Moving Target

Moving Target – Rickie Lambert

Last Friday, Rickie Lambert put an end to his disappointing stint at Liverpool by signing a two-year deal with West Bromwich Albion. Discussing the English striker’s arrival at The Hawthorns, Tony Pulis talked up his capacity to augment the Baggies’ squad both on and off the pitch:

“He did exceptionally well at Southampton and probably feels he deserved more games at Liverpool. But it’s not just on the pitch that he will be important, but off the pitch too. He’s a great lad and in Saido we have a wonderful talent, along with other youngsters we have. We hope the way Rickie conducts himself and how he acts will be good for him [Berahino] and our other young players. You cannot have enough role models. He’s been brought up through the lower leagues. When you get the chance to work down there you want to get the chance to claim everything you can – that ambition and drive remains and I hope we see the full benefits of that and I hope the other players do too.”

The History

Born in Merseyside, Lambert joined Liverpool’s youth academy at ten years of age but was released five years later. The striker then made the switch to Blackpool at the age of 16, eventually making his senior debut against Wrexham in the third tier of English football. Having notched just three appearances in the 1999/2000 season, Lambert was again released that November.

After four months in the wilderness as a free agent, Lambert teamed up with fourth-tier outfit Macclesfield Town in March 2001. He racked up nine appearances across the rest of the 2000/2001 campaign, before tallying ten goals in 40 outings the following term.

Stockport County came calling in the summer of 2002, landing the physical frontman in a £300,000 deal. Lambert’s debut season harvested just two goals in 28 league appearances, but the next year proved more profitable, with 12 strikes in 40 outings. He then made the switch to Rochdale halfway through the 2004/05 campaign, chalking up 28 goals and 15 assists in 64 appearances during his stint at Spotland.

Lambert continued to ply his trade in the Football League with Bristol Rovers, notching 21 goals and three assists in his first two seasons. With 29 strikes in 45 outings, he ended the 2008/09 campaign as the joint-top scorer in League One, courting interest from Southampton.

Lambert hit the ground running at St Mary’s Stadium, amassing a whopping 31 goals and 13 assists during the 2009/10 season. He continued to post eye-catching attacking hauls throughout his next four years with the south coast club, accruing 106 goals and 62 assists in just 207 league outings. This paved the way for a move to boyhood club Liverpool, where he was afforded just seven starts by Brendan Rodgers, producing two goals and a couple of assists in just 943 league minutes.

Handed his first international call-up at the age of 31 in 2013, Lambert has scored three times in 11 appearances for the Three Lions, with his last outing as a sub in September last year.

The Prospects

After falling out of favour for both club and country under Rodgers, Lambert is desperate to make up for lost time at the Hawthorns. A somewhat emotional Lambert admitted he’s determined to resurrect his career and refuses to write off a return to the England fold ahead of next year’s Euro 2016 tournament:

“I’ve got a lot of feeling, to be honest. I’m not going to get into it right now. I feel as if I’ve got a point to prove to myself. That’s always the biggest drive – yourself – and it will carry on being that way. It is only two years ago that I scored against Scotland. I scored 15 goals and then 13 goals for Southampton and obviously it is over a year since I did that but I have just got to get back to that now.”

Lambert certainly looks the ideal target man to lead the line for Pulis. As we saw last season, the Baggies boss was unconvinced by both Brown Ideye and Victor Anichebe after taking up the helm in Gameweek 21 – the duo were afforded eight and six starts respectively, whereas Saido Berahino was named in the first XI in 16 of Pulis’ 18 league matches in charge. Although there’s plenty of speculation still surrounding Berahino’s future – with the likes of Spurs, Newcastle and Manchester City all linked with a bid, Lambert looks favourite to start regardless.

Pulis is likely to roll out his default 4-4-2 for the season ahead, though the Baggies boss also utilised a 4-5-1 on occasion last term, with Berahino shifted to the flank to accommodate a more robust presence as the lone striker. Lambert can certainly fill that role perfectly and has the top-flight history to barge past Anichebe and Ideye in the pecking order.

The new boy needed no time to make an impact last week. Just hours after signing, Lambert was fielded alongside Berahino up front and showed little signs of rustiness by netting twice on his debut.

Disregarding the previous campaign by virtue of his paucity of starts, Lambert’s attacking returns (13 goals and ten assists) during the 2013/14 season for Southampton highlighted his dual threat. Only Luis Suarez, Olivier Giroud and Wilfried Bony fired more shots than Lambert, while only the Uruguayan managed more assists (12) among all forwards. Moreover, Lambert ranked third in term of key passes (53), which bodes well for the Baggies considering they placed 18th for key passes (311) – ahead of just Aston Villa (306) and Sunderland (304) – in the previous campaign.

The fact that West Brom ranked second-bottom for attempts last term underlines the relative impotence of their attack and might discourage investment in Lambert as a result. Nonetheless, the former Saint’s ability from dead-ball situations – both free-kicks and penalties – should boost his points potential, with the veteran near-impeccable spot-kick record likely to see him step up ahead of Berahino.

Ultimately, though, a schedule which pits the Baggies against City, Chelsea and Southampton in the first five rounds of fixtures may initially deter many from investing. With the likes of Bournemouth, Villa, West Ham and Leicester offering similarly-priced alternatives with kinder opening matches, Lambert may stay on the Fantasy periphery for now, though if he can replicate his Southampton form when the fixtures smile kinder around Gameweek 6, a price of 6.0 in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game may well represent good value.

Further Reference

Rickie Lambert Wikpedia Page

Rickie Lambert Transfer Markt Page

Rickie Lambert YouTube Highlights

3,169 Comments Post a Comment
  1. The Train Driver
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    My risks:

    Kolarov

    Lukaku (C)

    Sinclair in a 3-5-2 instead of Sakho (benched)

    Which are yours?

    1. foreverton
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lukaku (c) is not a risk at all

      1. The Train Driver
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hopefully 😀

      2. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Uh it's Lukaku.

    2. Dogba
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Currently got both Ibe and Sinclair... in a 3-4-3.

      1. Dogba
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Other than that no risks really. Not too fond of risk in FPL.

    3. Fader
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Oxlade + I'm thinking maybe Lukaku captain. Lukaku or Sterling

    4. S.Kuqi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sinclair (Sakho) atm.

      If decided to go 3-5-2 / 3-4-3. Its still Sakho who gets benched.

      1. _Freddo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I'm also on Sinclair (Sakho)

        Big risk, 2 premium mids and 3 mids of 6, 5 and 5.

