The associations' club coefficients rankings are based on the results of each association's clubs in the five previous UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League seasons. The rankings determine the number of places allocated to an association (country) in forthcoming UEFA club competition."

                      From your own link.

                      1. pompeyfan
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        yeah, see below. I had said that these points would affect the season after next's allocation.

                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        So the drop off affects the season after the season after next which is 2018/19

            1. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Yeah, but that only affects for the 2018/2019 season. For the clubs to plan the forthcoming season, the CL places up for grabs that season are decided on basis of the already settled last 5 seasons. So, for the 2017/2018 places that are won by 2016/2017 league performances, that would be the 5 seasons currently shown in the table (the one they play now, included), and it is very unlikely that Italy can beat England for that.

            2. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              It is exactly the table as it is in the end of this season that decides the number of places competed for in each league next season, and those places are in the 2017/18 CL season.

              1. pompeyfan
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                yeah, that's why I originally said it would be for the season after next season (2017/18). The points do get wiped in effect when this season finishes because then next season's allocation is decided.

    2. ronty
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Juve are favs to beat Bayern now which didn't look like it will happen when the draw was made

  8. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Good morning 🙂

    1. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Morning Mr West

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Have I missed the tumbleweed ?

        1. BadgersBoys
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Erm.. I would like to say yes but seems to be a bit more blowing in again..

          1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            🙂

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Hello

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        All set for all your plans to be ruined by the cup ? 😉

        1. Stats Don\'t Lie
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Of course. Have 1ft so cue at least 2 injuries/rc 🙂

    3. Mr. Grv
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Have cup of bat coffee

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I'm having my first cup right now 🙂 . Instant unfortunately 🙁 .

    4. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Morning Westie

    5. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Busy night?

  9. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Are we really investing in stoke midfielders?

    This will end in heartache.

    😕

    1. Pochecinno
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I bought Arnie in ages ago so he stays. I probably wouldn't be buying one now, though.

    2. President John F. Keninnsie
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I'm sure interest will cool after the FA Cup games when we know which other teams have a game in GW 30.

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        my fear is they will switch off like they usually do since they have bugger all to play for.

        hoping for some surprises in cup ties to mix things up a bit.

    3. djenzio
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Arnie has been impressive this season. has good fixtures going forward too, not just the blank

    4. Cradders
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I'm happy to have him for GW27 then relegate him to bench fodder (an expensive one I know) but then I can deal with him when necessary

  10. Pochecinno
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    With Eriksen and Kane already in my team, would you bring in:

    a) Alli
    b) Wimmer

    😀

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      not if spurs are missing gw30(very likely)

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Christina please - no DGW/blank-conditioned answers please. 🙂

    2. President John F. Keninnsie
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Alli

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers

    3. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Wimmer for me. GW30 would ge tough if they beat Palace and you had trippled Spurs. I have tripple Spurs at the moment. Although nice fixture next week.. So many dilemmas in so many teams! Hard to give advice before this weekend.

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks.

        Assuming they play of course - as I qualify for the regular posters Cup I am well aware of the DGW/Blanks situation 😛

        1. BadgersBoys
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          I'm sure you are (sick hearing about it) mate ☺

        2. BadgersBoys
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Think I qualify for that too..

    4. Gooner Kebab
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Vertonghen not far away

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks, yes - Wimmer will have at least 5-6 games

      2. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Vertonghen's latest statement is actually the reason I'm now considering Wimmer. We know now where we stand with his injury

    5. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Alli

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers EF

    6. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Alli

    7. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Wimoweh

  11. Esraj
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    What is meant by

    1. Pochecinno
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      ESRAJ

      1. Ziro Becomes One
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        😛

    2. Esraj
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      ha ha. I think we need an edit button.

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I prefer to see fails 😉

    3. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      D'oh

  12. Cradders
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone got tickets to any of the games this weekend

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      You'd think so. Plus Man City aren't at home.

    2. LC1
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Watford v Leeds.. nothing to brag about!

  13. BENOIT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Cedric ------> Wimmer or Wolly?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Wolly (more of a long-term option)

    2. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Wolly

  14. Rains of Castamere
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Any other DDG and McCarthy owners sweating a bit?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Hopefully DDG is out for a while.

    2. 1569Tippins
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I have DDG and Rudd, so I'm in the same sort of boat... but I've got 1FT and can currently field 12 this week (if DDG plays) so i'm not sweating at the moment.

      If he is ruled out, it will be an easy switch to Forster

    3. Daaf
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah, but it might be for the best. With the injuries piling up and a major lack of form clean sheets will be hard to come by.

      At least I can transfer him out for free.

      Who would you get in?

  15. Mr. Grv
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Barca's current team looks set for some dominance in league and Europe probably real come close but as team they feel weak and they have a ageing ronaldo .

