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Scout Report – Danilo

Manchester City followed up their acquisition of Kyle Walker by further strengthening their options at right-back with the signing of versatile Real Madrid defender Danilo for a reported fee of £26.5 million.

The 26-year-old agreed a five-year deal at the Etihad and, according to City Director of Football Txiki Begiristain, will prove to be a valuable acquisition due to his ability to play in a number of different positions:

“Danilo is a fine player who offers great versatility to our squad. He can operate in several different roles in both defence and midfield, increasing Pep’s options ahead of the new season. We feel he has all the attributes needed to succeed at City and we look forward to helping him develop during his time here.”

The History

Danilo started out at América Futebol Clube in his native Brazil at the age of 12 and went on to make his professional debut for the club in 2010.

Later that year, he moved to Santos and was part of the side that won the Copa Libertadores in 2011.

He made 65 appearances for Santos in all competitions, registering 10 goals and four assists, before joining Porto in January 2012.

During his three-and-a-half year spell in Portugal, Danilo featured 137 times in all competitions, racking up 12 goals and 15 assists playing almost exclusively at right-back, with only the occasional outing at left-back.

His impressive form during the 2014/15 season led to a move to Real Madrid at the end of that campaign.

The Brazilian made 23 league starts during his first season in Spain, producing two goals and five assists, but that figure dropped to 17 starts last term, yielding just one goal and two assists.

Danilo represented Brazil at U20 and U23 levels before making his senior debut against Argentina in September 2011.

He has appeared 15 times for his country, registering two assists, although he has recently been out of favour.

The Prospects

After releasing both Pablo Zabaleta and Bacary Sagna, City should be far stronger in the right-back position this season following the arrivals of Walker and Danilo.

Monaco defender Benjamin Mendy has also signed in the last 24 hours and is expected to be the first-choice left-back, with Danilo also providing cover in that area following the summer departures of Gael Clichy and Aleksandar Kolarov.

Fernandinho also offers another alternative in either full-back position and started at left-back in the 2-0 friendly defeat to Manchester United last week.

Danilo has only played 11 matches in his career at left-back, though, with even less playing time as a defensive midfielder. But given Guardiola’s flexible tactical approach, we should not discount Danilo being used in this role.

Standing six foot tall, Danilo’s natural athleticism and physical attributes are perfectly suited to that of a modern day full-back, while he has also the technical characteristics that should fit well in a Guardiola side.

The Brazilian international is comfortable in possession, with his time playing in midfield making him appear ideally suited to the inverted full-back role that Guardiola has introduced in recent seasons.

While those strengths weren’t particularly required at Real Madrid, where full-backs Marcelo and Dani Carvajal like to operate close to the touchline, he perhaps looks to be a better fit at the Etihad than Walker, who is more in the Carvajal mold.

Looking at Danilo’s underlying statistics from last season, he averaged a key pass every 82.67 minutes, which lagged behind Walker (76.62).

He did have a slight edge in terms of goal threat though, producing a shot every 135.27 minutes last term, slightly better than Walker’s 144.72.

The defensive numbers also suggest there is very little to choose between the pair.

Walker boasted a successful tackle rate of 80% last season, edging Danilo (79.7%), while the former Real Madrid defender averaged a clearance, block or interception (CBI) every 17.10 minutes, slightly superior to Walker (19.45).

There looks little to choose between the two players, then, and given Guardiola’s fondness for rotation, there is an obvious concern as to whether either player will be a viable Fantasy asset.

The fact that Walker knows the Premier League should give him an advantage early on, but once the UEFA Champions League group stage begins in September, the likelihood of rotation appears high.

Walker is priced at 6.5 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL), with Danilo likely to command a similar price tag. But there is a chance he may come in at a slightly cheaper 6.0, given that he isn’t expected to be the first-choice.

City’s schedule over the opening six Gameweeks (bha, EVE, bou, LIV, wat, CPL) is pretty kind, and providing captain Vincent Kompany is fully fit, there are opportunities for clean sheets which should reap defensive points.

Guardiola’s side kept four in the final eight matches when Kompany was back in the starting XI, and with no central defenders brought in so far this summer, the Belgian’s fitness will again be critical to City’s resilience.

So while Walker and Danilo offer the potential to deliver points at both ends of the pitch, the threat of rotation at full-back could drive Fantasy managers to look elsewhere.

Kompany, meanwhile, is kindly priced at 6.0, and provides both a strong set-piece threat and decent bonus point potential (he averaged a CBI every 13.49 minutes last term).

The signing of Danilo is set to dent Walker’s Fantasy appeal, then, although the England international is currently the fifth most popular defender in FPL, sitting in 18.7% of squads.

City’s backline won’t be seen as a priority with initial squads and the concerns over rotation only provide another barrier to investment.

Premium options from Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United appear safer bets at this point, with the attacking upside of either Walker or Danilo hindered by the uncertainty surrounding their pitch time.

Further Reference

Danilo Wikipedia

Danilo Transfer Markt Page

Danilo You Tube Highlights

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  1. The Ownership Debate
    Make Arrows Green Again
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    The ‘ownership’ debate

    I see so much, SO much about ownership and the idea that not having a certain player can hurt if he 'explodes' or gets a haul. I'm quite keen to get the discussion going in the hope that we can demonstrate that this approach is not only given too much prominence but it is downright harmful. Sadly, I think a lot of people see the 'ownership' concept bandied about and they take it on board as a given without really stopping to consider whether it even makes sense.

    I understand the argument for going for players who are owned by a high proportion of FPL managers. If a player is owned by everyone except me, and he scores well on a given week (especially GW 1), then I will start off behind literally everyone else. There are several counters to this argument.

    1.) Other variables: The most highly-owned player in the game so far is Lukaku. He is owned by less than half of the total registered managers at 48%. It is rare for any single player to be much above 50% ownership at the start of the season. This means that there are as more people going without Lukaku as with him. Couple this with the fact that you have ten other players in your starting XI and there are hundreds of possible combinations of players. Your decision to IGNORE player x will be balanced by your decision to SELECT players y and z. There are so many variables that going with or without a particular player is only one piece of the jigsaw.