        Big gain, Aguero, Sanchez and Hazard all in (or funds for them) with Chelsea & Arsenal defence and Costa and Rooney upfront (to be Benteke & Aguero)

  2. Khark
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi guys, sorry to pester again just tinkering with my team.

    Im 95% happy, just i have 0.5 to spend and its 1 of 3 choices ....

    A) Mert - Kosc
    B) Targett - 4.5
    C) 4.5 - 5.0 Defender.

    1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Targett>4.5

    2. sleecc
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  3. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Watchlist is back. We are almost there, people!

    1. 11bigboy11
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      So many players with form on C though!

    2. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cue the complaints... 😉

    3. Pompel
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Where do one find the watchlist?

  4. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Looking at an everton mid punt for gw1 only. Best option barkley?

    1. Venom Snake
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Definitely Barkley

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Osman or Naismith.

      1. SpaceCadet
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers....Not so sure about Osman.......and not Naismith as I already have the mighty Jerome 🙂

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Oh! Sorry - I thought he was a midfielder.

    3. Baby Yoda
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think so. Apparently he play in the hole behind Lukakakakaku. At 6.5 i think he represents a good gw1 punt after that not sure.

    4. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      McAney if he is added

    5. foreverton
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, i'm going with him - definately a risk though.

      1. SpaceCadet
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        just for gw1......great differential imo

  5. The Rock
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Ivan, Ritchie, Deeney
    or
    Azpi, Mane, Jerome

    1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A by miles

    2. ScotDougie
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ivan Ritchie Deeney all day

      1. The Rock
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks guys, i've had A but really trying to fit in Mane/pelle.

        Think i will miss out on points if i don't have 1 of those + my bench is very good with A, so i could have points on the bench.

        1. The Rock
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Ruddy, Butland
          Ivan, Cedric, Huth, Mings, O'Shea
          Hazard, Walcott, Sterling, Milner, Ritchie
          Rooney, Sakho, Deeney

          0 in the bank

    3. Butthead
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Gotta be B

    4. Venom Snake
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Former

  6. Eden Hazardous
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    HMT (Help My Team) 😀

    McCarthy / Hennesey (Yeah I know but I save 1m and it is temporary)

    Azpi / Williams / Cedric / Gomez / Coates (Williams highest in CBIR last season)

    Hazard / Walcott / Ozil / Mane / Bentaleb (Arsenal fixtures

    1. Eden Hazardous
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Hazard / Walcott / Ozil / Mane / Bentaleb (Arsenal fixtures )

      Rooney / Kane / Wilson

      Sorry

      1. S.Kuqi
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I like it but prefer Sterling instead of Öz

        1. Eden Hazardous
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Sterling is 9m 🙁
          I was also hoping to do that

        2. Eden Hazardous
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Anything else?

  7. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sergio, welcome to my team.

    1. Venom Snake
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Any updates?

      1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        No, he has no injury. Just lacking match fitness which will come playing matches. At the very least I'd expect him to come on as a sub GW1 and start GW2.

        1. Tiamani Warrior
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          im leaning to this too. no one really worth having in his place for just one gameweek. costa injured. rooney meh. just save the transfer

          1. menunited
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I'm going for it too.
            Might save a point million in the process.

            1. menunited
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Pretty much always a better idea to go expensive at the start and downgrade if need's be than lose point trying to upgrade.

  8. leocarter27
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hart
    Mert ivan clyne
    Depay haz hendo caz
    Deeney rooney benteke

    Thoughts? Thanks

  9. mdm
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Rate my team:

    Courtois / 4.0
    Merte / Huth / Coates / Bassong / Saylor
    Hazard / Sterling / Walcott / Mane / Fletcher
    Rooney / Benteke / Sakho

    Thanks

    1. So Troublesome
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You're done.

  10. SEKOTN
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Can you guys give me some feedback on this effort:

    Schmeikel (Fabianski)
    Azpi, Francis, Metersacker (Bacuna, Ryan Bennet)
    Hazard, Walcott, Mane, Sterling, Stanislas
    Pelle, Benteke (Berahino)

    £0.5 in the bank. Downgrade Walcott or Sterling to get in Aguero in week three/four...

    Any feedback most welcome! Thanks

    1. menunited
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Wanyama < Stanislas

      I'm getting Kun now tbh.

  11. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Ulloa or vardy!?!

    1. Fader
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      vardy

  12. Venom Snake
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Some minor tweaks, is this defence good enough?

    Butland - Ruddy
    Azpi - Cedric - Huth - Francis - Prödl
    Hazard - Walcott - Sterling - Milner - Bentaleb
    Rooney - Benteke - Sakho

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No, not imo.

      1. Venom Snake
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Help doosra! 🙁

    2. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lovely team, I'd get Chadli over Milner though.

      1. Venom Snake
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I gotta be honest, I don't rate Chadli

        1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Very attacking, fancy him to score well again this season. Someone has to assist all of Kane's goals don't they 😉

        2. Business Dog
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Check his ppg/ppm.

    3. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes

    4. Business Dog
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes good distribution of funds there.

  13. Fabio20
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Pants
    Mert, Coates, Huth
    Haz, Depay, Mane, Mahrez
    Aguero, Kane

    Hennessey, Sakho, Jenkinson, Muniesa

    0.5itb

    1. Eden Hazardous
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good But Mahrez and Depay are risks
      Needs Che defence too

      1. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Chelsea fixtures aren't great. Most will drop their CHE defender to get Aguero, so if he is starting with him, I don't see no CHE defence as an issue.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          CHE: SWA 434 mci -115 wba 368 CPL 399 eve 275 ARS 210 new 400 SOT 379 AVL 661 whm 288 LIV 381 sto 204 NOR 544

          😕

          1. Eden Hazardous
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Thanks for backing me up

      2. Business Dog
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        It doesn't need Chelsea defence.

    2. BRONALDINHO
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      you don't *need* Che defence and the only risk I see in that team is Muniesa

      1. Eden Hazardous
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        You need a 'good' defence

    3. Fabio20
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fletcher on bench, Sakho starting* woops

  14. Jazz!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    GW1 PREDICTIONS

    1) Southampton will concede against Newcastle
    2) Villa will not score against Bournemouth
    3) Deeney will score past Everton
    4) Falcao will score past Swansea
    5) Stoke will draw to Liverpool 0-0
    6) Costa will start against the Swans

    1. Fader
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      will agree with 5

    2. Mulder
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      MY PREDICTION

      Several people will write LOL @*insert player name* captainers

      1. Venom Snake
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Lukaku. I can see it now

        1. Sebbo29
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          LOLkaku you will hear a lot i reckon

  15. jaco
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    If you had to have just one keeper who would it be?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I wouldn't. But Fabianski.