    1. Doolittle
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I think Real are miles away, Barcelona look so far ahead of everyone at the moment. Of course, the best teams don't always win the Champions League, but I can't see anyone stopping them except maybe Bayern (but that would be a shock).

        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I agree here, Bayern are IMO the only team in Europe that wouldn't be rank outsiders over two legs. When you get to a one-off final anything can happen, over a two leg tie with an away day at the Nou Camp though? Nah.

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Barca struggle against well organised teams . Chelsea and Inter were not as good as Bayern and they managed to beat them . It's far from a foregone conclusion

        1. Doolittle
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Certainly far from a foregone conclusion, as I said the best teams can come unstuck in knockout competitions, but I don't see this Barcelona struggling against those types of teams. The Guardiola Barca was very different, I think Messi, Suarez and Neymar could cut through any side.

          1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Separate question did you find Guardiola's Barca boring to watch ? . I could always appreciate the skill involved in keeping possession for so long . I find long ball football incredibly boring to watch because there is no skill involved

            1. Doolittle
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              They were my favourite team I've ever seen. The problem is the bastardised version of that style (like Man Utd currently). Guardiola's team weren't about sideways passing; they kept the ball remarkably well of course, but it was incisive, it was attacking, it was beautiful.

              I think this is probably the pinnacle of it:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLXlvhV8cK8

              1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                I am at work I will watch it later 🙂

                1. Doolittle
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  As am I (stealthy c&p job without watching the video). It's just the 5-0 against Madrid.

                  1. Doolittle
                    • 11 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    At least I hope it is, as I didn't watch the video it could be a sloth eating a kit-kat.

                  2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                    • 13 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    I have a decent desk two dividers on both sides and wall behind me 🙂

              2. Irish Madridista ⭐
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                Doolittle, couldn't have said it better myself.

                Guardiola HATES the term "Tiki-Taka" whereas LvG would probably aspire towards it..

        2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          This comes across as more definitive than I meant it to . I meant Barca can struggle against well organised team .

        3. ronty
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Barca under Pep were hardly direct,something which pissed off Ibra no end..now they have the means to be direct which you could see in Suarez's goals against Real and Atletico

      2. ronty
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Atletico has the defensive firepower to pin them down but they have lost regularly to them

        Bayern with a fully fit team and a good day will challenge Barca genuinely

        1. Doolittle
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          I think it would take a top form Bayern, and an off form Barcelona. Guardiola would need to work all of his magic, because they were torn apart last year.

          1. HamezMace
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            That was the best opening 10 minutes of a football match ever

            1. Doolittle
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              It was remarkable, I couldn't believe what I was seeing, for Guardiola to turn up and set his team out like that - it looked like it could be double figures.

          2. ronty
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            Bayern were struggling with injuries in that game too.. Barca got torn apart when they played Bayern with a spate of injuries.. only way to know is when both play fully-fit

            1. Doolittle
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Indeed, they're certainly the best 2 teams around at the moment, I'd fancy Barcelona to give them a bit of a pounding at the Nou Camp though.

              1. ronty
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                unfortunately it looks like Bayern might even make it to the later rounds with their latest injury crisis.. Juve the most in-form team in Europe currently

  16. Pochecinno
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Looks like someone has an Epic Grav Fail - someone tell him they're out of the tournament 😛

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I'm still representing my peoples 😎

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Ya maan

  17. Pochecinno
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    With regards to the EPL/La Liga debate:

    I don't think anyone can dispute that the Premier League is a much more exciting and faster league - the gulf in quality between the 'top teams' and the bottom of the table lurkers isn't as great as it is in the La Liga. However, because the top 2 teams in La Liga are so far ahead of any other teams in the world (money, reputation and scouting networks help greatly in this regard) this forces those teams 'challenging' their duopoly to be that much better and sharper. This is why, in my opinion, the best of the rest of La Liga tend to do much better in Europe than our lot. The pace of the EPL coupled with the congestions of fixtures no doubt also plays it part in our underperformance

      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      the 'gulf' though isn't because bad La Liga teams are horrendous though, its because the top teams are so good. Barca and Real would batter Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa 6/7/8-0 home and away if they were in the PL.

      1. Mr. Grv
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Leicester vs barca would be quite interesting 😀

      2. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Agreed Balders. Though that's kind of one of the point I was making. Barca and Real are so far ahead - it helps pull up the rest of the 4-6 teams behind them in a manner that doesn't happen in the EPL.

        I don't think it is a coincidence that United's dominance in the EPL coincided with English teams doing well in the Champions League

          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          could be so, I'm not sure on that comparison but its an interesting idea.

        1. Sepp Blattered
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Forgetting Atletico..

          1. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            would like to hear more from you on them

            can they really compete with Real/Barca long term? They seem to loose a lot of their players each season and now are set to loose their manager. What are their finances like? Their scouts? Their facilities? Are they growing as a club? Building for the future?