    2.) Ownership works both ways: If I ignore a highly-owner player in favour of another who does better, I automatically do better (admittedly in this one position - see above) than most other managers, and I steal a march on them. There's more to it than this though. Say most managers select Lukaku, but i ignore him and go for Aguero who has much lower ownership at 9%. I make my decisions from the available data, form and fixtures. I have chosen Aguero in this hypothetical scenario because I think he will outscore Lukaku. I consider myself to be in the top few percent of FPL managers, as do most of us here I’m sure, so why do I care if 50% of the rest prefer someone else? Their opinions don't matter to me IF think I know better. If my whole team is based on ownership it is hard to do better than the average.

    3.) Price rises and falls: These work like a gradient. The higher the ownership the steeper the downward slope, and vice versa. Selecting a player with high ownership for the sake of it, and ignoring my own doubts about the validity of this selection, means that I am much more likely to lose value if he doesn't perform from the outset. In my hypothetical Lukaku vs Aguero debate, if Lukaku blanks in GW1 and Aguero scores a brace, which is perfectly possible, Lukaku will fall more quickly (and Aguero rise more quickly) than would be the case if the points tallies were reversed. There is therefore an argument for saying that if you absolutely cannot decide between two similar players, you should go for the one with the LOWEST ownership.

    TLDR: Ownership is a distraction and I argue that it should be completely ignored as a selection tool because: highly-owned hauls are balanced by highly-owned blanks; a given player is only one member of your team; because if I think I know best then I focus on my own choices and let the 'masses' fall into the obvious traps; and because high ownership can lead to rapid price drops and slow price rises.

    Please feel free to contribute to the debate, and sorry for the long'un! I could write a similar rant about 'differentials', 'he's due a [blank / haul etc.]' and to a lesser extent ‘coverage’. If you’re really unlucky then I just might.

    P.S. as it happens I will be selecting Lukaku. I actually wish I had good reason to doubt him as a pick because it would be great to feel that I could get my nose in front from the off by selecting someone else

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 17 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Big subject - some big points. Have another HT.

      1. Make Arrows Green Again
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm a REALLY fast typer. This turned out very long. Perhaps it should have been a community article. Sorry 🙂

        1. It’s a Knockaert
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          How do you put a graph in an article?

    2. Mikeharbrw
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I don't think you should be held to ransom by it; but there's no harm in bearing it in mind. There should be some wisdom in that 48% crowd.

    3. That Fantasy Guy
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Great read, thank you.

    4. Sjaugen
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Kind fixtures seems to support high ownership pre gw1

    5. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      For me it is understanding why a player has high ownership. Lukaku is basically owned by 50% of teams. Why is this?

      1) He has proven PL form playing for weaker teams (WBA and Everton)
      2) He has good fixtures to start with
      3) He is the nailed on Utd striker

      So for me Lukaku, irrespective of ownership, looks a good buy for the GW1 team.

      1. Boris Bodega
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He plays for Utd and a lot of their fans will pick him, and United have a lot of fans.

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Is one reason along with many others. Most people who own him will not be UTD fans.

    6. Prokoptas
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      This is a really interesting comment - made for some interesting reading. In my opinion, ownership is probably a criteria that is given too much weight. However, I think there are specific situations in which a player's ownership (specifically in the case of FFS-ers, I would say a player's top 10k ownership) can be something to consider later in the season, when looking to consolidate a position in order to meet personal goals.

      The question seems to boil down to risk mitigation. In terms of OVR ranking, ownership is negatively correlated with risk - having highly-owned players throughout your team will decrease the magnitude of position changes to your OVR (either positively or negatively). Therefore, that is the lens through which you need to evaluate the ownership criteria. Early in the season, it's largely inconsequential to me - but during the last 10 weeks or so, when I'm pushing for a specific rank, then it's something I would consider taking into account.

      1. TopMarx
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Largely backing up what you say, I thought you might enjoy this article https://whichtransfer.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/the-forgotten-statistic/ by a former number 2 in the HoF (you know I like my HoFs!)

        1. Prokoptas
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Cheers!

        2. RedLightning
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          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Interesting, but he only considers 2 of the 3 possibilities.
          1. He buys a high ownership player rather than a low ownership one, and his rank does not change much.
          2. He buys the low ownership player, but the high ownership one outscores him, so his rank plummets.
          3. (The one he doesn't consider). He buys the low ownership player, who outscores the high ownership one, and his rank shoots up.

          As RedArrows points out, it's a risk and reward thing.
          You can play safe and your rank will not change much. Or you can take a risk and your rank may either shoot up or drop down.

          It's not easy to take the third option and get it right, but that's what is necessary at least sometimes if you want to give yourself a chance of beating the herd.

        3. Econ Man
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Fascinating, although I'm not convinced by his explanation. His strategy of picking highly owned players in the top 10k is not going to be successful because it reduces risk (it does, but that doesn't explain why the yield is higher). It is the fact that high ownership indicates that a player is under-priced, and therefore a good asset. The market is basically telling you the player is a good bet. And what do we know about the efficiency of markets? They sure are hard to beat. I think it's probably better to look at the picks of the over-time top 10k rather than the current top 10k though. There is going to be selection bias in the player ownership of top the 10k in each season. Players who score highly because of luck, will have higher ownership in this group.

      2. britlander
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Overall ownership is kinda pointless, but ownership among the top 10k, or whatever bracket you fall it, is pretty important. High-performing players like Kane/Alli/Sanchez last year had 80%+ ownership in the top 10k, going without them would lead to a significant drop if you were in that bracket.

        1. chdixon90
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          sorry to be dense, how do you get access to top 10k ownership?

          1. Forza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            https://fpldiscovery.wordpress.com/ will have it after the first gameweek.

        2. Ephurion
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Lukaku at 90+% too. If you didn't captain him you wanted him to blank even if you owned him. Was weird.

      3. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Great post and have to say I agree with everything you have said.