    2. Fader
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cech

    3. Eden Hazardous
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Neuer

  16. TekkersFC
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi folks which two you prefer ?

    A. Depay/Pelle

    B. Silva/Sahko

    1. JaydenLFC87
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  17. tomzalittleslug
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Tough one here lads!

    A) Costa, Hendo, Cedric (No city coverage, but would defo bring aguero in GW4)

    B) Tekkers, Sterling, Metersacker

    1. JaydenLFC87
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I've gone B (see below)

  18. JaydenLFC87
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hows this XI looking for GW1???

    Kasper
    Azpi/Mert/Gomez
    Sterling/Mane/Haz/Walcott
    Rooney/Benteke/Wilson

  19. King Huth
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Please help RMT!!

    Ruddy Rudd

    Coates Huth Kos Cedric Saylor

    Ozil Caz Haz Lens Fletcher

    Roo Lukaku Pelle

    1.5 ITB for lukaku to kane... but if he do well than maybe can catch any other coming wagon!

    anything else to change? a bit worried abt the def...

  20. Zack Attack
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    (a) Hennessy or Butland (b)
    (a) Azpi or Clyne (b)
    (a) Hendo or Milner (b)
    (a) Sterling or Mane (b)
    (a) Tekkers or Kane (b)

    ????????????????????

    1. Sebbo29
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      babaa

    2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B A A A B.

      Hendo/Milner is a total coin toss for me though

  21. OptimusBlack
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pick best Two Strikers to Start Season ...

    A- Lukaku

    B- Deeney

    C- Pellè

    D- Wilson

    C- Sakho

    1. Fader
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      as in GW1? A + meh

      as in GW1-5? C + E

    2. Sebbo29
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lukaku and Pelle to start and then from GW2 Pelle and Sakho

      1. Fader
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This with rooney

    3. Jazz!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      C and C

    4. sleecc
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      both C

  22. foreverton
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Who has Gomis here?

    1. Konig Luther
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Swansea played preseason games? don't remember to see anything related to them 🙂

      1. Sebbo29
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        mainly boring draws, that's why 😉

  23. Harry's Car Window
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What do you think:

    Ruddy, Butland
    Azpi, Williams, Francis, Bassong, Kaboul
    Silva, Fab, Ozil, Afellay, Wanyama
    Aguero, Rooney, Wilson

    1. Zack Attack
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I like. I also have Williams but not seen him included in many teams here.
      Why Francis over Mings?
      Why Silva over Sterling?

      1. Harry's Car Window
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I think Francis will do more. He's nailed right?

        Silva to sterling is one that I'm seriously considering! I've asked some city fans who they'll think will do more this season and they've all said silva...

        1. Zack Attack
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah I'd think they both are nailed.
          And fair one only time will tell

  24. There shouldn't be a template
    Ruth_NZ
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I managed to post this in an old thread, silly me. I'll try again.

    Yesterday someone was lamenting the lack of variation in RMTs, saying that "we are picking from a pool of 30 or 40 players" and that "FPL really should do something to bring more options into play".

    I think this is a very mistaken view. The reason for the "pool of 30 or 40 players" (if that's what it is) appearing in RMTs is more because of herd behaviour than anything else. 🙁 It doesn't mean there aren't other good options, far from it.

    Take GKs as an example. Mostly you will see combinations of Ruddy/Butland/Schmeichel plus (sometimes) Hennessey as a 4.0 in RMTs because it's fashionable. But there are other very good possibilities.

    Fabianski/Schmeichel is a good (perfect) rotation pair. So is Stekelenburg/Ruddy, another perfect pair. Cech/Hennessey is a good shout. All of those are 9.5 rather than 9.0 but stand a good chance of delivering the extra 0.5 in value.

    At 9.0, Myhill can be coupled happily with Schmeichel or Ruddy for very feasible rotations featuring a reliable clean sheet team. Marshall may arrive but that would bring Myhill/Marshall on to the table. In addition, other 4.5 GKs (like Krul) will come on the scene after Newcastle's fixtures ease and could be selected from the start if you don't want to use FTs on GKs. I saw someone get laughed out of court for a RMT with Krul/Elliot at 8.5 the other day but is that really such a bad idea for someone planning to save their wildcard till the Xmas period?

    There are probably at least 12 good GK picks. The fact that RMTs on here predominately feature 4 of them is a combination of fashionability and people constantly telling each other to spend less on their GKs. Less experienced (or more insecure) managers read this incessant advice and many will think "I must be doing something wrong then".

    In other areas there are also some very live picks with little favour on here. In defence, Martin and Olsson of Norwich, Lescott and Chester of WBA, Williams and Fernandez of Swansea, Tomkins and Jenkinson of West Ham, Soares of Southampton, Coates of Sunderland, Bacuna of Villa. In the midfield, Eriksen of Spurs, Sinclair of Villa, Lens of Sunderland, Sigurdsson, Ki and Ayew of Swansea, Coutinho of Liverpool, Puncheon of Palace, Willian of Chelsea, Albrighton of Leicester, Cabella and Wijnaldum of Newcastle, Atsu of Bournemouth, Redmond and Brady of Norwich and Van Ginkel of Stoke to name just a few. And upfront Gomis (Swansea), Bamford (Palace), Mitrovic (Newcastle), Vardy (Leicester), Diouf (Stoke), Gestede (Villa) and Lukaku (Everton) are all worth considering.

    I think, for example, that Eriksen stands a very decent chance of ending the season as the highest-scoring 8.5 midfielder in the game. But I have barely seen him mentioned at all. Lukaku scored 20 goals last season but fashionable opinion on here is skewed because only 10 were scored in the PL and he's a "donkey" and a "troll".

    That's 40 or so non-template selections I have named just off the top of my head, enough to double the size of the so-called pool. There may be a few of those that aren't ideal for GW1 (depending on when you plan to wildcard) because of early fixtures or injuries but all of them look capable of delivering good value for their price tags over a period of 10 or 12 games and some of them may well be "fashionable" in 3 or 4 weeks' time.