            1. Sepp Blattered
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Like all teams with a great structure, they'll find another Diego Simone like they do with World Class Strikers.

              Torres - Kun - Falcao - Costa - Manzukic, - Jackson Martinez - Griezmann

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                yes but they can't hold on to the world class strikers. most of them left just at their prime. and where did they go? BPL! they didn't go to Barca/Real and don't say they are rejects!

                Aguero would get his game at Real, maybe not at Barca but he wouldnt fit their system unless they could play Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Kun!

                1. Sepp Blattered
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Haha listen you're entitled to your opinion. But I think your opinions is flawed if you're arguing about something you don't watch..

                  We're just repeating ourselves, let's just agree to disagree.

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  They can sell them because largely strikers are overvalued and they'll continue to put shots there for any above average striker.

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  They're not in a position to buy multiple ballon d'or contenders, nobody but Barca and Real are, so they work in a different way but it works and they continue to punch above their weight financially.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    so do you think they sell players like Kun and Torres because they have to or because they want to?

                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 3 months ago

                      Honestly I think this is all very similar situation to comparing Arsenal with Chelsea and Man U 5 years ago (before City game in and before SAF left)

                      1. djenzio
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 3 months ago

                        yeah, very similar. hopefully Atletico can continue keeping up with the big boys.

              2. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                and I wouldn't say they are all world class strikers.

                Kun - yes
                Torres was in his prime but his prime didn't last very long
                Falcao in his prime was world class, but again look at him recently.
                Costa -no
                Manzukic - no
                Jackson - no
                Griezmann -no

                1. Sepp Blattered
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  My god do you watch any football outside the PL and Champs League?

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    yes I do, do you honestly think all those strikers are World Class?

              • 10 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              15th biggest club in the world in terms of revenue and 3rd in Spain so they're by no means huge outliers. For the last few years Simeone has built arguably the best defense in Europe, better than Juve, better than Mourinho products and better than Pep's defend by attacking.

              1. djenzio
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                that's what I was trying to get at. I am not saying Atletico are awful. I really like them as a team and think it's great to see how far they have come, but I don;t know enough about their internal workings.

                from the outside they look to be a bit of a feeder club, unable to hold on to all of their best players. If I am wrong then that;s okay,

                yes they have an immense defence, will that still be so when Simeone leaves? how much of their success is down to the manager and how much the team....

                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  honestly its harder to compare as the Spanish duopoly is more entrenched than is has been here but yes I think Atleti can continue to challenge, Quique Sanchez Flores took them to back to back Europa Leagues then Simeone has taken them to another level again but Pellegrini or Ancelotti or even someone like Poch could continue to punch with Barca and Real.

                  For the last X years Arsenal have been underdogs behind Man U and Chelsea and then city too but they've still been there or thereabouts often leading the league for stretches if ultimately falling short. Its an uphill struggle but they're still a very very good club.

                  1. djenzio
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 3 months ago

                    be interested to see who takes over Atleti if Simeone leaves. Poch would be great but he might want one more season at Spurs to give the title a real go.

        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        and Palace and Swansea and Norwich and probably Bournemouth

    1. Mr. Grv
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I love seeing lei whooping some pl teams a££ and they what makes it enjoyable . I have been seeing laliga and bundesliga the lower teams lose even before they enter the stadium while watching EPL the lower teams put a lot of effort .

      1. Pochecinno
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        This is it. Having lived outside Europe for a while, I've noticed that although Real and Barca have greater global brands and attract more 'support', apart from the Clasico people would much rather watch an EPL game than a La Liga game

    2. ronty
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      mid-table of La Liga is extremely strong.. and Betis who are in a relegation fight outplayed Real recently.. only way to truly know is by putting them H2H,else,it is all conjecture at this point

    3. red forever
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      the money flying about the premier league has improved its overall quality considerably, but this has come at the cost of the top 4 being less competitive in Europe as there are no easy games in the league for them anymore - its a decent payoff for the fans though!

    4. Sepp Blattered
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      This frantic pace is lost when you add technical ability and tactical awareness to the equation.

      Again using the Atletico Bilbao double over Man Utd in 2012 as example, Bilbao dominated the game and Utd were ball chasing half the time.

      Top 8 La Liga teams are better than PL h2h

      1. djenzio
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        you can't use one game from 2012 as an argument that top 8 La Liga teams are better than PL top 8....

        1. Sepp Blattered
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          I'm sorry speak to me when an English club won Europa in last 5 years. Oh wait..

          1. djenzio
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            yes but English clubs put more effort into the league and tend to field weaker teams in Europa (something I strongly disagree with). Other European teams put more effort in Europa because the top teams in Spain, Germ, Italy are so strong that they have very little chance of doing well in the league and Europa is their best chance of glory/CL. That is starting to change with managers like Klopp and LVG saying how important Europa is, and I think it's a shame how poorly it's looked upon by a lot of the English Cubs.

