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Son absent as Royal is handed Spurs debut

Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur, the first of eight Premier League fixtures on a busy Saturday, gets Gameweek 4 underway at Selhurst Park.

Kick-off is at 12:30 BST.

The headline team news is the absence of Son Heung-min, who Nuno Espirito Santo had intimated would miss this fixture with a calf problem picked up over the international break.

Santo makes three changes to the side that began the win over Watford in the Lilywhites’ last Premier League outing.

Steven Bergwijn is, like Son, injured, while Davinson Sanchez misses out as he needs to follow Covid-19 quarantine protocols having being involved with Colombia over the last week.

Emerson Royal comes in for his debut at right-back, while Harry Winks and Lucas Moura also start.

Patrick Vieira names the same starting XI from Crystal Palace’s 2-2 draw at West Ham United in Gameweek 3.

Summer signings Odsonne Edouard, Will Hughes and Michael Olise take their place on the bench.


GAMEWEEK 4 LINE-UPS

Crystal Palace XI: Guaita, Ward, Guehi, Andersen, Mitchell, Kouyate, McArthur, Gallagher, Zaha, Ayew, Benteke

Subs: Butland, Milivojevic, Tomkins, Olise, Hughes, Clyne, Edouard, Kelly, Riedewald

Tottenham XI: Lloris, Tanganga, Royal, Dier, Reguilon, Winks, Skipp, Hojbjerg, Alli, Kane, Moura

Subs: Gollini, Doherty, Gil, Rodon, Ndombele, Davies, Scarlett, Omole, Markanday

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  1. KAPTAIN KANE
    • 4 Years
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Might need a WC to sort my WCed team out

    1. Khark
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      +1

      1. KAPTAIN KANE
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        It legit might be down to GOALONSO to save my season later

    2. No Professionals
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      That’s the spirit! 1 player has played…

      1. KAPTAIN KANE
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        It’s more the fact of looking at my overall team and not liking it and spotting holes everywhere

        1. Hot Toddy
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          😆

        2. No Professionals
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          How have those holes become apparent since the deadline passed?

          1. KAPTAIN KANE
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Made the decision to play it last minute, but wasn’t fully committed but felt I had to do something

        3. Tomerick
          • 7 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          It is difficult when you have so little time between game weeks to plan it.

          1. KAPTAIN KANE
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            I just wanted to give it as little thought as possible over the break. I needed it

            1. Tinkermania
              • 2 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Your team is fine. Just remember Spurs are not all that without TALISMAN Son Heung M.

              1. KAPTAIN KANE
                • 4 Years
                1 month, 12 days ago

                If Lukaku/Ronaldo do well today I may have to take him out

  2. F4L
    • 6 Years
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Sterling vs Leipzig, Torres vs Southampton next week. Please Pep

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Honestly probably most likely - but you could see Torres getting subbed early today.

      Foden & Sterling could both come on in that spot. Even KDB.

      1. F4L
        • 6 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        yeah, can't see Torres being given 90. But the start today is big, he really is Pep's #1 striker now. As long as he keeps scoring, there's no reason Pep will revert back to a false 9 (unless to give Torres a rest).

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Agree. Looking to bring him in GW8, after CHE/LIV.

    2. HIAFL (Howe to Train your D…
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Hopefully

  3. DandyDon
    • 3 Years
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Edouard managing to do in 10 minutes what Benteke hasn't managed to do for about 4 seasons now! why did it take them so long to sign a better forward. lol

    1. Nanoelektronicar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Probably waiting for Hodgson to retire to give funds to new manager. Not saying that Hodgson would definitely bring bad player, it's just makes no sense to give him funds to bring players when he's about to leave.

    2. Khark
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Remember the Aston Villa Benteke? He was a class FPL asset back in the day

  4. Cok3y5murf
    • 5 Years
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Imagine wildcarding and picking Ronaldo over Edouard + 6m

  5. Bertonian
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Spurs had been lucky to not concede in the first 3 games so I have no sympathy with anyone who bought the likes of Dier Reg etc. Look at the stats next time or watch the highlights!