        I've never been interested in ownership, I just pick who I believe will score the most. Simples.

      4. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Great article.

        I think overall your right. Can be misleading measure for sure. A bit like lemmings going over a cliff together.

      5. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        +1

        But I don't many people on here will agree with all the flak I got for snubbing Lukaku and Kane

      6. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        The reason players have high ownership is that they are expected to do well, so the odds are that you are more likely to get hurt than gain a big advantage

      7. Cok3y5murf
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        While all this is true, I don't think anyone selects a player solely due to ownership. Lukaku is not selected BECAUSE he has high ownership. He has high ownership because he is selected. And he is selected because of valid reasons like fixtures, proven goalscorer, etc. Lukaku for me is a slightly better pick than Aguero. We are not following any herd here. If we were, we would be selecting Kante over Eriksen just because he has higher ownership.

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yes, we have to look beyond ownership to the reasons behind it.

          Kante's higher ownership probably derives from autopicks, casuals who pick him because he was last season's player of the season in real life, and other casuals who see that he already has a high ownership.
          His ownership is likely to be far lower amongst experienced players who understand fantasy football.

          But the far higher ownership for Lukaku is at least partly due to the fact that many experienced players consider him to be an excellent pick, considering his successful past record, his transfer to a stronger team, his good fixtures and his captaincy potential.

          1. Cok3y5murf
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Yeah, exactly.

      8. Speédy
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Great work mate

      9. FPL ZB
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        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        The only place I see ownership being an issue is in the non-playing 4.0s and 4.5s for price falls, such as Rangel

        1. Hanked
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Good point. Forgot about that, I'm switching to a random 4.0 instead.

        2. FPLzebub
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Is that actually true? Do we have any stats on this? I thought price falls were determined by losing a certain % of their ownership so whether they are highly owned or not shouldn't make a difference.

          1. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            They are, but a player who is hyped up and then disappoints may suffer big sales and price drops, whereas a random player who is only owned by a few ghost ship teams may be more likely to retain his ownership.

      10. Batchain
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Good point, and about time someone made it. Ownership doesn't matter - it's only about how many points you think a player will get - that's all.

        On another canard. People mistakenly think they need a range of teams covered. I often read - "I have no xxx coverage". This is also bollox. If you think a team is good and their players will score more points (for the price) you should have those players, even if they're from one team. There is a slight argument against this in that bonus points are limited for one team, but this is a tiny consideration.

        1. Yellin' in my Ear
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Exactly, why people think you shouldn't choose Kane or Eriksen because you have Alli in your team is ridiculous. Choose who you think will get the most points. The only time this makes sense is from a defensive perspective where all players score the same for their main target (clean sheets) with extra funds for attacking returns and where you're more likely to bench for a tough fixture.

      11. Sebastes
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Very good post Red, thanks!

        I agree with overall ownership levels getting too much attention. I personally think a lot about points 1 and 2 in your post and whenever I see a highly owned player I try hard too find reasons not to pick them/to find a better alternative.

        When it comes to 3) I haven't given that much thought, but it's a really good point this early in the season.

        With all this said, there's still imo merit in looking at ownership levels in the top few percent. An excellent example being among managers in a community like FFS, as the picks that emerge from the collective intelligence here over time outperform what any of us could come up with were we isolated and making decisions without influence from the expertise in this community.

        I also have Lukaku in my current draft, and can't see him going anywhere.

      12. Uppercut Panda - A legend i…
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Counter number 1 - "this means that there are as more people going without Lukaku as with him.".. I think more consideration should have been given to the fact that those going without Lukaku are not flocking to a single player but a number of players, which reduces the risk of going for Lukaku... right?

      13. Concentration
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Comment 3) is the biggie for me. Lukaku is worth keeping as I think people will persevere even if he starts with 2 blanks.

        For the likes of Coutinho, Rooney and in particular Zaha if he gets nothing against Huddersfield, their prices will drop like flies.

      14. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        There is only one poster really that is pushing this and believing his own hype, and we all know who that is. He fell flat on his face with it last season and started to backtrack and the same thing will likely happen this season

        1. Bojan Horsemack
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          ?

      15. Limbo
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Great analysis. I've always been of the assumption that differentials are way more important. Which is kind of obvious. Own the players that get you the most points, every now and then it means picking bandwagon (mahrez, holebas etc), be prepared to take a measured punt and look to form and fixtures.

        Picking a player simply because they are popular is daft.

      16. The Legend Squad
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm afraid I disagree with this, to a degree. Ownership isn't everything - you won't beat the masses by imitating them - but it is important.

        1) We measure our performance in this game relative to the performance of other teams. So, we should take into account how other teams should perform when building our squad. This helps minimise the risk of falling behind when a largely owned player hauls. Highly owned players are typically fantasy pedegree playing for top teams, so will be more likely to have good GWs than bad. However, if you do identify an in form, points scoring differential...

        2) Fantasy Premier League managers are relatively efficient these days in picking up on the in form differentials. So that even if you identify one ahead of time, then the advantage will not last long.

        3) Yes, if you were a star fantasy analyst who could choose the GW topping differentials each week based on form, fixtures, statistical analysis etc, then ownership wouldn't matter. But this is nearly impossible. There is an element of random involved.

        A tactic that has been discussed on here a lot is balancing ownership. Create a team with a number of highly owned players and a few (3-4 maybe) differentials. That was you protect your against the masses, whilst allowing decent rank gains if the differentials haul.

      17. Hymie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        To use a markets analogy, you can either try to get "alpha" (outperformance) or "beta" (index hugging average performance).

        From time to time, the best players will be the most popular, but often the latter follows the former; 'chasing last week's points' comes to mind.

        "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine." - Benjamin Graham

        1. Hanked
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          This is spot on. I don't think it occurs to most FPL managers that they are using a trading platform to trade assets who yield a weekly dividend. You could win FPL without ever having watched a football match.

      18. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        There are many FPL factors that run side by side with ownership and obviously this has a bearing on success, but ultimately demonstrating the effect of the ownership issue comes down to statistics, so if anyone fancies running a model ?