    The fault is not at FPL, they have evidently compressed pricing this season in an effort to bring more variation into play and at the same time have priced the top premium options protectively. If there is a fault it is that few people on here want to have a team much different to anyone else and having a "template" selection is seen by many as a badge of honour or security. The efforts some posters make to get this or that player accepted by others are laughable sometimes, it's as if they don't feel comfortable selecting them unless they are "approved". Strange really, if you have a good player that others have missed and that does well it helps you doesn't it?

    In summary, while most "casuals" (a term I dislike) pick players they like or think will do well, it seems that the FFS "template" comes from managers picking players that other people like or think will do well. It's a shame really.

    Innsie posted his "guidelines for RMTs" recently and very good they were. Here are my rules for how the practise actually works:

    1. Everyone must have the same team (more or less);
    2. Everyone must congratulate one another on having the same team (more or less);
    3. RMTs will be used to facilitate this process and recruit new herd members;
    4. Passing negative comment on a "template" RMT will be classed as a sign of arrogance or stupidity (or both at the same time);
    5. Players considered "essential" must not be questioned - and if they fail they must just be quietly forgotten;
    6. All opinions are equal, whether informed or not;
    7. Above all, do NOT think for yourself. That is the cardinal sin.

    1. Venom Snake
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ayew serious?

      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Not sure. Quite possibly elaborate wumming.

        1. Lanley Staurel
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          The irony! Are you wumming?!

    2. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Why do you even come on here?

      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        There is a history of posters who come on here to adopt this kind of position. I remember DBronaldo used to do it beautifully.

      2. Jairzinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Baaaaaaa

      3. Podge
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        To free you from the herd

    3. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      +42.

      I highly agree with number 4 because not on here but on the EA FIFA Forums in the Fantasy Football thread someone asked me to do a RMT but they didn't like my analysis so they called me a "negative nancy" as they thought I was being "arrogant". I do notice a template on here but at the end of the day people should pick there own team and if they follow the herd it's their own fault. I just see it as many people here agree with the same thing like the Walcott pick.

    4. mr messi
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good post. I've had Cech from day one and always get told to change him. I'm not.

      1. LewanGOALski
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        same here 😎

    5. jimboggles
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Herd mentality plays a part. But it mainly comes down to which players are going to score the most points. You mention some good options for for GKs and Defenders. However, most stack midfield and attack, and the options you mention (at this stage) are mainly punts, underwhelming or had a poor end to last season.

      1. Eden Hazardous
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Not all......Vardy finished the season on a high so did Gomis and a lot of the other players

        1. jimboggles
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          "However, most..."

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            "However, most stack midfield and attack" was what you said. Nothing to do with the players.

            So, the "underwhelming punts" I mentioned included:

            Myhill, Krul
            Martin, Williams, Soares
            Ayew, Redmond, Sinclair, Lens, Albrighton
            Gomis, Vardy, Diouf, Lukaku

            That includes 2 of the top 6 GKs, 3 of the top 6 midfielders and 4 of the top 6 strikers over the first 4 weeks. Not bad considering I was simply trying to demonstrate that there were very good options out there that were generally not much being considered within the "FFS template".

            Meanwhile your "non-punts" were Walcott (5 points), Depay (10 points) and Mane (5 points in 3 games and sold by many before his 11 points in GW4).

            Anything to say now?

      2. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Would you care to tell me which players in FPL priced under 10.0 are not "punts" then? That would be nice. 🙂

        Walcott is an almighty punt. He may be brilliant and he may be on the bench. He's just a fashionable punt. Depay is an almighty punt. He may replicate his Eredivisie form or he may have problems adjusting. But he's a fashionable punt.

        That's the point really. The court of FFS opinion sits in judgement on which players are to be classified as punts and which aren't. And they may or may not get it right.

        1. jimboggles
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          "Would you care to tell me which players in FPL priced under 10.0 are not "punts" then? That would be nice. :)"

          What a strange question. A player like Mané is not a punt due to his success last season. He's very popular and for good reason. There are many others. Some are semi or quarter-punts. I'm talking about pure punts.

          Walcott a punt? Haha. He's not going to be on the bench! Depay is somewhat of a punt, I agree - maybe a quarter to half-punt - but a pretty solid choice.

          "That's the point really. The court of FFS opinion sits in judgement on which players are to be classified as punts and which aren't. And they may or may not get it right."

          Defaulting to this is a cop-out. MY opinion is that the majority of players you mentioned are either punts, underwhelming or had a poor end to last season.

          I wonder how many of the players you mention will be in your team? One, maybe?

          1. jimboggles
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Of the midfielders and attackers, that is.

          2. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            My squad is constructed for 4 GWs only as I will wildcard in the international break. So it may not be a fair comparison because I wasn't writing about that.

            But as it stands, 5 of the players I mentioned are in it for GW1 and others are firmly pencilled in for when I wildcard.

          3. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            "Walcott a punt? Haha. He's not going to be on the bench!"

            I rest my case.

        2. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Worth noting that Walcott is the most reliable player in recent FPL history. No other midfielder can claim to average an attacking return every 90 minutes. Walcott's gamble is not whether he will return, it is will he be injured. If he is injury free and match fit he is the least puntish player in the game. Even as a sub he does damage.

          Worth having at look at this excellent community article on the issue.

          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2015/07/15/fantasy-footballs-best-all-round-attackers/

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Yes, I have read that article before.

            What makes Walcott a punt in my eyes is how much he will play. If I thought he'd start almost every game he'd be in my squad. But I don't think anyone can be certain about that.

            From February last season he was fit but Wenger hardly played him till GW38 when he scored a hat-trick and made himself undroppable for the FA Cup Final.

            1. Return Of Chamakh
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Ironically that 'how much will Walcott play'attitude is mostly gleaned off others on this site too... He was first in my team once I heard he was fit

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                Actually it's not. But you can think that if you want.

                1. Return Of Chamakh
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 9 months ago

                  Indeed.

              2. Ryan
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                That was learnt by his lack of game time for Arsenal when he returned from injury last season. 10 times he came on as a substitute.

                1. Return Of Chamakh
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 9 months ago

                  'When he returned from injury' being the important part of that sentence surely... As Jonty pointed out he is Fantasy gold when fit. And considering he started the Charity Shield in the striker's role, I'm pretty sure Wenger considers him back in the game.