    1. KAPTAIN KANE
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      The whole game is luck based so point is redundant either way

      1. Bertonian
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Yes there is but there is some skill & common sense involved

        1. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          I kept Kane and Son in GW2 last season by mistake and they got me 80 odd points

          1. KAPTAIN KANE
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            *60 odd even

          2. TomSaints
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            That gameweek should have a trigger warning.

            I wildcarded and came out 53 points worse off

            1. KAPTAIN KANE
              • 4 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              I literally played my WC last minute and ran out of my time and as a result still had Kane (C) and Son.

              It was great to see but felt unjust and bizarrely annoyed at the same time

        2. Twisted Saltergater
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          We’re all making reasonable choices. It’s all luck after that.

        3. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          The skill and common sense is picking the highest owner regular haulers.
          The cheaper mid differentials who perform/fail is where the luck lies

          1. KAPTAIN KANE
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            *mid priced

      2. Atletico Junior
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        All comes down to the amount of luck needed… Not the same amount of luck needed for Man United to beat Newcastle than viceversa. Stats helps figuring that out

        1. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Watch it be 0-0 now or summat lol

      3. No Professionals
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        The hole game is not luck based, if it was the results would be more random

        1. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Spurs 1-0 City
          Wolves 0-1 Spurs
          Spurs 1-0 Watford

          Palace 3-0 Spurs

          1. Bertonian
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Like I said Spurs we’re lucky to get clean sheet in those games. Today they were found out

            1. KAPTAIN KANE
              • 4 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Lucky 3 times in a row, 1 game reality happens.
              Shows how much luck is therefore involved

        2. DARE TO BISCAN
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Erm, 'The hole game'

    2. We Go Again
      • 7 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      GW12 seems a good time to bring a Spurs defender in

  6. DavidBadWillie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Leicester win the next shock

    1. F4L
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      nah no chance. Easy City 0-2 or 1-3.

    2. HMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Barnes to score of course

      1. TomSaints
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Typical but inevitable

    3. GROBARI
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 12 days ago

      CP winning isnt a chock

    4. Joey Tribbiani
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 12 days ago

      thats not a shock

    5. AC/DC AFC
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Could be a draw?

  7. HMC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    1 month, 12 days ago

    Ronaldo EO 115%
    Bruno EO 32%

    Gonna end in tears

    1. Davros
      • 12 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Wow

    2. Davros
      • 12 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      How is that- he’s only owned by 27%??

      1. Vertigo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Top 10%

        1. Vertigo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          10k rather

          1. Davros
            • 12 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Got it. Cmon Bruno punish those sellers!

      2. HMC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        livefpl says 65% owned so must be within the Top10k

    3. KAPTAIN KANE
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Bruno (C) could be MASSIVE wow

    4. Bubz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Cmon Brunoooo

    5. HIAFL (Howe to Train your D…
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Lukaku eo is just 12 to 16%

    6. F4L
      • 6 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      crazy to see how low Lukaku's EO is.

      1. Gandalf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Tough matches coming up, slight injury concern, not braced yet and the ronaldo distraction so not too surprised by the low figures

    7. We Go Again
      • 7 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Bruno owner here, I am very nervous

    8. The Kopite
        1 month, 12 days ago

        What is EO?

        1. Vertigo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          % ownership plus those amongst them who captained.

        2. Khark
          • 6 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Effective Ownership. Some people make all their fantasy judgements based on EO. I tend to try not think about it too much, clouds judgement imo.

          1. Vertigo
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            All?

    9. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 11 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Running down the wing, hear United sing…

      1. Pep Roulette
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Viva Ronaldo!

    10. Davros
      • 12 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Lol@ North London football

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        London is blue.

    11. Carlton P
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      How is Cantwell, Gilmore and Rashica not playing?? Auba is getting a brace today…maybe even an Arsenal cleanie

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Gilmour has not been effective in his position, essentially. Doesn't mean he won't be back in again but if you browse the Norwich forums it'll give insight as to why they thought this could happen.

