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Scoutcast Episode 342 – End of season review

The Scoutcast trio of Joe, Andy and Az are back for one more time this season to assess the highs, the lows and lessons they should probably learn.

This episode is dominated by the community’s questions on a raft of topics from deadlines to reclassifications.

With a chaotic final Gameweek deadline for many, the Scoutcasters start off with tackling the difficulties around timing a deadline right in a global game, where not everyone is awake to make last minute moves. It is an issue which is further complicated in the 24-hour worldwide social media news culture that has emerged in recent years.

The proliferation of Fantasy Premier League manager numbers is also pondered. Is a high finish trickier than ever with so many engaged players enjoying the game?

Lessons learned features prominently. What pivotal moments in the season made them think differently about how they play the game? For Joe the importance of Double Gameweeks being married up with chips is a particular issue that will influence him next season.

Players to target next season also takes up a large part of this mammoth hour and a half episode. This discussion takes in reclassification of players like Manchester United’s Anthony Martial, those that are certain of a price hike as well as the potential low priced gems to target.

The five-substitute rule and the potential for an early Blank Gameweek, and possibly a Double too, are other additions to their chat.

They also assess how their traditionally goal strewn Gameweek 38 went and finish the show with some powerful words from Shirtless about family and FPL.

The Scoutcast will return along with a host of other video and podcast content for the next campaign. In 2020/21 Joe will be joined by Az as a regular co-host, with a different guest each week to help them make sense of each Gameweek’s inevitable twists and turns.

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  1. LangerznMash
    • 4 Years
    13 days, 11 hours ago

    Best value starting players ranked in order of best points per million (starting price) with some notable others for comparison.

    Goalkeepers: Pope (4.5) = 37.8ppm. Henderson (4.5) = 35.6ppm. Schemeichel (5.0) = 31.2ppm.
    Defenders: Lund (4.0) = 36.0ppm. Baldock (4.5) = 31.6ppm. TAA (7.0) = 30.0ppm. Tarkowski (5.0) = 28.6ppm.
    Defenders: Dunk (4.5) = 28.4ppm. Doherty (6.0) = 27.8ppm. VVD (6.5) = 26.2ppm. Roberston (7.0) = 25.9ppm.
    Midfielders*: Martial (7.5) = 26.7ppm. KDB (9.5) = 26.4ppm. Traore (5.0) = 26.0ppm. Grealish (6.0) = 24.8ppm.
    Midfielders: Cantwell (4.5) = 24.7ppm. Willian (7.0) = 24.0ppm. Mahrez (8.5) = 20.6ppm. Mane (11.5) = 19.2ppm.
    Midfielders: Salah (12.5) = 18.6ppm. Son (9.5) = 17.8ppm. Sterling (12.0) = 17.0ppm. Siggy (8.0) = 11.9ppm. Pepe (9.5) = 11.2ppm.
    Forwards: Ings (6.0) = 33.0ppm. Ayew (5.0) = 26.4ppm. Jimenez (7.5) 25.9ppm. Vardy (9.0) = 23.3ppm.
    Forwards: Greenwood (4.5) = 22.9ppm. Rashford (8.5) = 20.8ppm. Auba (11.0) = 18.6ppm. Firmino (9.5) = 16.3ppm.

    Best value way to spend £100.0m.

    Pope, (Henderson)
    TAA, VVD, Doherty, (Baldock, Lund)
    Mane, KDB, Martial, Willian, (Traore)
    Vardy, Jimenez, Ings

    This team as a set and forget with KDB captain would score 2410 points with another 576 points sitting on the bench (I have not factored in auto-subs, vice captain or power chips).

    *this would be completely different if Bruno Fernandes was here from the start. He scored 117 points in 14 games, which converts to a whopping 318 points over a full season. At a starting price of £8.0m his ppm would be a record breaking 39.7!

    Conclusion: Defenders by far offer the best value, however we already knew that from previous seasons. Every Premium player with starting price of £10.0+ had a season value under 20ppm The mid-range bracket players were the big winners for FPL 19/20.

    1. jtreble
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 11 hours ago

      “.... Best value way to spend £100.0m ...”. Where did you get this team from?

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Henderson
      TAA, Doherty, Lundy
      Salah (C), KDB, Willian, Martial
      Vardy, Ings (VC), Jimmy
      (Pope, Evans, Manquillo, Traore)

      Apparently (according to Reddit) if you’d picked this team in GW1 you’d be OR #3 (three!) with 2554 points

      And that's without playing any chips, or making a single FT

      It wouldn’t even have cost 100.0 (99.5)

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • 5 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        VORP

      2. jtreble
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 3 hours ago

        FYI: the Reddit guy who posted this got his math wrong. Still interesting though.

    3. Studs Up
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Would've beaten that team by +1....scored 2411 lol

      1. Lindelol
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        wow I have exact same points 2411 😀

  2. Printing Mane
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 11 hours ago

    FPL Withdrawal symptom

  3. Miguel Sanchez
    • 4 Years
    13 days, 11 hours ago

    What is your average FPL rank over the last 5 years?

    1. Pap Le Cissier
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      117,391

      Much better if you exclude the first 3! 😀

      1. Miguel Sanchez
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Nice continuous improvement. Hope you can keep it up!

        1. Pap Le Cissier
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Thanks, conscious adjustments last season have helped a huge amount

          1. Miguel Sanchez
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            What adjustments did you make to your approach?