                  To be fair though these conversations are just big circle-jerks in two opposite directions really. Avoid him if you want it's up to each of us and it's not all that serious 🙂

    6. Eden Hazardous
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I would like to say that the post above this one ratifies your point ! 😀

    7. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I agree with most of this. There is a tendency for people to seek approval from the crowd, the simple result of this is a limited pool of players. A lot of good options have been overlooked and I think unfairly in some cases. However we must also acknowledge why they have been overlooked, and perceived value and nailed on-ness would put a lot of your options into question.

      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I think there are lots who come on this site and play the game not following the crowd, making their own picks. Also, many of those players listed have been discussed on here and the general consensus has been that they are not great picks from the start. That's partly why I use this site, to gain a sense of the overall opinion.

        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Indeed. Its hard to know how many are like that when those who post RMT's are usually the ones with a template team and are following the crowd. There is also a significant number of us like you and me who stick to our own idea's and don't seek an RMT from the crowd.

    8. Az
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      you had me until you mentioned Willian was a good FPL pick...

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Wait and see. 🙂

      2. thes7s
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This. However, Oscar is and he's overlooked.

    9. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      The site posters will all have opening day OR's within about 50k places of each other. Will be funny if it's around 2.5million though.

    10. the cromulent one
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I really do believe that we have to guard against groupthink. All the advice and wisdom available here is useless unless there is diversity of opinion.
      But I don't think that anyone is really going out of their way to enforce a template. Whenever I rate a team, if there are aspects that I don't agree with (expensive defenders, rotating attackers, lack of flexibility, assuming an early wildcard, etc), I usually include a rationale, or a caveat that it is a personal preference. No admonishment for not adhering to a template.
      Great post all the same. (See, I'm agreeing with you, yet simultaneously pointing out ways in which I disagree!)

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        No, obviously no-one is enforcing a template. Not consciously at least. However the semi-conscious is a powerful thing. 😕

    11. Year of the Gooner
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Great post. I think people shouldn't be afraid to trust their own instincts and go against the crowd on here.

    12. sully29
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Agree in general but some of your specific examples let down your point a bit.

      For example, I don't think someone like Eriksen is unpopular because he's unfashionable. He's unpopular because he has frustrated and burned a lot of players in the past, which understandably puts people off investing in him again.

      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I would also say that Chadlii is much better value.

      2. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Great! We disagree then. I think Eriksen is a great option, he was as unlucky as Kane was lucky last season (Kane had a an unsustainable conversion rate whilst Eriksen created so many un-converted chances it was untrue and also hit the woodwork on multiple occasions). I will have him in my team from GW5 onwards (after wildcard), you will have someone else.

        If we do that on 5 or 6 key players in our squads we'll have an interesting game. 🙂 If we confine our "differentials" to marginal players that aren't using much of our budget we have less of one.

        1. Whazza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Kane lucky pff

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            That's the spirit! You back your ideas and I'll back mine. We'll have different teams, maybe very different teams. Then we'll see who does best. 🙂

            1. Pepereina Pizza
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              the way it has been, will be, and ever shall

    13. DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'd like to think a player gets in my team by logical thinking - then if you see that guy in a lot of other teams it would tend to back up why I thought they were a good pick. As opposed to me seeing him and thinking - oh yeah what about him.

      Lets take someone like Huth:

      1) Playing a lot in preseason (even notched one)
      2) Ranieri likes him
      3) Morgan out of at least first game
      4) Leicester finished strong with a few clean sheets last year.
      5) Cheap at 4.5

      He is currently at 3.6% ownership - you won't see him in many teams overall but plenty on this site who know how the game works. My thinking has been backed up by others rather than done for me.

      1. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Huh is a perfect example of this group think.

        Most people not on here don't have him (based on his low ownershipfigureyoupointedout) as Leicester were cack last season and a small bit of form when the pressure really came on towards the end of last season is being given all the weight in predicting how they will start this season while completely forgetting the previous 80% of the season.

        Leicester defenders and gk are totally irrational but fashionable ffs picks through group think. I've never considered a Leicester defender since I've started drafting a side this summer but then again I don't agree with a lot of the fashionable picks on here same as I didn't agree that Ben davies was nailed for shots last pure season and that Luis would start for Chelsea after signing for a big fee and same as I don't think gomez will be staying for Liverpool this season.

        Just because people on here say things like they are gospel doesn't mean they are and using your own critical thinking is what will help you do well in this game.

        Ps all those saying Walcott is nailed just because he started the charity shield are delusional also as Wenger said himself after the game that he will choose who starts depending on the opposition and that he only went with Walcott in cs as he thought he could use his place in behind Chelsea but that giroud physical presence was a major benefit when he came on.

    14. andyinasia
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Just got in from work and read this. Love it - possibly the BEST post I've read in this site in these last few weeks. Marvellous stuff Ruth.

      How many hundreds of posts have asserted that one is a moron for not starting with Hazard - really irritating.

      Anyway, I'd like to contribute one point. I find it interesting to see how far the FFS template diverges from the FPL template - the 'casuals' one, if you like.

      Top of the FPL list are the likes of Courtois, Hart, DDG, Clyne, Coleman, Jagielka and Kane (far less divergence in midfield and attack), who do not appear in our template and are largely overlooked by this community.

      1. invertebrate
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yep, that's a great point. Expensive goalkeepers are massively frowned upon here even though they often provide the cheapest guaranteed route into a good defence. I'm not getting one personally but I can see the logic of picking, say, Courtois.

        Coleman and Jagielka are being picked by 'casuals' because of lack of foresight of fixtures I think. I was sat with a mate last night who had both Coleman and Lukaku in his team. I asked him how he thought they were going to do with their tough opening schedule and he said he hadn't considered that and was just picking 'a good team'.

        Clyne and Kane are harder to explain and come under the category of 'crowd wisdom' I think. Clyne is seen as playing in a dodgy defence, even though it kept 14 clean sheets last season. But the 'fact' that Liverpool are bad defensively has been banded about with such assurance that people are avoiding Liverpool defenders like the plague. Kane is a victim of pricing with Chadli being seen to offer better value. However, there are far more options in midfield than there are up front and a guaranteed lone striker at a top 5 club who scored 30 last season for less than 10m? Seems hard to ignore.

        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I was anti Kane but ever since Costa and Giroud didn't start in the CS I'm increasingly conscious of the lack of good premium striker options. Kane could continue his strong progress from last season and there isn't any reason to suggest he wont.

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            FPL have got his pricing pretty right I think. Low enough to be a bit tempting, high enough to represent a big chunk of budget that you could spend elsewhere. At 8.5 or 8.0 he'd be in almost every team I think. At 10.5 he'd be in very, very few.