        I did not own Lukaku much last season, and when he hauled big time it had a huge effect on rank.

        For anyone who is part of the Norwegian Fantasy league where by points are updated 'live' and change in rank is immediately visible as players gain points, you can see the ownership issue in its full glory ... point by point. Owning a differential player that hauls sends you up the rank, but not owning a well-owned player that hauls sends you down the rank much quicker that when a lowly owned players has a big haul.

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Suppose you have a choice between two players - player A who scores 10 points in the first game-week and 2 in the next, and player B who gets 2 points in the first and 10 in the second.

          If you own player A then your rank will improve in the first game-week but drop back in the second.
          If instead you own player B then your rank will drop down in the first game-week but improve in the second.

          After the two game-weeks, your rank will be the same if you own player A as it would be if you own player B.

          The ups and downs may be greater if you have the player with low ownership than if you have the one with high ownership, but the net effect after the two game-weeks will be the same in both cases.

          1. Hotdogs for Tea
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I don't disagree with what you put forward, but ownership is a strange concept to grasp.

            On the Norwegian fantasy league I know that when a well owned player that I don't own gets a haul, then I drop like a brick, but when my 'differential' I do own fails to haul, I don't drop like a brick. This is a fact that I see updated 'live' with every goal or assist or clean sheet. This is real red arrow territory, avoided by owning the well owned players that score heavily.

            I don't begin to suggest I understand it fully, but it certainly happens.

      19. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Pretty much agree but would just like to adjust this sentence:

        "3. Price rises and falls: These work like a gradient. The higher the ownership the steeper the downward slope, and vice versa."

        It's not quite as simple as that because it depends WHO owns the player. A lot of teams don't make many transfers and go dead fairly soon in the season. That acts as a kind of inertia which slows price drops for very highly owned players. Aguero last season was an example, despite repetitive benchings after Xmas he still only fell very slowly and never lost more than 0.2m (I think) from his starting price. Might have been 0.3m. And even that took quite a long time.

        The dangerous players to own are those that are highly owned on FFS (or by those that follow the articles on FPL) but have lower general ownership. The "clever", ITK picks. If they fail you can see rapid and debilitating price drops as managers get off the bandwagon, which they will tend to do as a herd. These are active managers and the inertial brake isn't there.

        Walcott a couple of seasons back was a prime example. He was a FFS pre-season bandwagon, didn't get started by Wenger and had a huge price collapse, he had lost around 0.7m by GW4 as I recall.

        1. FPLzebub
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          This is a really good point. Casual owners are much less fickle than FFS members and price wise are 'safe' picks. If a player becomes a bandwagon because he starts well (like Capoue last season) he rarely drops quickly as casuals often pick players who are the current highest scorers at that price point irrespective of fixtures. Scout bandwagons based on good fixtures or promising stats are 'dangerous' picks as if they don't deliver they will rapidly lose value.

        2. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I'd +2 if I could Ruth. Good point.

      20. PvA
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        First, I'd like to say that I appreciate your opinion.

        If you think ownership is a distraction and if you ignore it, you will never gain consistency in FPL mark my words. Your scores will fluctuate dramatically week to week, leaving your OR a complete toss up - depending on how bad your red arrows were.

        There is no smoke without fire. Ownership does not randomly occur in a player (except players auto-picked like Kante). If a player is highly owned, they most likely have really good form, fixtures or even both.

        On the price thing, that's a whole different topic. Price rises aren't too important. It's most likely that people with high value teams pay the price with a poor rank because of the hits and punts they take. Past winners of the game have won it with TVs of around 104m, no problem.

        Put some respect on ownership's name.

      21. Futureways
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        "... why do I care if 50% of the rest prefer someone else? Their opinions don't matter to me IF think I know better ..."
        Well, the problem is believing to know better. Selecting another striker will mean that you'll basically be betting on
        1) "Lukaku to blank AND [my striker of choice] to score"
        instead of
        2) "Lukaku to score OR [my striker of choice] to blank".

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          This could be simplified to
          1. "My striker of choice to outscore Lukaku" and
          2. "Lukaku to outscore my striker of choice"

      22. PvA
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        To counter each point

        1) If you look at it by saying more than half the players don't have Lukaku - you're basically playing on your own against dead teams. Enjoy.

        2) People are quick to pounce on good differentials, so they won't last long. Also, if you think you know more than around half a million people, go ahead.

        3) That's a different debate. Tactics to gain a high TV typically hurt your OR. This is because they involve many punts and hits.

      23. Make Arrows Green Again
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks everyone for participating. I hadn't thought of the 'top 10k' angle, but I'm thinking of the start of the season really. True, ownership in the top 10k is a useful indicator. It's interesting that Crabtree didn't pick any Liverpool players. The ownership of Coutinho was 0% of the top 1, which is a funny way of thinking of things! This opinion piece was very much about picking players for the start of the season.

        I see what you mean about the wisdom of the crowd thing. I am not saying that ownership is completely useless as a starting point, just that I see so many post from people saying "I don't want to choose x but I'm worried about his ownership" which is the wrong way of doing things. If you have reasons to pick and neglect, then go with them.

        I agree with you Prokoptas when you say you can use ownership to play the averages and manage risk. This is particularly important late in a season when you need to consolidate.

        Excellent point by Zouma's Bloomers: ownership is everything when it comes to bench fodder. Go with the unpopular ones!

      24. alexmj
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm not having it, nothing that was 48%-52% has ever turned out badly.

        1. bodgejob
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Slippin' Jimmeh

        2. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I just got this. Brilliant XD

      25. diesel001
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Only four players at the moment, IMO, that will hurt your rank:

        - Kane
        - Lukaku
        - Alli
        - Coutinho

        Most FFS teams will probably have those 4 anyway.

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          They only hurt your rank if you don't own them and they outperform your differentials - or if you do own them and they underperform.
          In the former case, you miss the chance to stay with the crowd.
          In the latter, you miss the chance to get ahead of them.