            That's why no English team has won it in 5 years imo

            1. djenzio
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              also BPL has 4 CL spots so the teams going into Europa are of a lower league position than in Spain.

            2. Sepp Blattered
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Your argument is flaw ed - Last year they made EL winners right to go Ch maps League.

              Spurs, Pool had a good go and couldn't beat Fiorentina etc. Won by Sevilla.

              1. Sepp Blattered
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 3 months ago

                And it will continue to be flawed when you see them fail again this year.

                Van Gaal, Poch, Klopp are all fielding strong teams but they won't win. Napoli, Dortmund and Sevilla are miles better.

                1. Sepp Blattered
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 3 months ago

                  Shots fired

    5. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      The issue is that LA liga TV rights are messed up. Barca and Real share about 80% of the money and everyone else gets like 1% each. Bpl is much more equal in that area.

      1. djenzio
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        will that ever change?

  18. Az
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Farewell Columbia colours, you will always have a place in my heart!

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Colombia*

      1. 1569Tippins
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Upvote

    2. Sjaugen
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I'm bad at avatars, so I dropped the extra text in the name when we got booted.
      But kept the picture

  19. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Mike? What's the pool on me up to right now? What's it up to? What is it three hundred dollars -- is that it? Three hundred? I'm a school teacher. I teach English Composition in this little town called Addley, Pennsylvania. The last eleven years, I've been at Thomas Alva Edison High School. I was coach of the baseball team in the spring time.

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Shaving privates has never looked so good on the big screen.

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Shaving Ryan's Privates?

        1. BadgersBoys
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Great show.

    2. The Kolarov Mane ⚔
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Saving Private Ryan

    3. Costa's Counsellor
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Inevitable someone would go mad I suppose...

  20. BadgersBoys
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Decided to remove my dear granny from my grav.

      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Thanks

      1. BadgersBoys
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        My pleasure.

  21. Costa's Counsellor
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Someone do a quiz! 🙂

    1. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Favourite Biscuit?

      1. Costa's Counsellor
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I'm not sure you've quite grasped the concept of a quiz...

        Chocolate Hobnob.

        1. BadgersBoys
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          No, I know the concept. Was just curious what your biscuit preference was?
          Thanks. Good choice.

      2. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        halfman half....

    2. Your Mum's Athletic
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      family fortunes? 😉

      1. Costa's Counsellor
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        We gave 100 people 100 seconds to name things you can do with a cucumber...

        1. John t penguin
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          wish I could tell the story that just came to my head about cucumber

    3. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      I've got one when the page turns

      1. Costa's Counsellor
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        How many more posts before the page turns?

  22. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    tiki taka
    kit kat
    kitty kata
    kon tiki
    katy Hopkins
    kunta kinti

  23. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    anyone fancy a movie quiz?

    1. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Na, fancy a pint?

      1. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        its 11am
        I aint my grandad

        1. Kings of Lyon ★
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Time is only a concept

          1. Costa's Counsellor
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            It's not even linear.

          2. John t penguin
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 3 months ago

            its a concept my local sticks to though

            1. Costa's Counsellor
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 3 months ago

              Sounds like they need Einstein.

    2. Costa's Counsellor
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      It's as if you read my mind*!

      *post

    3. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Why not.

  24. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    girl in shop today asked if I wanted bite of her iced swirly bun

    1. Woeisme
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      B1tch

  25. Costa's Counsellor
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Alberto Moreno

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Sorry, just writing some sh1t to get to the new page.

      1. Now I'm Panicking
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        I thought that was one of your better posts 😛

    2. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      4!

  26. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    LOL @ us.

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Amazing, isn't it?

      All of these great minds together in one place and we can't have an adult discussion between us.

      1. Costa's Counsellor
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Nipples.

  27. Numb
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Will the balance shift after GW27?

    I.e. At the moment everyone is brining in Leicester and Southampton player but....

    If any of City, Everton, Liverpool or Newcastle turn out to have a game in GW30, surely the attention will switch to these teams?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah

      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      There'll be more competition for attention but Leicester and Southampton still sit 1st and 4th on the ticker between gws 28 and 33.

      1. britlander
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Any Soton attackers interesting you?

          • 10 Years
          8 years, 3 months ago

          Shane Long interested me but ultimately I went for Vardy.

  28. Saint & Reevesy
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    Firmino --> Arnautovic

    Yes or No?

    1. BadgersBoys
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

    2. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

    3. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      No

      1. Saint & Reevesy
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 3 months ago

        Why no Lateriser?

    4. Santi sensei
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

    5. Sepp Blattered
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

  29. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    I have stopped scrolling up

  30. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 3 months ago

    28 posts now...