            1. Ryan
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Yep its a good price point. Arguably he should be more based on last season but because he's only done it once 9.5 is lower than what it could have been. They've got it spot on all right.

              1. invertebrate
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                Agreed. He's perhaps the most accurately priced player in the game this season. Just the right balance of risk/reward.

    15. Geoff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Interesting.

      We all have the same potential for this season at the beginning, and we all are involved in making the same choices. We have to pick the team that we think will do best, and are therefore looking for the best argument to support our choices.

      This necessarily results in taking sides, groups forming, because then there is more support for ones choices and more people to help argue.

    16. megatronaldinho
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      if i were to advise you to rethink your intention of playing four defenders regularly, would that be because eight seasons of this game have led me to conclude that 3 is an optimal number or because everyone else is doing it?

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Who knows? You'd have to tell me that.

        One observation I'd make, however, is that 3-4-3 is so "standard" that other structures haven't been equivalently tested.

        One possibility is that it is standard because it is best. Another is that people think it is best because it is standard.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          + 42.

        2. invertebrate
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          This. People can argue that recent winners of FPL have utilised 343 more than any other formation so it must be the best. But recent winners of FPL come from a community (this one) that takes FPL more seriously than anyone else and most people in the community use 343. So the law of probability dictates that the winning team will probably be built along similar lines. That doesn't mean there aren't other ways to play that could, at certain points, be equally or more successful.

          1. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Does anybody have a stats on strategies of people finishing in top100 and top10. I think last season with several high scoring cheap forwards, everybody who did well used 3 forwards, but generally, there could be more variation up top than right behind it. Seems to me that top10 players, at least, make more courageous choices.

            By the way, last season still strongly differed from the usual 3-4-3 strategy which implies having 2-3 very expensive forwards. You could have strolled through last season without paying more than 6.0 on a forward ever and still got a big hitting line of 3 all the time.

            I took a look at my own points last season, and I got the best average points, strangely, from 4-3-3. Still reluctant to look at that again with the plethora of midfield options.

        3. megatronaldinho
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          well. i don't have an especially reliable memory but i do remember checking the 'points scored' and PPG after a number of seasons. it tends to stick to a general trend, from what i can recall. fewer defenders at the top of both lists. this past season might have been slightly more pronounced as only 2 defenders passed 150, but that tends to be pretty much the way it goes. if a position outscores another, i'mma want a bunch of those guys and not so many of the low scorers.
          of course the argument is for points per million, tho as i have the mathematical abilities of a goldfish i'll not try and wade into deeper waters

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            You are right about PPG but that doesn't factor price in.

            If you use the measure of PPG per £1m (value) then premium defenders knock premium midfielders and strikers out of the ballpark.

            I'm not saying that premium midfielders and strikers are therefore bad value, you need captain options too and PPG is the measure for those. But for the other 12 players, value has to come into the equation.

            1. megatronaldinho
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              yeah, i'm beginning to come round to heavier defenders, albeit a minimal number. every season has a couple of premium defenders who outscore similarly priced attackers. but as i don't captain defenders, two shud suffice. the attackers' numbers will be augmented by captaincy and that's why i want them many and expensive 🙂

    17. Jaffalicious! #SomosCubanos
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yet when people suggest players that may have been overlooked or do not form part of the 'template team' you berate them for it. Kane is a good example that springs to mind.

      Quite hypocritical if you ask me.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I didn't berate you or anyone else for suggesting Kane. My comments were simply because you made no argument beyond "he had a great season last time" in support of your view that it was perilous to leave him out.

        My self-imposed banning order is still in place by the way. But I reserve the option to reply if you address comments directly at me. 🙂

    18. Geoff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      1. There will always be a template.
      2. If you think the template doesn't work, don't try to convince people of your opinion too much. If you are right they will fail and you will succeed. There is no reason to be angry.

    19. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No doubt teams get more similar as pre season progresses. Its a natural convergence as knowledge is pooled and shared. Having said that in my 3 years playing i have never seen anyone with a team identical to mine across any of the hundreds of posted teams in any of the 114 game weeks and i am never far from 'template'.

      The issue is not the template or the fpl rules or pricing, its the complaining about it. People on these boards will still manage to finish several hundred points apart by the end of the season, plenty of time and options too gain ground without needing to take unnecessary punts (thats not a critique on your specific selections, i agree with some of them)

    20. invertebrate
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ruth, you're fast becoming my favourite poster on this site. It's not so much that I agree with everything you write (although I do agree with most of it), it's more your willingness to challenge the predominant ideas with well-thought-out arguments.

      In regards to RMTs, I've never posted one because I know exactly what I'd get told about my team. "Too much spent in defence", "Too much money on the bench", "Selection headache", "You have to have Hazard", "Plan for Aguero?". I'd rather play my own game and ask advice on specific topics, such as a player's form, chip strategy, formations other than 343 etc. The reason there's a template is that everyone who posts an RMT is ultimately asking for their team to be selected by the same committee that has already picked everyone else's. The problem, as you say, is that much of this committee floats uninformed opinion which is then taken up by the rest of the committee as gospel. It's very easy to rely on the wisdom of crowds but in my experience the majority is almost always wrong. The committee isn't wrong about every individual morsel of advice, of course, but it is most definitely wrong in its subliminal assertion that there is a correct way to play FPL.

      1. andyinasia
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        well said!!!

      2. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        "... its subliminal assertion that there is a correct way to play FPL."

        Love it. 😀

        1. Jernau M Gurgeh
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I only came across this article just now and fully endorse you views Ruth_NZ, as they are mostly mine as well 🙂
          Your article is brilliant, thanks for that.

      3. Captain Peacock
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hold on there. RMTs serve other purposes too. I Post RMTs to correct any flaws in my team that aren't obvious to me, usually as the result of some injury or manager statement (eg Speroni, Darmian). I openly state that I'm going to ignore advice that is simply based on personal preference. For example, today I got a few sneers for stating my preference for a Palace defender to start with, but is that going to alter my team? No. I'd hardly call this asking the masses to select my team. There are many like me.

        1. invertebrate
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I think that's fine in theory if you explain that's your intention behind posting an RMT. I completely get that we can't read every manager's comment or know about every niggle and the community is great at picking these things up. However, the RMT you posted a few days back seemed more geared towards getting committee input into your selection. You posted a team, explained the reasoning behind some of your selections (unnecessary if you're just looking for injury or possible rotation news), and asked the community for their thoughts. This to me is as 'template' an RMT post as you can get.