      26. tm245
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        This was an excellent post, thoughtful and well laid out.

        I think the top 10k ownership stats are very significant to many on here because that is their metric for success more so than the actual points they score. Rarely on these boards will you find someone talking about how many overall points they have, but the focus on overall rank is real. What that tells us is that the adage "just pick the players who you think will score the most points" makes sense in theory, but in practice if you are playing a ranking game and not a points game, then you do care what others are doing. The Top 10K stats on FPLDiscovery and the price change information on FPLStats are incredibly advantageous to this community.

        Couple that with the irrationality of your FFS audience being a forum, in the original sense of the word, of score checks, braggadocio, inside information, and the FOMO that is the anxiety of the Internet age, and all of a sudden the strategy of outperforming your fellow player as well as the Fear Of Missing Out become the most important parts of the game. Not the points, not the action on the pitch, but how well you did against your competition.

        Many are amazed at people who play FPL without watching football -- I'd be just as interested to hear about the people who do well without using FFS, FPLDiscovery, and FPLStats, who just watch the action and pick the players who they think will score the most points.

        1. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Thanks TM245, and your comment was equally well-put and made interesting reading.

          Interestingly, I am one such person. I don't really watch any premier league football (I watch MOTD about twice a season) and I get most of my football knowledge from statistics and excellent sites such as this. I do, however, follow all live games I can on the radio and on my phone in real time updates (BBC etc.). I'm not a spectacular players but my last two seasons were c.50k; c.11k.

      27. Feyzi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Very useful post.

        But does it not all come down to belief/risk balance.

        Assume Lukaku is owned by 99% + we have 1 slot for forwards. If I have Lukaku I will only fear the 1%, but I will not be trying to outrun the 99%. If I choose Agüero, that means I believe Lukaku will not score and I will be in the top 1%. Is it a big risk I am taking? Depends on my belief? If I fear Lukaku, it is a big risk.If I think he is inconsistent and not yet adopted, it is a mild risk (for me).

        Therefore, I agree, you are right, it is an exaggerated issue, ownership, but then again it depends on how firm you are in your beliefs.

        Another example, if cannot differntiate between Lukaku, Kane, Agüero, Lacazette, Morata and find all to be equal, the rest depends on what personality I have and what risk I am willing to take; if I am the risk-adverse person, I will get Lukaku so I am not too low in rankings. If I enjoy risks, then I will skip it and take my chance.

      28. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Ownership is something I have never looked at in my fpl career and never will. Such a dull concept. Yuck.

      29. jesperdalagersuri
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        You are completely correct. I'll still take comfort in failing with 20 + % of players if Zaha is outscored (over the 2 first weeks combined, before I use 2 free transfers to change 4th mid and 3rd forward most likely) by the 9% who have Willian at present. My choice of Zaha over Willian is based on starting fixtures for the most part though, not ownership.

      30. baldyweev
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Completely agree with almost all of this. People are worried about 'high ownership' yet still looking for 'differentials'. Both are fallacies and I just pick the player I think will get more points.

      31. christoff
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        the answer is simple. people do things based on fear and laziness. And then in a game with a lot of uncertainty, these decisions are magnified. So everyone stick with the crowd!

        For those like yourself who make informed, fearless decisions, have no doubt, whether you choose a 50% owned player or 1%, and whether it works out or not, you have made the effort to make a good decision.

        Good, timely decision making + some luck = fpl points, right?

        Its like poker, I could just go all-in every hand, or I could examine the clues, why a person raised / or just called and when they did it and by how much. Sure, i'll lose to some dumb luck every so often, but eventually, my good decision-making process will win out over fear or ignorance based decision-making 🙂

      32. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        It just depends how conservative people want to be. Choosing a highly owned player is a defensive move that will have less impact on overall rank.

        The reverse is to choose a low ownership player in a bid to make large gains in overall rank but at the risk of losing ground. Its just a matter of risk and reward.

        How many highly owned players someone has depends on how ambitious they are, whether they want to play it safe in the beginning or whether they want to hit the ground running.

      33. Hot Fuzz
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Great read redarrows thank you for this..... i dont enjoy herd playing much and see totally your point here.Also red lighting reply is great to this debate.Well all together i would like to choose a different way then lukaku but form and fixtures is so overwhelming that i cant resist not having him...... so i gonna try to be different to the herd in my captain choice my estimation is for gameweek 1 that most likely 47.99999% will captain kaku.... but i wont ......so with this iam going with the herd but being the black sheep...hahah thank you again for this great read....

      34. trikster102
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I think it just comes down to having a safe captain option at the end of the day. You know that pretty much everyone who owns him (almost 50% all teams) will have his as captain most weeks. So if you don't have him as your captain or even have him in your team and he get's a massive haul, then your screwed. Don't take chances with your captain, that's what your other 10 players are for.

    7. City's Defence still failing in Fantasy?
      Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      United defence yesterday, City today for the Hot Topic and poll.

      Man City have now compiled the most expensive defence in the history of football. So how come we’re still thinking twice when it comes to Fantasy investment?

      What’s your opinion on the City options? Does it all depend on Kompany’s fitness? Does the threat of rotation kill it off completely as an option?

      Will Ederson make a difference?

      Will you not be tempted by the attacking potential of the new full-backs?

      We’ve also created a poll to sample your feelings on Pep’s rearguard.

      1. Mikeharbrw
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        If Kompany isn't fit that defence is pretty brittle imo. Stones looks good aesthetically but you don't keep clean sheets based on aesthetics. Otamendi is ok but him + Stones = comedy errors leading to goals

      2. FPL Hitman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Pep's style more attacking, may concede the odd goal on counter-attack

      3. VS10_
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm not sure if I'll start with one as 3/5 players are new in that backline and it might take time to make that work. I like Mendy and his assist potential but he also suffered muscle injuries in several different occasions last season and missed games, so that is something to be wary of.