            1. Pap Le Cissier
              • 8 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              In no particular order

              - Cut our the noise on here, I was looking for advice to often or following the herd often to my own detriment

              - Looking at fixtures in bulks of 4-6 for transfers in and analysing their performance over that period

              - Not kneekerking in the flavour of the week

              - Growing the balls to remove popular players at the right time if I genuinely thought their output would or was dipping ie Jiminez, Salah, Mount, Grealish, Rashford

              - Getting a settled rotating trio in defence that bar injuries or a Lundy, could stay in place for 12+ weeks at least

              1. Miguel Sanchez
                • 4 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Thanks for this - really interesting. The one I really want to focus is on is getting defence settled as early as possible so that all transfers can go on chasing attacking changes and doubling up on City/Pool attacks during fixture runs.

                1. Pap Le Cissier
                  • 8 Years
                  13 days, 10 hours ago

                  I’d like to stress most of this (bar the staying away from the boards) was down to advice I got from Cheeseoid, Jarvish, Lateriser12 and a couple of others before the 18/19 preseason when I posted asking for tips, so have them to thank for the massive improvement

                2. Arn De Gothia
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 8 hours ago

                  Start with TAA, VVD and WB and problem solved

    2. Nimby
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      713,123. One top 1k finish over those years.

    3. Printing Mane
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Last 5 years 23,924
      Last 3 years 4,507

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        185K, but if I excluded last year's disaster, 48K

    4. Pulp Minion
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      ~92k

      If I removed 17/18 (350K) it drops to ~27k
      Only twice over 50k since 11/12 which isn't too bad.

    5. Arn De Gothia
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      No idea, but once at 113 was my by far best season

    6. King Kohli
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      54285

    7. Winston.
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Average 31k past 6 seasons...best season 3k

    8. Le Bluff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      24,247.

      Reasonably happy with that and a good target to aim for next year!

    9. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      13 days, 6 hours ago

      This is a really good personal target to set ourselves I think. More realistic. It highlights were we really are over five years, not the odd year.

      Mine's 26,315

      I'll aim for top 10K next year but realistically if I beat 26,315 that'll be a good personal target I reckon.

    10. shirtless
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 5 hours ago

      2015/16 2082 280187
      2016/17 2165 109699
      2017/18 2278 25240
      2018/19 2351 21569
      2019/20 2399 2620

      Av = 87863

      I genuinely don't know what happened in 2014/15 (171k), 2015/16, and 2016/17. All stinkers! My worst three in 14 seasons. I've had nine top 30k finishes, two now in the top 5k.

    11. MosF94
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      13 days, 4 hours ago

      17,718 over my five years of playing - but yet to crack the top 5k!

    12. Salarrivederci
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 4 hours ago

      14K
      But that u’s an average after my 3 years of playing 🙂

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 4 hours ago

        Is*

  4. Giggs Boson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 10 hours ago

    Premier League table since Jose Mourinho joined Tottenham:

    1. Liverpool – 65 points
    2. Man City – 56 points
    3. Man Utd – 50 points
    4. Tottenham – 45 points
    5. Southampton – 44 points
    6. Wolves – 43 points
    7. Chelsea – 40 points
    8. Arsenal – 39 points (GD +9)
    9. Burnley – 39 points (GD -6)
    10. Sheff Utd – 37 points
    11. Leicester – 36 points
    12. Everton – 35 points
    13. Newcastle – 29 points
    14. Crystal Palace – 28 points
    15. West Ham – 26 points (GD -7)
    16. Watford – 26 points (GD -13)
    17. Brighton – 26 points (GD -13)
    18. Aston Villa – 24 points
    19. Bournemouth – 18 points
    20. Norwich – 14 points

    1. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Spurs are going to be challenging United and Chelsea for top 4 next season I think...

      Agree with these ticker rankings?

      Tier 1: Title Challengers - Man City, Liverpool
      Tier 2: Top 4 Challengers - Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea
      Tier 3: Europa League Challengers - Wolves, Leicester, Sheffield, Arsenal, Burnley/Saints
      Tier 4: Bottom Half - Other 10 teams
      Tier 5: Whipping Boys - TBC...

      Torn between Burnley & Saints for that last tier 3 spot...

      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Leeds

        1. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          If they keep Bielsa and give him a ton of money to spend, I'm open to that idea.

          1. pingissimus
            • 1 Year
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Not sure he needs a tonne of money - just the right players to go with his system - chances are they won’t be that dear

      2. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Tier 3 Burnley and Saints
        I think Sheff U will fade a little bit to Tier 4
        Tier 5: WBA, play-off winner, Villa, maybe Palace

        1. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Yeah, Sheffield were hugely dependant on Henderson according to the stats. Should have conceded way more than they did.

          If he leaves I will definitely drop them down a tier...

      3. Zilla
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        If Chelsea actually sort out their defence they may be serious title challengers. Man Utd could be one too potentially with some depth signings and 2 more world class players.

        1. Berbs
          • 9 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Do you see a 95+ point season from Chelsea? That's the level to compete for the title, let alone win.

          Previous winners: 99, 98, 100. Liverpool got 97 and finished 2nd.

          I think Chelsea and United should comfortably finish in the top 4 but talk of title challenges is premature.

          - Klopp and Pep are the best in the world, Lampard and Ole nowhere near.
          - They're in the prime of the team's life cycle, Lampard and Ole in year 1.
          - Liverpool are elite defensively, City aren't so far behind given the fact they retain possession. Chelsea and United have average and above average defences respectively.

          I'd be excited as a Chelsea/United fan but throwing names in the mix for a title challenge seems premature to me, and will only lead to disappointment from unrealistic expectations.