          1. Captain Peacock
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I do not have to justify myself to you, but anyway, my post was more concerned with my postings from last season. My logic can also be flawed and sometimes I feel it should be scrutinised by others as well in case I'm deluded.That doesn't mean i want the crowd making my decisions for me

      4. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        There's now, aside from the usual committee, the very different "Doosra Committee". Doosra's picks are very different to the regular template, but as people are now asking for his RMT's, we may end up having two templates, the usual one and the Doosra one. I can't see them becoming one.

    21. Donhush
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good post.
      There is the natural tendency to pick players who have had good preseason hence the somewhat "template" teams. I personally have been burnt by players like Lukaku and Eriksen for not delivery when you expect them to and would not be going near them.

    22. abreu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Best thing written in a while

      Eriksen in particular looks ignored. He basically runs his own kitchen full time while over at Arsenal they work in 4 shifts. Food for thought.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yes, that's part of the big attraction. Why play the Arsenal midfield lottery when you could have the main man at a top 5 team instead?

        You don't need Arsenal's FPL points. You just need FPL points. 🙂

        1. Nabs Kebabs
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          why get Erik when you can have Chadli?

          Though am not buying the 8.5 hype myself and agree Erik could easily the best scorer. I would rather just get Mane and have no 8.5 to start the season

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Well, Eriksen v Chadli is an interesting one. My preference for Eriksen is that Pocchettino's team is built around him. I cannot conceive of him being dropped or rested. I also think he'll score 40-50 more FPL points than Chadli over the season and that's enough to justify the extra £1.5m.

            But I'm not saying there is a right answer to that question. It's only my opinion.

        2. Camp No No
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          My problem with him is that "top 5" team. Spurs may have ended up finishing fifth, but a top 5 team they are not. Arsenal will finish much higher and score much more goals. So, even if the points are divided wider, there are more points to share.

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Yes. As with all player/point projections it's a judgement call. If the OP was championing anything it was for people to make their own judgements and not rely on those of others.

    23. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Agree 100%.

      The herd mentality annoys the hell out of me.

    24. Kurt Zouma
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Plot twist: Ruth has a template team.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yes, that's the cunning plan. Try to put as many as possible off it. 🙂

        To be honest I have to strike a balance between my natural tendency not to want to do the done thing and common sense. In the end I have to try to have the best team I can, whether players in it are "template" or not. If I refused to have Kane last season just because everyone else did I'd have been foolish. But I did start talking about getting off that train before most others (and got a lot of flak for it too).

    25. FozzieBear
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Great post. Totally agree with the sentiment of it.

      What I've learnt over the past few seasons since I started following this site is that it can make you question your decision-making. There's been a number of times that I've done exactly that and got burned. Captain pick polls are an example.

      There's obviously some players that make sense for us to pick, but I also think it's good to exercise some independent thought compared to what's posted on FFS sometimes.

      I haven't RMT'ed my team because I'm happy with it, even though I am uncertain about 1 or 2 players. However I think I would get a number of comments about my forwards because it's nothing like a lot of what I've seen posted. But to me that's the attraction of the game.

    26. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Great read Ruth. Hard to disagree with what you say. Im as guilty as the next person. FFS is great for insight and views but you do get sucked into the herd psychology occasioanlly and the need to 'fit'. Independent thought coupled with the ability to filter throught the herds noise is whats needed.

    27. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      RuthNZ... "You can't fight City Hall."

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Is that from the film (can't remember the name) about the Tammany Hall political machine in New York?

        But yes, you are right of course. Even if you spit at it you'd better be sure you aren't facing into the wind. 🙂

    28. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I try so hard to ignore your rambling nonsense on here
      but like driving an open top car through the countryside in summer, you just can't get away from the smell of b*llsh*t

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Try a nose clip. 🙂

    29. The Hindu Monkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Post of the year. Death to template teams.

    30. Ziro Becomes One
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I posted a rough draft of this and you admonished me about wanting to shut the website down. And now you do just that in better words. 😉

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Did you? I thought it was just a moan about there being so many RMTs?

        I wasn't admonishing you anyway. Just observing that the site needs people using it. I also said that the incessant RMTs bore me to tears as far as I recall.

    31. Badluck Jonathan
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Well said. I agree in general and I don't see the point in RMTs. I just skip past them without reading.

      But it's not all that bad! I think there is a fair amount of good discussion about the relative merits of different players on here. And good arguments about overlooked players often get the best responses. Look how well received this post has been! Your unfashionable views are all the rage it would seem

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I am not saying it's all bad, or that any of it is bad. Just championing a bit of free thought. 🙂

    32. tm245
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Is there not a paradox in admonishing a group for thinking as a group? Or at least a little irony in a flurry of up votes and praise so that the group follows your suggestion instead?

      1. Leviryk
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Haha let's all now follow the group by not following the group? Nice XD

    33. Woeisme
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I logged on and checked the hot topics. When I saw there was a new topic about templates and that it was posted by Ruth NZ, I immediately knew 2 things.
      1. It would be an interesting read. Regardless of whether I agreed with it or not.
      2. Within the first 10 replies, there would be at least one post suggesting Ruth was a muppet or similar degradation...

      I wasn't disappointed.

      Good post Ruth

    34. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on this site. Congratulations.
      Very well-written and a compelling read - I read every word from beginning to end.
      I also thoroughly support the opinions you have put forward, and slightly uncomfortably, recognize much of the herd behaviour you describe in myself.
      Being a member of the herd may be fine to finish in the top 10,000, but I suspect the FPL winner must always be a step ahead of the herd.

    35. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I notice that every single reply to this has a grav.

      Many RMTs are from posters who do not have gravs.

      You may be preaching to the converted!

      1. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        *all but one of the replies have gravs.

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          *all but two actually.

    36. Leviryk
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      But there are the 11 best players to have in your team to score the most points for 100m and we are all trying to find them... is that not an inevitable template whether you use the site or not?

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        It's not as if there was some common knowledge here who those 11 are. There's a mass opinion and people are looking for security by trying to have as many as possible choosing the same players with them. Which would not be a great strategy if they actually knew that they were making good choices. If I knew exactly who the best 11 are, I certainly would not tell it here to every RMT. Then again, I do not tend to be very vocal about my team, so... 😉

        1. Leviryk
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Actually, I think you've suggested the difference between people who watch and have opinions about football and those who don't- thanks! If you do you can see who the better options are and similar- obviously not the exact 11 but similar- teams will be built. If you don't however, or don't even look at the digits (not stats even) for pre-season .etc. then what do you have to go on other than what people here will tell you about these players?