      4. diesel001
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Why no CIty:

        1) Rotation - Walker, Danilo, Mendy, Stones, Otamendi will all share games
        2) Kompany keeps getting calf injuries
        3) Most of the back 5 (inc GK) are new to each other and need to develop an understanding. Even Kompany could be considered 'new' given how few games he plays every season.
        4) Pep does not have a defensive mentality which translates through to the team.

      5. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        All I see is mass rotation issues. I need players who are gonna start week in week out.

        To many variables in that man city team.

        Pep likes to rotate and will have too, to keep everyone happy.

        I'm staying clear for the time being.

        1. ooooo
          • 6 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          No KDB?

          1. Tommyg
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Yeah might be the exception, and I like him as a player but he just doesn't have that explosive quality that you need from a 10mil player. At 10 you need him to be a cpataincy option and I don't feel he is.

      6. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I think it's an issue throughout the whole team. Explosive start is quite possible but hard to know where points will go. Aguero generally starts well, but the defence is far less reliable.

        That said Walker and Mendy is an exciting prospect, expect one of them to basically be camped in the other half the whole time.

      7. Respect My Authoritah
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        A fit Kompany makes it fairly solid, but Kompany probably the only viable pick.

        Without him they'll fall to pieces.

      8. Prokoptas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        City's defensive potential is something really difficult to quantify, simply because we don't have detailed data on the new players (Ederson, Mendy, Danilo), and the numbers we have on Walker now carry an asterix because of the new system. This makes it tough to project any kind of benchmark with confidence.

        From a qualitative angle, though, I think they could do okay. In weeks 5-10, City play Watford, Palace, Chelsea, Stoke, Burnley and West Brom. Of these sides, only Chelsea managed more than 50 goals last seaon (a rough benchmark I use for attacking competence).

        Getting in a City defender after an early WC to take advantage of those fixtures could definitely prove worthwhile!

      9. D_wins_chips
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Is there a better midfielder or forward for only 6.5 than Walker/Mendy ? IMO maybe only Gayle. So yes they are definitely valuable.

      10. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Kompany is key to City's defence everyone else will rotate except him .

        As long as he remains fit City are good defensively and a goop FPL investment that easy for me

      11. QPRUTD
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm gonna stay clear of the city defense early on, assuming all the newly signed full backs are gonna be 6.5.
        If a gem turns up (like Alonso last season) then will be considering.

      12. Make Arrows Green Again
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Mark, my feelings on Pep's rearguard are deeply personal.

      13. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        At the start of the season I'm usually looking for under-priced players that will catch early rises, as the budget is limited.

        The City wing backs are likely to priced around 6.5m, making it hard for many managers to jump on them early if they start performing, slowing their rise.

        How many managers will have a 6.5m slot ready to go for a straight swap? And are players more likely to bring in attacking bandwagons in the midfield/forward positions than shoehorning in a premium defender?

        .
        On a side note, I think City's defensive performance, and season, will depend on the fitness of Kompany. He is a crucial player for them, and a fragile one.

      14. FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Could even see Kompany rotated before key CL fixtures

      15. ste_the_legend
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        City's emphasis is on attack and scoring goals. I'm not drawn in by their heavy defensive investment this summer. They will be winning far more games 2-1 and 3-1 than they will win 1-0. Kompany is their only defender who is actually good at defending and his injury record is appalling. The others are there as much for their ability going forward as anything.

        I will be steering well clear of their defenders or keeper.

      16. Concentration
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Not an issue with clean sheets for me, more with rotation. Not prepared to spend on their pricey defenders when none of them are likely to play 4 games out of 5.

        Even the central defenders were getting regularly rotated last season. Likes of Alderweireld and Vertonghen or Koscielny are far more guaranteed to play regularly without rotation and so are more useful to pick.

        Can't see many on here wanting to call upon their £4.5m defenders on the bench with a bad fixture because you have the wrong one of Danilo and Walker. Literally 50/50 who plays each week for me.

      17. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        As you wrote - too much rotation to invest in the full backs, and Kompany has to stay fit or it's not worth approaching that defense

        + they are expensive

        Expensive defs cannot risk being rotated or aren't good options

      18. slamdunk
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Im staying clear of any city players at first,right or wrong i dont know but im not prepared to risk it till we know more about who starts etc As someone said KDB is gonna sit deep and at some point for .5 more hazard will be back and imo will have more points at the end of the season

      19. alexmj
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        They do tend to start well and concede few goals in the first few games

      20. twoplustwo
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        They are a reasonably good bet because they will have a ridiculous amount of possession

        1. Concentration
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Ederson should be considered for this reason and looks the most likely banker regular starter.

          Issue is likely to be lack of bonus points and price tag though. Lots seem reluctant to spend £5.5m on a keeper.

      21. Feyzi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Guardiola being a manager with emphasis on clean sheets in the past, I think City will do better this year but will reach their highest clean sheet potential next year. I think a defence's potential is very much up to experience in the particular league and playing together. Newcomers will not easily adapt to the league and Danilo and Mendy will need time. For me, this year, only Walker is an option. Having said that, I do find him indispensable. I cannot risk City doing better clean sheets than last year and Walker doing better.

    8. TOBY1
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      When do new players go into the game? How long does it take.

      Want to get Hernandez and mendy in my team!

      1. VS10_
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I would expect Riedewald, Mendy, Danilo and Chicharito to be added today.

        1. The King
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Thanks

      2. The King
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I also wanna know this

    9. That Fantasy Guy
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Just finished up a draft - it seems you cant trade between managers. Is this a bug or stock standard for the game? Trading is a big part of draft games in my limited experience.

      1. DD
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Its intentional to prevent collusion most likely.

        1. sugarmonster
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          You can just add a "veto" vote feature by the other players to stop collusion. Seems like a major oversight to not allow trades.

    10. The King
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Stay far from timid, only make moves if your hearts in it, live the phrase skies the limit!

    11. Patty
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      In a draft.
      A. Deeney
      B. Berahino
      C. Jay Rodriguez

      Also need a gk to rotate with Heaton
      1. Hart
      2. Butland

    12. The King
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      How do you think I'm looking?

      Foster
      Ake - Alonso - Trippier - Lindelof
      Alli - Sane - Phillips
      Lukaku - Kane - King

      Elliot, mariappa, Carrol; L Cheek.