          1. mynameisq
            • 6 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Both of them are still light years away from City and Liverpool, and as you mention it's not just the players/teams it's the managers too. They need to focus on closing the points gap which is doable, and keep making good signings to keep closing it

            1. Berbs
              • 9 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Absolutely. They should be ready to pounce once the cycle's come towards the end. I'd be amazed if City and Liverpool don't hit 95+ again - they've taken the PL to a different level with their winning oiled machines. Relentless.

              1. mynameisq
                • 6 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Can't see those cycles ending any time soon either with so many good players and young ones coming through too (Foden, Elliot etc, Pep and Klopp going nowhere and City will spend big as always. Chelsea and United should focus on cementing top 4 without letting a Spurs or Arsenal sneak back in, and focus on their own points totals getting closer to the City and Liverpool totals because I'm with you I fully expect 90+ from them both again. City have technically even had their "blip" this year and still finished well clear of them

                1. Berbs
                  • 9 Years
                  13 days, 9 hours ago

                  Pep is in his last year of his contract and should he not sign, that is a chance for United/Chelsea the season after to get closer.

          2. Zilla
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 5 hours ago

            Fair enough, I see your points. No I don't expect either United or Chelsea to reach 95+, it will be more dependant on Liverpool and City not reaching this level of crazy consistency next season.

            Do you think Liverpool will able to replicate this past 2 seasons again for the third time? I don't, City with insane depth that Liverpool don't have (and seems they aren't keen on having) failed to do so and collected 81 points after the 100 and 99.

            Chelsea defences is behind that's true and that's why I mentioned they could potentially challenge if they fix that mess at the back along Kepa. United though you say above average defence yet they conceded 3 and 1 more goals than Liverpool and City respectively (stats my be skewed since the restart).

            I agree that saying United and Chelsea winning the title next year may be a bit premature or wishful thinking but it won't be out of this world.

      4. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        I want to try see if going 3 LFC, 3 Spurs and 3 CHE from the start will be possible for next season.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Maybe if you have the likes of Jorginho, Kovavcic, Keita, Winks - but would you?

          I began last season with triple triples, but they were from Liverpool, Everton and Wolves.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Wait in anticipation for prices 🙂

            For one, the GK I want to go with is Lloris. I reckon Pope will be more expensive 😉

            1. ManUnitedComeBack
              • 3 Years
              13 days, 8 hours ago

              This. Might even do the Lloris + Aurier double-up. Mourinho second season is usually a defensive masterclass, especially if he manages to sign the CB of his choice.

              1. Flair
                13 days, 8 hours ago

                Lloris sounds great, Aurier less so as Tanganga will fill in at RB in tough matches like his debut against Liverpool.

            2. Flaming Flamingo
              • 4 Years
              13 days, 8 hours ago

              Lloris had the highest PPG and save percentage for all goalkeepers, I doubt he'll be cheaper.

      5. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        I'd put Sheffield United in tier 4 personally. They overperformed this season, and well done to them for doing so, but I think they'll find their second season much more difficult. Burnley too I'd put in the bottom half.

        1. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Do you Everton will pick up under Ancelotti?

          Bad end to the season, but looked promising when he took over. Depends on signings I guess...

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            I don't know about Everton - a bit of an enigma for me. Ancelotti will be completely wasted there if they don't back him up with transfers. I couldn't tell you in concrete terms which teams will finish above Sheffield United - just that my hunch is they'll suffer a bit from second-year blues.

        2. Sterling Malory
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          Only 1 of the 10 newly promoted teams to finish outside the bottom 8 last decade have failed to improve on either their points total or league position in the 2nd season.

          People have been underestimating Sheffield United for the past 4 seasons.

      6. wulfranian
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        I think that if CPalace don't get players they will fight to stay in the league.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          I tipped them to go down a year ago. I'm tipping them to finish 18th again!

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 9 hours ago

            I think they might be dead last if Zaha leaves and they don't sign any attackers of note.

        2. Nomar
          • 10 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          They’re after our Eze.

          1. wulfranian
            • 3 Years
            13 days, 5 hours ago

            That could be a good transfer.Excellent season.

            1. Nomar
              • 10 Years
              13 days, 5 hours ago

              He’s class.

              Selfishly, I want him to stay one more season. I think one more season in the Championship, where he’s now going to be the main man teams game plan for every week will make him better.

              I’m also hoping that if Brentford don’t beat Swansea in the play off semi that one of the Prem boys buy Benharama and leave Eze alone.

              Realistically, though, I can’t see us holding onto him this off season. He’ll be a joy to watch in the Prem next season. Glides past players for fun.

              Best player we’ve had since Taarabt.

              1. wulfranian
                • 3 Years
                13 days, 4 hours ago

                Good point on Benharama.Taarabt what a player and a good fpl pick.

    2. Pulp Minion
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      One thing with Wolves from last season.
      They only won 2 of their first 11 games, probably due to starting so early in the Europa league.

      If they aren't in Europe next season then they could be a serious shout for top 4

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        I'd agree with that. They lost Boly too.

      2. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Good shout. Strong underlying data.

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Nice! The table before & after Bruno is also suitably interesting:

      League table *Before* Bruno came in (all teams 24 games played):

      1. Liverpool 70
      2. Man City 51
      3. Leicester 48
      4. Chelsea 40
      5. Man Utd 34

      League table *After* Bruno came in (all teams 14 games played):

      1. Man Utd 32
      2. Man City 30
      3. Liverpool 29
      4. Arsenal 26
      5. Chelsea 26

      Goal difference, goals scored, and goals conceded are all even more interesting...

      If Man Utd make a good use of this transfer window, they could surprise a lot of folks next year

      See also - FPL points since Bruno joined (GW25 onwards)
      - Bruno 117
      - Salah 47 (in games where Mane started - or 84 in total - neither are good!)