          1. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I think you think wrong. I do not make that difference here. A lot of people play FPL and watch football and still have little idea who the really best 15 (correcting the number as this is played with 15 players) are. I don't claim to _know_ it either, although I have some idea; it is a lot of guessing game, for sure, but people still tend to think that the popular guess is the best bet, which is usually the players who have scored recently. And my very sympathetic advice to any casuals coming here is not to follow that path.

            1. Leviryk
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Good point about chasing previous points- and it was what you said just prompted my thoughts about watching football- security of what others are doing, I think, affects those with an opinion on players based on watching them less- I love Ramsey based on how he plays and so will pick him, but I agree it's difficult the way everyone else looks at Cazorla and Ozil in the same way and it affects anyone, as much as we try!

    37. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For once I agree with you. Then again, I think you're pretty decent in FPL.

      You say, concerning the cheap GK advice, that "Less experienced (or more insecure) managers read this incessant advice and many will think "I must be doing something wrong then"."

      Personally, I'm in the cheap GK boat, but generally, on any issue, if any new managers are around, I just want to give them this one advice:

      take into account that most people who play FPL, most people on this site included, are really bad at it. Just saying, if most everybody tells you to do something, and you do it, you may well have a lot of the company to mourn with but there's a reason why you end up in that company.

    38. Pasqualinho
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have penned a few anti-template posts myself, but none that go into this depth of detail about how to avoid it. Well done Ruth.

    39. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      super post.

      1 point where i would disagree though is that fpl shouldn't be doing anything about the template. a big part of your point is that there should be more players being talked about for the start of the season, which is totally true. but we all know that the pool of potential players is going to shrink as the season progresses. a new defensive mid position would go some way to addressing this, and would allow consideration of a lot of good additional players who are currently essentially unelectable.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Actually I think FPL have done something about it by compressing the pricing (especially for defenders).

        But on the DM/CM thing I do agree. The problem is I can't think of a practical way it could be done without rendering the game MUCH more complex and putting off some managers. But it would be nice to see Matic, Coquelin, Carrick, Schneiderlin and others of that ilk being as valuable/essential in the FPL game as they are in real life.

        1. andyinasia
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I think that can be done via the baps, and has been partially addressed this season already. Extra baps for blocks and interceptions might hopefully translate into a handful more points for DMs. Let's see.

        2. Monsieur Cantona
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Hi Ruth was wondering how your post generated so much attention. can I ask how you have fared over the last few seasons ? I tend to agree with you but surely a site of this nature herd mentality is a natural consequence . I tend to use it to see which zig when the majority zags. I,e captain poll was a usually wrong !

    40. TTIrwin
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think rmt is mainly for lazy and insecure individuals, All the articles and stats are there to be found for you to form your own opinion. Templates don't make much sense what is the point in playing if you are going to have the same team as most? it's supposed to be a competition why would you want to sway someone to pick players you think will do well and lessen your chances at finishing higher?

    41. Eboue
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Haha template template for a reason. You arrogant.

        1. Eboue
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Eboue rather have bad grammar than black heart.

    42. Toast
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I completely agree with this and last year I actively stopped reading the comments and stuck to my own selections and did a lot better for it.

    43. Cloudeu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Great read Ruth

    44. Asmodeusz
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      RMT pls
      Courtois (McCarthy)
      Kolarov(vc) Monreal Cedric (Williams Gomez)
      Walcott(c) Sterling Lens Ibe (Chadli)
      Rooney Kane Benteke

    45. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have to agree with most of this, certainly the main theme. A good post and another +1.

    46. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      One of the best posts I've ever read on this site. Fantastic!

    47. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Non-RMT posts are far more likely to have gravs than are RMT posts.

      This suggests to me that many RMTs are from posters who are fairly new to FFS and do not yet have the confidence in their own choices that comes with experience. They also have an unrealistic expectation of the quality of advice that they will receive in response.

      Many of those who do respond to RMTs are also gravless, and may do so because they have been asked not to post their own RMTs without also commenting on others. Their replies are likely to be strongly influenced by groupthink and the received wisdom of the crowd.

  25. JimmyB
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How does this team look

    Cech / 4.0
    Ivan Cedric Chester / Ward Turner
    Hazard Milner Ozil fabregas Puncheon
    Lukaku Benteke / Deeney

  26. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Morning all.
    As Ritchie has no form should I opt for Adam?

    1. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Adam? I'd rather just stick with Ritchie.

      How's the team coming along?

  27. jimboggles
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hey You!

    Please rate my team...

    Schmeichel (Swarzer)
    Clyne Mertesacker Azpillicueta (Baker + Francis)
    Mané Hazard Walcott Depay (Wanyama)
    Rooney Benteke C.Wilson

    (City players coming in GW4)

    What changes would you make?

    1. kae0r
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      dats one nice team mate

  28. The Rock
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Best mid and striker options for 5m?

    1. mr messi
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think Ighalo from Watford is a good pick at 5m and possibly Ibe for a mid

  29. nunuthehoover
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    First draft of team, still think it needs a bit of tinkering. Any opinions?

    Ruddy - Rudd

    Cedric - Huth - Azpi - Kosc - Richards

    Ozil - Haz - Depay - Mahrez - Ritchie

    Sakho - Rooney - Pelle

    0.5 itb

    1. sleecc
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You'll have weekly benching headache with your front 8.

    2. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      One of your front 8 will fail through selection/injury/form etc so I quite like it.
      Lets face it: Pelle blows hot and cold, Mahrez and Ritchie points gambles, Sakho gametime if another striker arrives, Rooney can play anywhere but is safe until another striker arrives Depay Mata arguments.
      The bottom line for me is it is a consensus you do't leave money on the bench. My son believes a Lens/Wijnaldum rotation has more value than Fab/4.5. I can argue history but I can see his point.
      GO FOR IT!

  30. stefankiknun
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT please.

    Cech - Hennessey

    Ivan - Cedric - Huth - O'Shea - Baker

    Mahrez - Sterling - Walcott - Hazard - Sinclair

    Deepay - Benteke - Rooney

    1 mil in bank.

    Plan to get Aguero in: Sell Rooney and downgrade one midfielder depending on performance.

    1. KanyeWest
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm liking deepay as a striker