      Cheers

      1. DD
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Not convinced by King. For an extra 0.5 you could have Defoe instead who will likely play further forward and take spot kicks from King. Alternatively downgrade to Austin/Gayle and upgrade Lindelof to Bailly. (Lindelof is looking a bit shaky and i dont think he is nailed on to start. A lot depends on his super cup performance.)

      2. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Looks pretty strong. I'd downgrade lindelof and upgrade Phillips though

    13. 007 [RoboKlopp]
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Want to down grade Redmond to Milivojevic as my 4th mid, as he take dead ball situations.

      A. Nice idea
      B. Not worth try

      Thx you.

      1. ooooo
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        A I don't really rate Redmond

      2. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        C. Avoid both

      3. nonprophet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        A

    14. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      RMT please guys 🙂

      Cech (Elliot)

      Cedric / Kompany / McCauley (Rangel / Rosenior)

      Willian / Alli / Sane / Zaha

      Defoe / Lukaku / Lacazette

      Any feedback much appreciated.

      1. Athletic Nasherbo
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Remove McAuley as I think he won't feature as much this year. Other than that good team. Good luck!

      2. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        McAuley, Zaha and Defoe are the ones to look at here. Maybe downgrade Kompany and Cech and sprinkle the savings around

        1. Qaiss
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          You not a fan of Zaha or Defoe then?

    15. Neo-Viper
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Austin to J Rod
      Zaha to either Tadic / Redmond

      Good transfers ? Gives me 2 in the Bank..

      1. Neo-Viper
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Anything on this guys ?

        1. David Slade
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Austin and Zaha should be better overall imo.

    16. chilli con kone
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      This is random but does anyone know any mids from promoted clubs who are likely to score high on Tackles, Interceptions and Recoveries?

      'Kante Rule' for extra points is now in the original draft game and I have to pick a promoted player first.

    17. HurriKane
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      If Lindelof is nailed on he's a no brainer to get at only 5.5 right ?

      United fixtures- WHU swa LEI sto EVE sot CPL

      Lukaku Lindelof could be great source of points for the opening fixtures

      1. FPL Blow-In
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        His performances have been poor pre season so many think he may need time to gel. Likely he will eventually be nailed but not from the off is the doubt.

      2. chilli con kone
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I don't think he will be nailed to start the season which is the problem

        1. HurriKane
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          hmm interesting. haven't watched him in pre season yet

      3. ste_the_legend
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I think he will be brought in gradually. With the exception of Stam, United don't tend to rush foreign defenders into the team that are new to the PL. It took Vidic and Evra 18 months to establish themselves. There is no doubt that Lindelof and Bailly will be the best CB combo in the end but I think Jose will give him some time.

      4. David Slade
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Tackle he gave away for the pen was crazy. Not sure if he has history of that but if that is his playstyle then lots of cards.

    18. Patty
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Gabbiadini or Austin in a draft?

    19. FPL Blow-In
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Very few on here like Ozil as an fpl prospect. Tends to be repeated that he is "not a goalscorer" or "not a fan of Ozil".

      He has committed his future to Arsenal for this season after rumours of him leaving for a long time now. He also has Lacazette in front of him and no CL which is a big factor. Sanchez has not left yet although it's highly likely at this stage. He also scored 8 goals last season his most in a PL season yet. I don't understand what's not to like.

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        It simply boils down people thinking there are better options rather than not rating Ozil. Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool mids are more appealing

        1. FPL Blow-In
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Many people have stated their not a fan of Ozil or don't like him as a pick though. Willian and Fab are the other Chelsea mids now that Pedro is injured at only 7m I'm going for Willian myself.

      2. Prokoptas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I don't think people are negative on Ozil per se, so much as the bracket he has fallen into has so many other options. At 9.5 you can get in Alli, Eriksen, Mane...players who performed better than Ozil last season, and those fond memories will drive up interest and ultimately ownership. His 200pt campaign the year before last demonstrates his potential, though, and he could be an interesting differential if you prefer him to these other candidates.

      3. Qaiss
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Sanchez is not leaving though... So a front 3 of him, Ozil and Lacazette will be so dangerous.

        1. Waxys
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          In this new formation of kept Sanchez and Ozil will be behind Lacazette

          1. Qaiss
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Yes, 3-4-2-1 Ozil on the right, Sanchez on left and Lacazette in the middle. Cant wait to see it in action as an Arsenal fan myself!

            1. Boris Bodega
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              This Saturday hopefully, although maybe Sanchez won't be match fit yet.

              1. Concrete
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Sanchez on holiday until 1st August?

                1. Boris Bodega
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Maybe, I don't know.

          2. FPL Blow-In
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Exactly my thoughts if Sanchez stays and no CL surely Ozil benefits too right?

      4. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He is 9.5 .5 more than Coutinho.. and the same price as Alli.

        Yeah I can see why people don't want him.

        Plus he had way less assists this season than before.

        1. FPL Blow-In
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I can see the lure of the pool kids but likely high rotation there with CL right? Ozil nailed for 90 most games.

      5. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        KDB for 0.5 more.......simple

        1. FPL Blow-In
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah I have KDB but 4more midfield slots.

      6. A.T
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        If Sanchez leaves I think Ozil will shine.

    20. MichysFlow
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Would anyone be interested in joining a draft league. Draft is in ONE HOUR AND FIFTY MINUTES.

      CODE - 112616-31434

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm in

      2. MichysFlow
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        going to have to delete someone, apologies in advance

    21. adstomko
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Which pair?

      A) Alli & Morata
      B) Willian & Kane

      1. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        B, Kane for now.

        Despite myself personally going for A

      2. Qaiss
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        A personally. This has been a dilemma for me as well.