      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        I usually put United down 1 tier to account for my own bias 😆

        I can't wait to see what transfers arrive for all teams. It will definitely affect the ticker rankings...

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 10 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          pleasesignagreatcentrebackole, pleasesignagreatcentrebackole, pleasesignagreatcentrebackole 🙂

          In all fairness, two big signings would surely help them consolidate as a guaranteed cert for Top 4 every season & even start closing gaps towards second/first

      2. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        CL next season may see Ole having to rotate. He played his strongest since the restart whereas LFC and City mixed it up.

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 10 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          I think they'll possibly have less games than this season with CL instead of Europa though?

          And no more of having to do the killer Thursday/Sunday axis...

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Yes, but would it be a fair generalisation to say that you play your second team in Europa and your strongest side in PL, but your strongest side in CL and have to compromise in PL?

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Exactly.

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                There are some horrendous outfits in the CL group stages too though for sure

                Plus the intensity of working around 6x CL group games on Tues/Wed's, versus 6 EL group stage games on Thursdays still shouldn't be a the same level as playing the 9 league games in 35 days they've just came through, or the 10 games in a month from Mid-Dec to Mid-Jan etc

          2. FOO FIGHTER
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            CL much more intensity and on a different level compared to Europa.

        2. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          He seemed to imply he will play his best team in both the Premier League and Champion's League: https://youtu.be/Sg2edmScI54?t=84

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            That's Ole for you! But I'd worry about Greenwood's PL performances if it were true.

            1. Giggs Boson
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Players can still come on after 60 minutes in games, and there's the cup competitions too. Plenty of opportunities to impress.

              Ole has said in the past that it's hard to bench a player that's scoring goals. So if Greenwood performs better than Martial/Rashford etc, he'll start over them. Ole is ruthless.

              1. Andy_Social
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Sure, he'll be brilliant playing twice a week up til Christmas, then burn out. To avoid that his minutes will need to be managed, to the detriment of a FPL owner, I reckon. Obv you sell him once he becomes jaded, but I'd rather get him with the intention of being a long-term keeper.

                1. Giggs Boson
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  13 days, 10 hours ago

                  Oh I see, I thought you were worried about him not getting any gametime, not getting too much!

                  In my head Sancho is already here 😀

          2. FOO FIGHTER
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Bruno will be getting himself a walking stick 😀

      3. pingissimus
        • 1 Year
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Points since Bruno joined

        TAA 70
        Doherty 90

        🙂 🙂

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          If this is for the purpose of influencing squads for next season, you've got to factor in the title-in-the-bag factor. I'd start with TAA and not be afraid to dump him if Liverpool hit the beach early again.

          1. pingissimus
            • 1 Year
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            Just slightly dubious about MBP’s 117:100 point or the weight he seems to be attaching to it.

            Extrapolating from an end of season run would have made Everton defence a slam dunk. And as you say the title in the bag skews all Liverpool data.

            Bruno is a great option to be sure but there again Vardy got 140 odd points in half a season. Waiting on fixtures and pricing before I make up my mind

            United have a fairly thin squad and we’re yet to see them put a season run in. CL will require full squads and not the fill in players used in Europa

            Actually quite like Doherty if fixtures fall kindly and pricing is correct

            1. Greek Freak
              • 4 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Pretty sure Doherty will be 6.5, can't see another realistic price point for him.

              1. Giggs Boson
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Seems right. With a good run of fixtures, he'd still be in my team at that price.

            2. FOO FIGHTER
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              UTD have also had purple patches under Ole. Play well, play really bad, play very well so next up comes....

            3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 10 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Everton is bit of a strange comparison as they lost one of the best holding mids in Europe to PSG so were always going to regress defensively 🙂

              Vardy also got hit with an act of God around about December in the shape of the baby, followed by injury - he picked right back up where he left off with 51 points from 8 GW's in GW29 - GW35... and remember he was also hit by the lack creativity with Maddison, Chilwell & Pereira missing...

              For a 12.5 asset to be so far behind Bruno on points is mental - it allows Bruno to regress by 20-25% & still match/slightly exceed Mo's score from this season (assuming Mo's output doesn't continue to decline, or doesn't massively improve) 🙂

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Ha ha, let's not go there lol.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 10 hours ago

                  That thread is still rumbling on! lol 🙂

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    13 days, 9 hours ago

                    Liverpool title defence. Salah going to sweep clean.

              2. Greek Freak
                • 4 Years
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Surely you'd expect the output of most of Liverpool's players (including Salah) to improve when not on the beach?

                If they play with the intensity of a team trying to win the title I don't know whether Bruno would have it all his own way in the comparison with Salah. (although tbh Mane is the one I'm most interested in)

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 10 hours ago

                  Logically yes for sure

                  But remember Klopp humoured Salah & did everything in his power to get him onto the pitch for 7 or 8 league games in about 3 weeks to try to get him to score

              3. pingissimus
                • 1 Year
                13 days, 10 hours ago

                Only dipped in and out of Mo so I essentially agree there.

                I’m not dissing Bruno in any way. It’s just I can envisage fixture and price combinations which mean I go without. Two premium at the back for instance and KdB Raz in midfield could mean no spot for him

                Waiting - that’s all

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 9 hours ago

                  Oh yeah absolutely, if they price him at 15.0, there aren't going to be too many takers for example, no arguments there 🙂

                  With him only havnig 14 games under his belt i think he's avoiding anything mental in the form of price rises though - 10.0 would be my guess, maybe 10.5 (maybe 9.5 who knows)

                  Regardless of his price though - his output (the 117) has been jaw dropping compared to Mo's (84) in the same time period - lots of potentially serious implications from gaps like that

                  Wen you throw in the Mane factor, Salah's 84 drops to 47 which is where a big red siren should be sounding saying "Houston, we have a problem"... 🙂

            4. Andy_Social
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              Yeah, Wolves' assets will be crucial if they missout on Europe.