        1. Carlton P
          • 5 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Ahhh really. I will be honest I have no idea how Norwich have been playing this season. But to bench all three though…that’s a big statement sent by the manager

      2. Nanoelektronicar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Not on the mighty Kabak's watch.

    12. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      wonder how clark lascelles and hayden are feeling right now

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Spared from habilitation and happy about it

        1. Nanoelektronicar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          humiliation

    13. HashAttack
      • 4 Years
      1 month, 12 days ago

      Switched from a -16 to WC at 10:53 this morning so that I could two more transfers - Kane and Tanga out for Ronnie and Tierney 🙂

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Oh wow, yeah that saved your a heck of points.

        1. HashAttack
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Just wish I had swapped out Gilmour too ...

      2. Gunneryank
          1 month, 12 days ago

          This kind of story is heartwarming.

        • Khark
          • 6 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Why would you ever be considering a -16? Shoulda wildcarded ages ago if thats the case.

      3. FOO FIGHTER
        • 2 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Spurs been found out.

        Playing defensive football going to get you into trouble.

        1. Hutchiniho
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          playing their 5th and 6th choice CBs and a man sent off got them into trouble.

        2. Cok3y5murf
          • 5 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Weren't you the one telling everyone to pick Spurs defenders and Lloris?

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 2 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Lloris ues.

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              • 2 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              *yes*

        3. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Hopefully goals coming up for Kane from more attacking football then

        4. F4L
          • 6 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          missing so many first teamers.

      4. Hutchiniho
        • 3 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        A Torres and Bruno

        or

        B Ronaldo and Cancelo?

        1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          b

        2. FOO FIGHTER
          • 2 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Torrs & Ronaldo.

          1. Hutchiniho
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Torres is a FWD in Tel.
            Can't get them both with Antonio and Lukaku already 2/3

        3. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          I have A

      5. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        It's early days but Palace have honestly done so well this window.

        So many changes is always risky but they must be delighted with these performances.

        1. Eezer Goode, Eberechi Goode
          • 9 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Yeah - most of us knew this would be a risky season, clearing out so many older players, loads of young ones a new manager. But needed to happen and on our recent showings going well! 🙂

          1. Hazz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            You guys are unofficially my second team, so happy for you. Palace beer festival is a good day out!

            1. Eezer Goode, Eberechi Goode
              • 9 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Cheers - haha yeah the Palace beer festival always a good one, hopefully back next year 🙂

        2. F4L
          • 6 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          just imagine if Eze was fit. Zaha Edouard Eze with Gallagher bombing forward from midfield.

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            I thought they boxed very clever in the market, and this performance shows that. They'll be perfectly safe this season.

      6. Lingard’s Shin Guards
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        feeling happy for viera

        hopefully palace have a decent year

      7. FOO FIGHTER
        • 2 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Will Ronaldo sweep clean?

        1. mcpoop
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          He will sweep the leg.

      8. Pep Roulette
        • 4 Years
        1 month, 12 days ago

        Why oh why did I take Odegaard over Gallagher?

        1. TheBiffas
            1 month, 12 days ago

            hindsight is the devil. don't beat yourself up

            1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              exactly. obviously thought odegaard would get more pts - he still could!

          • Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Hang on, Ode might still see you good.

        2. thepancakeman123
          • 3 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Going Benrahma > Raphinha next week. Is it worth taking a -4 to go Smith-Rowe > Gallagher to avoid the Gallagher price increase? An increase of 0.1 and I cannot afford him

          1. Twisted Saltergater
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            It’s the hits which kill your rank. Pick good players and be patient.

            Arsenal have an excellent fixture run.

          2. Khark
            • 6 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Why do you need Gallagher? Look at his fixtures and don't chase the last 2 weeks points.

          3. Lanley Staurel
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Just jumping around losing points and rank. Patience….!

        3. Hiiler
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Just curious don't own Tanganga, but saw the game he was sent of before any goals were scored why did he get -1 for goals conseded? Isn't the rule you have to be on pitch while goals are scored/conceded to get -+points?

          1. LSK
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Not if you’re sent off

            1. Hiiler
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Ok tnx for the answer.

          2. The Train Driver
            • 6 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            That rule only applied when subbed off, not when sent off.