      3. Aubaaaaa
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        B

      4. Lebowski85
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        B. Fo sho

    22. Eric Banternaaa
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      First Draft.. RMT

      Begovic | Elliot
      Trippier | Luiz | Cedric | Mee | Daniels
      Salah | Mane | Zaha | Phillips | Carroll
      Lukaku | Jesus | Rooney/Hernandez

      Any feedback appreciated

    23. adstomko
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Anyone choosing 2 Liverpool midfielders to start with? I have gone for Coutinho and Salah

      1. Lebowski85
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I haven't seen many but it's not a bad approach. Between them they'll score and/or assist every game

    24. Obi-1 Kenobi-0
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Repost from yesterday.

      Can I ask what the situation regarding RLC is? I don't profess to be at all astute when it comes to knowledge of price changes (or FF overall for that matter) but surely if you're picking a 4.5 midfielder to just sit on your bench and never play, you'd be far better off picking one with low ownership so that he doesn't plummet your TV?

      If RLC doesn't play, he'll drop pretty quickly at his current ownership, no?

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        People are monitoring the situation in preseason. If it looks like he won't start most will get rid

        1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
          • 12 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Wild Rover you are in demand mate

          1. Wild Rover
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Replied 🙂

      2. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Won't start every game should play quite a bit he didn't join on loan to be benched the whole season.

        No one picks a 4.5 defender to never play. That's what the 4.0 defender is for

      3. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Consider reading the first post on this article, it is also a ht topic.

    25. Old Gregg
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Morning Y'all,

      Thoughts on this lot. Obvious Kane/Ali/Eriksen shaped hole.

      Foster
      Ake-Monreal-Bert-Trip
      Cout-Fab-KDB-Ramsey
      Kun-Kaku

      Myhil-T Carroll-Abrahams-Hunemier

      1. fishnil
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Fab -> Willian/Zaha?

        1. Old Gregg
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          THanks. Yes still not 100% on Fab. It will certainly be him or Willian.

    26. davies
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thoughts?

      Foster
      Trippier / Cedric / Francis
      KDB / Coutinho / Willian / Zaha
      Kane / Lukaku / Austin

      Elliot / Carroll / Mee / 4.0

      Cheers.

    27. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Anyone else having Salah for first 2 GW's (WAT, CPA) then upgrading to Alli for GW3 (BUR), can see Spurs struggling in their first 2 games

      1. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Yep Newcastle should beat Spurs 6-1 i would stay away too.

        Alli deffs won't rise in price at all in those two weeks making your move difficult to implement.

        🙂 reconsider please

        1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Wayno - You're a doughnut

          1. Waxys
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Such a weak stereotypical English 'insult'

            1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Alright Wayno - Keep it chilled mate! It's more an attack on your intelligence if you think Spurs will score 6 on day 1

              1. Waxys
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I think you need therapy if you didn't notice my obvious sarcasm

                1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Wayno what was your rank? You asked for mine...

        2. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Got .5 ITB

          1. Waxys
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Well that may work then.

            Just that most of us spend every cent so just let's us know before in the future any unique circumstances.

    28. HurriKane
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      No one considering Matip ?

      Liverpool finished the season strongly in defence with 5 cs in last 6 epl matches

      1. Qaiss
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        People like myself don't trust their defence. Never have, never will.

      2. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He's 5.5 better options at that price point.

        Maybe he will be a decent differential he's not an awful option

    29. 007 [RoboKlopp]
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Who is the best 6.5m striker?

      Now I choose Gayle, but dont know if his nailed.

      Thx you.

      1. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Gayle.

        Last Newcastle game I saw he was benched and Newcastle are looking for a striker so watch out

      2. Randell
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        he is nailed, not really the issue here though deeney is also nailed

    30. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I feel like the only person ignoring Kan & Alli...(Same as I did last season).

      1. Waxys
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        What overall rank did you finish last season?

        1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          12k Wayno - You?

        2. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Wayno?

          1. David Slade
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Silence 😉

            1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              I shall assume this means above 12k...

              1. David Slade
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Probably add at least a 0 to that

      2. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Alli is a must have. Kane close to it as well bit just about enough other options up front to maybe sway away

        1. Waxys
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Kane, Alli or Eriksen at least 1 is 100% essential if they keep the same form from last season

        2. unlethal
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I think Eriksen will work too

      3. Holmes
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Should be fine for 3-4 weeks

        1. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Indeed - Gone for 3 big strikers so no room/money for Kane

    31. Postbox12
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      2 questions:

      1) Jesus, Morata or Lacazette?

      2) Kane-Redmond- 2x4.5m defs
      OR
      Firmino-Sane-Trippier-Bertrand

      1. Qaiss
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Lacazette.

        Option 2.

      2. DD
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        1. jesus
        2. Option B

      3. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I really think jesus will explode but if Laca hits the ground running and is on pens then it could be carnage.

        Kane feels like a must have but it ruins my team trying to get him.

    32. RohanVaswani
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Austin cout

      Or

      Firm tadic/Redmond?

      1. David Slade
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        A

    33. Thoughtopsy
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      RMT (0 ITB)

      Foster
      Alonso Daniels Trippier Cedric
      KDB Alli Willian Zaha
      Lukaku Lacazette

      (Elliot Mee Caroll Quaner)

      Could downgrade Alonso to upgrade Zaha / Lacazette thoughts?

      1. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        KDB to Sane, Zaha to a Liv mid. If Chelsea play the same way as last year Alonso is the best value player in the game, he's a must have.

    34. KompanyThePeople
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Alli or Eriksen?

      1. Neo-Viper
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Depends if you have Kane...
        Go Alli if you dont

        1. KompanyThePeople
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          I've got kane

      2. Postbox12
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Alli, think Eriksen peaked last year whereas Alli has the potential to improve

        1. Waxys
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          His PSG goal tho...

      3. UnitedFan
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Eriksen

      4. ste_the_legend
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I've gone for both! And Kane as well. Bit of a risk, especially with the whole Wembley situation but if they can pick up where they left off at the end of last season then it will be worth the gamble... I hope!

    35. Henryyy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Really want to see Chicha's price.....

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        8m I reckon.