            5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 10 Years
              13 days, 10 hours ago

              It's also not 117:100

              It's 117:84 (that's a big gap)

              or 117:47 (that's beyond a big gap) if you look at Mo's games when Mane started (i.e. all of them bar three)

              Mane's presence can be pretty poisonous to Mo's output generally!

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                13 days, 9 hours ago

                Mo missed GW30 and played less minutes than Bruno since the restart.

                Last day Mo came on for 26 minutes.

                Bruno another penalty.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 9 hours ago

                  Minutes in that time window:

                  Mo: 1,082
                  Bruno: 1,187

                  ....

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    13 days, 9 hours ago

                    Missed GW30 = a full match and only on for 26 minutes last match of the season.

                    Salah had no penalties to rely on 😉

                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                      • 10 Years
                      13 days, 7 hours ago

                      So one match explains a 33 point gap? Which would still leave a 12.5m asset only matching a much cheaper alternative?

                2. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 11 Years
                  13 days, 9 hours ago

                  Still a massive gap whichever way you want to look at it.
                  Bruno was thrashed and even suffered in performance.

              2. Greek Freak
                • 4 Years
                13 days, 9 hours ago

                I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit just because I don't think it's that clear-cut whether Bruno or Salah will be better next year.

                Last 10 games:

                Salah: 5.32 xG, 2.15 xA
                Bruno: 4.58 xG, 2.05 xA

                Salah underperformed his xG considerably with his poor finishing, and it's worth noting that this is an exception rather than the rule. In each of his previous 5 seasons, he had outperformed his xG, so it'll be interesting to see if this sample is an aberration or the new norm.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  13 days, 7 hours ago

                  Yep that's fair - he definitely under performed - I'd say the BUrnley game was a big contributor there as well

        2. FOO FIGHTER
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          That 24 point haul from TAA away to LEI.

          Guy is a points monster!

        3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 10 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          So you're saying Bruno outscored Salah, TAA *AND* Doherty 😉

      4. wulfranian
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Cheers.Interesting.

    4. The Strokes
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Table since Arteta joined:

      1. Liverpool – 47 points
      2. Man City – 43 points
      3. Man Utd – 41 points
      4. Chelsea – 34 points (GD +7)
      5. Southampton – 34 points (GD +7)
      6. Arsenal – 33 points (GD +11)
      7. Tottenham – 33 points (GD +8)
      8. Wolves – 32 points
      9. Burnley – 30 points (GD -1)
      10. Everton – 30 points (GD -3)
      11. Sheffield United – 26 points
      12. Leicester – 23 points

      1. The Strokes
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        So I wouldn't put spurs in tier 2.
        Spurs are like Arsenal in a tier 3 with wolves.
        Plus with their Financial difficulties I'm not sure Spurs will be able to strengthen that much.

        Leicester with Europe to play will end lower than Tier 3.
        Sheff, everton, Burnley can hope to be in the tier 3 but at season start are lower imo.
        It will depend of which team has a good season next year and can be added to Wolves-Spurs and Arsenal in that Tier 3

  5. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 10 hours ago

    Bournemouth considering a legal challenge to the Premier League over their relegation.

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Over the VAR that denied Sheff Utd a goal v Villa? GW30+ wasn't it, where Nyland's arm on the post blocked the goal-line lens/laser of whatever they use.

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      That going to be interesting.

      Final day to be replayed lol.

    3. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
      • 5 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      No chance

    4. LAMELA_AND_CONSUELA
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      And they should go for it. If memory serves me well Sheffield get some compensation from the PL for its relegation due to Tevez's ineligibility

    5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Someone needs to answer for that goal decision vs. Villa in fairness - that was absolutely ridiculous - terrifying to think that it's just been let go without any real post mortem or follow up? (Maybe there was & I missed it)

      In any other business if an error of that magnitude happened, multiple heads would roll, and deservedly so

    6. Berbs
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      One moment doesn't relegate you, 38 games does.

      Bournemouth can't blame anyone but themselves.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        I game finished 0-0 rather than 1-0 due to a technology error. That one point difference would have put Bournemouth above Villa. It relegated them.

        1. Berbs
          • 9 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          If you change one moment in the game, the rest of the game is different. It doesn't pan out the same. They had 38 chances to survive. Or 37, if you want.

  6. jtreble
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    13 days, 10 hours ago

    Where might Deulofeu end up next season? Curious.

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      Back at Everton?

    2. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 10 hours ago

      I wonder the same about Sarr - he was certainly a bright spot in that Watford team, even when he was blanking FPL-wise.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        LFC in for Sarr apparently.

      2. jtreble
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        There are Sarr > LIV rumours going round. I have heard a word about Deulofeu though.

      3. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 10 hours ago

        Yeah I did see those Liverpool rumours about Sarr. Mane already is a sort of mentor to him after all.

        1. Berbs
          • 9 Years
          13 days, 10 hours ago

          Liverpool are going to be screwed whenever AFCON happens if that's the case.

          Mane, Salah and Keita already will miss out. Matip could always come out of retirement too. Add Sarr to the mix and that's very problematic.

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            It was moved to 2022 so they won't have to worry about it this year at least. But for the season after they might have to look into signing some European players...