            1. Hiiler
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Thnx for clearing that up.

          3. AleksaMaster
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Only for subbed players, not if he got red card.

            1. Hiiler
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Ok thnx

          4. Twisted Saltergater
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            He continues to be penalised as a result of the RC. Otherwise, he could’ve been sent off after 60 mins and bank the CS and bonus.

            1. AC/DC AFC
              • 6 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Effectively the sending off contributes to the result...

            2. Hiiler
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Ouh so you mean if a player get sent off(red card ) , he also looses a CS if he had it before the red card?

              1. Twisted Saltergater
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                1 month, 12 days ago

                If the team go on to concede, yes.

              2. KAPTAIN KANE
                • 4 Years
                1 month, 12 days ago

                Not sure actually! He was 2 mins short but I’d be interested to know if a player gets sent off after 60+ mins and the team doesn’t concede whether they get clean sheet points or not

                1. Tinkermania
                  • 2 Years
                  1 month, 12 days ago

                  He keeps a the clean sheet for sure. That happens a lot.

                2. Fitzy.
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  1 month, 12 days ago

                  Of course they do

                3. Twisted Saltergater
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  1 month, 12 days ago

                  If the team go on to concede then He definitely doesn’t keep the CS!

              3. Major League Shocker
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                1 month, 12 days ago

                He can keep the CS if he played at least 60 minutes and his team keep the CS until FT.

              4. dadoune30
                • 12 Years
                1 month, 12 days ago

                I think Richard Dunne got -6 pts some years back after being sent off before 60 mins and saw his team Man City beaten by Middlesborough 8-0 i remember

        4. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          1 month, 12 days ago

          Don't suppose we'll see Tanganga for a while. Pity as he made a decent start. Romero and Sanchez will compete with Dier for the 2 CB spots and Royal will remain wingback. Bad timing Tanganga, in both senses.

          1. EL tridente
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Romero clearly number 1. One of the best CBs in Serie A last season

          2. TheBiffas
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Surely romero will become nailed on and sanchez and dier will battle for the second spot?

            • Ze_Austin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Yeah. Gotta sell him for Semedo as my GW5 transfer now

          3. gooberman
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Man City's bench is ridiculous!

            1. Khark
              • 6 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              was just thinking this

          4. InterUranus
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Is there a way of viewing the template team? My team was 89% template rated last week but it's now dropped to 67%. Would be interesting to see where the differentials are.

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              By definition, you have the differentials.

            2. Carefree Crew
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              livefpl site has ownership stats. Also if you've entered your team it displays players that can hurt your rank. Ownership & EO %s.
              By looking at that it might give you an idea.
              Filter on transfers page of FPL site by "teams selected by %".
              Change from ("total points" tab)

          5. HMC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            the warm up scenes at OT are nuts. as a non owner i'm hoping Ronaldo only scores the one then gets carded for removing his shirt 🙂

          6. Top Lad Dakes.
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Right, if Harvey effing BArnes outscores Torres today……

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Torres subbed on 59 mins. 1 point.

              I have him 🙂

            2. Old Man
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              I'm with you. I decided to take Torres out a fortnight ago instead of the aforementioned Barnes. That went well. I brought Torres back in again (Noddy mistake, I know) so watch the Barnes machine crank into hyper mode.

          7. Magic Zico
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            This Gallagher guy can't be ignored ... 😛

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              vs Liverpool?

          8. DandyDon
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            sofa time approaching, no Utd or City attack!
            3 pool, 2 everton and Lukaku to come after 3pm. No pressure West Ham attack...

            1. HMC
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              no united wow, thats BRAVE

          9. gooberman
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Utd's warm up tops look attrocious! Even Ronaldo doesnt look good in it!

            1. Zim0
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              It's to distract the other team

          10. THE SHEEP HUNTER
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 12 days ago

            Arsenal dominant.

            1. Harry the Hack
              • 12 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              Are they actually? Not watching so I don't know, but given who posted, not sure whether this is sarcastic

            2. Sun Jihai
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              1 month, 12 days ago

              5 shots already