            1. Berbs
              • 9 Years
              13 days, 9 hours ago

              I wouldn't be surprised if one of Mane or Salah were moved on by then given age and resale value. Good job Mbappe won't be going to AFCON then.. (laughs in delusion)

          2. FOO FIGHTER
            13 days, 10 hours ago

            The 2021 Africa Cup of Nations (also referred to as AFCON 2021 or CAN 2021) is scheduled to be the 33rd edition of the Africa Cup of Nations, the biennial international men's football championship of Africa organized by the Confederation of African Football (CAF). The tournament is scheduled to be hosted by Cameroon. The tournament was originally scheduled to be played in June and July 2021, but the CAF announced on 15 January 2020 that due to unfavourable climatic conditions during this period, the tournament would take place between 9 January and 6 February 2021. On 30 June 2020, CAF moved the tournament for the third time to January 2022 following the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

  7. ElliotJHP
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 9 hours ago

    I really don't think they will put Rash/Greenwood let alone Auba into midfield.

    Just seen on twitter Auba and Mane have more or less identical heatmaps as is to be expected but it's an easier life to keep it as it is maybe.

    1. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      I think Mane, Salah et al should be forwards personally. It's kind of ridiculous that they get an extra point per goal and clean sheet points.

      But if FPL want to be consistent with their classification, they should make Auba a mid. I won't agree with that either, but I would at least applaud the consistency.

      1. ElliotJHP
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        I agree - but I still think they won't go through due to the hassle.

        Would you move all those that play in a front three - Pulisic, Son, Pepe etc - I think I would.

        The likes of Mcneil can stay due to Dycheys 4-4-2

        1. Greek Freak
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          Not sure about Son and Pepe. But Salah, Mane and Sterling are more forwards than wingers for example. They're not the type of player to hug the touchline and put crosses in, and occasionally pop up in the box.

      2. COK3Y5MURF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        They should change the title from "Forwards" to "Strikers" since they only put strikers on there anyway (well, except Firmino).

        1. Greek Freak
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          Yes, if they did that I'd stop complaining about Salah etc.

    2. COK3Y5MURF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      I think Rashford will be. Don't know about Greenwood since he spent most of the season on the bench.

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Looking at LW vs CF starts :Rashford 25/6, Auba 17/15 and Mane 31/1, Rashford is the only one who should change.

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Really? Hasn't Auba been to the left of Lacazette, Nketiah or Martinelli most of the season?

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 11 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          After GW18, he played CF once vs Liverpool.
          Before 19, he played 14 at CF. Really depends on if FPL want to use his whole season or just the 2nd half.

    4. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Martial will go into the forward category. I don't think the others will drop into midfield. I also expect Antionio to stay as a midfielder although there would be a case for converting him to FPL striker.

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        I could be wrong but I don't think Antonio played as a forward pre-lockdown at all.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 11 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          9 games as CF before lockdown.

      2. Goodbye Horses
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        If Antonio remains a kid I'd be interest to see how they see how they classify Matheus Pereira of West Brom this summer. Technically a rightwinger/attacking mid, with 8 goals and 20 assists over 42 games. If he's OOP he's straight in my starting 11.

        1. Goodbye Horses
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          *mid

        2. Would Ed Woodward
          • 1 Year
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          Pereira will be a mid, also in my thoughts, especially if they buy a half decent striker.

          1. Goodbye Horses
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 8 hours ago

            Fingers crossed. They started Diego Jota in midfield at about £6.5m I think. Which sounds about right for Pereira.

      3. Team Cruel
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Why the double standards? If the likes of Mane, Salah and Sterling are mids then in what world are Rashford and Greenwood forwards?

      4. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 11 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        He's 99% a forward next season if they change players like Jota and Zaha.

    5. redsallstars
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      yeah same with martial, sterling etc. cant see it happening though, not enough expensive midfield choice and too many expensive forwards. literally every team will have kdb if that were to happen

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        It would make for a lot more interesting choices in the forward line though. At the moment it's easy for a team to have Sterling, Martial and one of Salah or Mane. If they're forwards you'd actually have to choose between them.

        KDB and Bruno would be in most teams regardless so that wouldn't change anything.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 9 hours ago

          It would change from 'most' teams to 'all teams'! There's got to be sufficient competition of premium midfielders. Mind you, there was a lack of premium strikers this season so some tweaking would bring better balance. But whatever positions are changed are sure to provoke controversy.

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 9 hours ago

            That's what I mean - there's got be sufficient competition of premium forwards. At the moment the only choices are a left winger, a false 9 that's allergic to goals, two rotation threats, and a defensive midfielder! (see if you can work out who they are!)

    6. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Do think Martial and Rashford should switch positions.

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Martial and Rashford clearly will switch. It'll be funny if Ole plays Rashford up top and Martial on the left this season 😛

    7. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Any player whose primary job is to score goals (and is their team's primary goalscorer), and plays in a front two or three, should be a striker. Salah, Mane, Sterling, Martial at the very least.

      Putting Rashford as a midfielder would double down on the current problem. He is a striker through and through.

      UCL fantasy always gets this right as I recall.

      1. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        But if Salah Mane Sterling aren't classified as Forwards and Rashford Aubameyang are isn't that inconsistent and wrong?

        1. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          No. 10s should be forwards too if that logic is applied since they're involved with lots of goals and are usually in around the box

      2. Goodbye Horses
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Richarlison scored as many as DCL this year.

      3. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Players like Richarlison and Pulisic should be forwards too then no?

    8. Salarrivederci
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      It’s simple really.
      Just visit the 20 teams official website. If a player is lister as a forward, the FPL should copy it (does not matter where the manager plays him. Managers are replaced anyway)

  8. pingissimus
    • 1 Year
    13 days, 9 hours ago

    Curious. What is the view of United fans of AWB a year on?

    This time last year I thought both clubs did ok from the deal with Palace perhaps shading it. That take has perhaps hardened. He’s great in defence of course but his attacking limitations are now even more obvious and - still early days - I cant see him developing much that way at all.

    Looking around the top defences in the PL he feels like the full back least likely to. Amusingly to me in the Palace match CP were it seemed deliberately leaving him the free man in attack.

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Clyne mk2

      1. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        This is a good comparison. Look deceptively good defensively because of their tackles, and most of those tackles are made because they're constantly caught out of positions.

        I think AWB could be moulded into a decent CB, with correct coaching. But that's be a RCB in a 3.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          Yep

    2. The Senate
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Akin to Maguire - the price tag is ruined by (A) English player tax and (B) United tax.
      Both quality players, near but not quite at the top of their respective positions in the league, that we've overpaid by 15-20 million quid for.

      Wan-Bissaka is clearly hugely talented but with gaps in his game.
      7 league assists, while not in the territory of the LIV fullbacks, is hardly to be sniffed at.

      1. pingissimus
        • 1 Year
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Am I missing something? 4 assists no?

        1. The Senate
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          aha yes clearly I was in lifetime

          once per 11 appearances is meh but not nothing

    3. mynameisq
      • 6 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Great at defending, although even that started getting worse after the season restarted. Attacking wise he has the energy to keep bombing up, when he's up there and can cross he's good enough and can get assists. His key fault is on the ball passing moving and dribbling, I'm not sure if I can think of another fullback in the top half who is as bad on the ball, I can't see him improving too much on that front but maybe it's Ole's lack of tactics combined with the lack of an actual right winger

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        AWB is quick but that is about it.

        I see his situation ending up like Clyne. Did well at Palace and Soton but obviously Liverpool far to much of a step up.

        I am a Pool fan and do not know what exactly some LFC fans saw in him. They always raved about Clyne. He was really bad.

        The only reason why Brendan Rodgers kept on picking him was because of his pace. Klopp immediately saw the elephant in the room. Clyne was never good enough.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          Oh and the other reason why Brendan kept on picking Clyne is because there was no competition for his place.

          How things have changed for the better under Klopp.

          1. mynameisq
            • 6 Years
            13 days, 8 hours ago

            I'm with you, the only caveat to AWB is just how good he is at defending, and potentially could that free up a right ringer to maybe not track back as much but as it stands teams have figured out he's awful on the ball and consistently press him to make mistakes

    4. ManUnitedComeBack
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Very pleased. He's been the most solid defensively in that backline which was much needed. I don't really mind the lack of offensive output if a quality right winger is signed. The problem has been no good RW/RM and a defensive minded RB/RWB.

      Personally, I would also prefer if in the games that Ole plays 3-atb, he puts AWB as RCB and Shaw as LWB rather than Shaw as LCB and AWB as RWB. But I guess Brandon Williams played a role in that decision this season.

    5. Would Ed Woodward
      • 1 Year
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      He's improved our defence and is great in defensive 1v1s, nowhere near good enough going forward and neither is Shaw. Leaving AWB free and letting him have the ball uncontested was also Arteta's tactic when Arsenal beat us.

  9. FOO FIGHTER
    13 days, 9 hours ago

    Would you take Alli at 7 or 7.5?

    Two underwhelming seasons, one after the other. Can see his price dropping.

    1. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      I don't know - after having two seasons like that, I'd say it's his actual level instead of him being underwhelming 😛

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Ok, 5.0 and we call it a deal!

        😀

    2. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Will he be a sure starter? Could be heavily rotated with Lo Celso

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        Well if at 7.0 and he can be injury free, very good option IMO.

    3. The Senate
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      Depends on how many of the big-hitters are moved to Attackers. Not sure I'll have space for Spurs players that aren't Kane/Son...

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        If Kane enters in at the same price then he will be in lots of teams.

        1. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          Think Kane could drop to 10 or 10.5

    4. Goodbye Horses
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      I don't think I'll bother with Spurs again, tbh.

    5. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      He'd need to prove himself. If he gets off to a strong start he could be in my wildcard squad I suppose.

    6. Flaming Flamingo
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      If he's fit, yes. Contrary to popular belief, he was actually quite lively when he did play last season.

      1. Flaming Flamingo
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 9 hours ago

        I think he'll probably be 8m though, if I were to guess.

    7. mynameisq
      • 6 Years
      13 days, 9 hours ago

      I don't think he displaces Lo Celsio who has moved forward towards CAM

    8. Bobby Digital
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I'd still take Son over him.

    9. Brosstan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      No, he's shite

    10. Would Ed Woodward
      • 1 Year
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      No, thanks.

  10. Zim0
    • 2 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Will you have Chelsea assets from the beginning? With them buying so many attacking options is there a chance of heavy rotation like in Manchester City? Also the problem of how quickly players will adjust to the Premier League.

    1. Berbs
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Absolutely yes. Especially if as expected, City and United progress in Europe and thus miss the first few games.

      Pulisic will be popular.

    2. The Senate
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Defense, absolutely not. Attack, absolutely yes - Pulisic will be an option, as might Giroud or Ziyech.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        I'd be worried about the rotation. too many cooks....

        Think I'd wait a few weeks to see the first choice settle and come in on the wildcard.

        1. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          Yeah I'm thinking the same

        2. The Senate
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          I guess it'll be a bit like pep roulette but with only two thirds of the goals. Pulisic surely the main man though?

    3. FOO FIGHTER
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Want to see Werners price...

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Pulisic, mount ought to play. Werner - now what troubles me is Chelsea's propensity for bringing in foreign strikers with great reputations who flop. I'll need convincing this one's an exception because he ought to be nailed and provided with quality service.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          I think the plus side with Werner is from Bundesliga to EPL.

          If he was playing in the Serie A, I wouldn't touch him.

    4. Kannbury
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Bad memories of Morata a couple of seasons ago will put me off new Chelsea assets I'm sure!

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        La Liga and Serie A. Two Leagues which have the better of players physically when it comes to a move to the EPL.

        Morata doing ok again playing in La Liga.

    5. SweepaKeepa
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Tempted to break my ‘no newbie’ rule and get Werner.

    6. Would Ed Woodward
      • 1 Year
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I'm hoping that Havertz is cheaper than he should be, I think he'll be on pens too.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Havertz also Bundesliga to EPL which is great. Loads of top players in the German League and step up from Bundesliga to EPL not too much of a higher level.

        1. mynameisq
          • 6 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Didn't work out too well for Kagawa and Mkhitaryan so can go either way

          1. Nice to Finally Michu
            • 7 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            Werner and Havertz both younger and at a truly higher level than both Kagawa and Mkhi T when they made the switch

  11. HurriKane
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Who has been your underperformers and failed punts this season?

    For me its

    Auba- 3 goals 1 assist in 10
    DCL- 1 goal in 4
    Traore- 2 assists in 8
    Yarnolenko- 1 assist in 6
    Pulisic- 1 assist in 5
    CHO- 3 blanks in 3
    Firmino- 3 blanks in 3
    Tielemens- 3 blanks in 3

    Plenty of good players owned at the wrong times there

    Source (anewpla)

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      DCL, Tielemans, Ings, C Robinson, Ceballos

    2. ElliotJHP
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Calvert Lewin 1 goal and no assists in 6 is up there

      1. HurriKane
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        DCL trolled you as well. Cant believe he went on a run of 11 g+a in 14 and i didn't own him in that period.

        Was late to the party

    3. Kannbury
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Triple up on Everton for their 'easy run' at the start, then switching in Pukki long after the party had finished.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Yeh, I started with Pickford and 2 defenders - clean sheets GW1-2, bliss. Then crashed and burned 🙁

  12. Please Answer Me
    • 5 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Downgrade Salah to Sterling? Hes going up in price tonight

    1. Goodbye Horses
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Yeah, but your rank goes down.

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Do as many transfers as possible!

    3. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      No worries, I just found my Free Hit. Not too late, I trust?

  13. Zim0
    • 2 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Could Danny Ings improve on his goals tally next term? He's fitter and Southampton as a whole a more cohesive unit than first half of season. (I'm only going on results and Ings minutes. Never saw the Southampton matches) And what will Ings price likely be? I'm guessing 7.5-8.

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I'd worry his tendency to get injured will return. But he should be fine for a starting squad. One off Golden Boot - possibly 8.5m

      1. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        I could switch to Jimenez if he gets injured again. That is if they're priced similarly

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 8 hours ago

          I'm thinking a front 3 of Jimi, Greenwood and Ings if I can afford him.

          1. Zim0
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 8 hours ago

            Nice front 3. I'm thinking of Kane (if he's priced cheaper) Ings and Wood

    2. tm370
      • 6 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I doubt he will improve on it but if he gets close to it he will prove excellent value.

  14. Will J 256
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Hi guys. Hope you are all Ok. If you could guess what price do you think Doherty will be next year?

    1. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Probably 6.5

    2. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I'll punt at 6.5m

      1. Will J 256
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Fair enough thanks guys

    3. SweepaKeepa
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      6.5

  15. SweepaKeepa
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Comments are always much more enjoyable here when there’s no actual football on. Keep it coming...

  16. Azathoth
    • 5 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    European questions

    1) If Ars win the FA Cup,they play EL next season?
    2) If Wolves win the EL and Che win the FA Cup,both play CL next season,but who (except Lei and Spurs) play EL?
    3) If Wolves don't win EL and Che win the FA Cup,Wolves play EL?

    Thanx

    1. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      1 and 3 is yes. Not sure about 2

    2. Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I have a feeling no other team will be given a EL place in England for 2.

    3. tm370
      • 6 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Only 7 clubs can participate from one nation in European competitions. So if there are 5 in the UCL there will be only two in the Europa.

    4. The Senate
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Yes
      Yes - Only Leicester and Spurs, as Wolves' Europa League spot won't be passed on.
      Yes

  17. FOO FIGHTER
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Jimenez with no Europa duties and he will be locked in. Most nailed strker you can find...

    1. Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      But he could be playing CL. 😉

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Maybe, Wolves would want the next record transfer though 😀

    2. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Still don't know if they wònt be in europe or not

      1. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 8 hours ago

        Will*

    3. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Wolves will be in Europe if Chelsea win FA Cup, or if they win EL.

  18. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    been reading about next years player classifications ,ie salah ,mane ,auba,rashford etc ...

    like the nfl lets have offense and defence thats it

    defender 4points cleanie 6 points goal and you can include rice,kante,ndidi in this group

    attacker 4 points goal

    everybody 3 points assist

    goalies stay the same

    so squad make up
    2 goalies
    6 defenders
    7 attackers

    systems
    4-6
    5-5
    6-4

    job done...

    1. Zio
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Football is not the NFL

      1. Jordan.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        tell you what why put that?,unless you are a detective ,i was only thinking aloud ,there are plenty of players unusable in fpl nobody said its a perfect idea ,but it would get rid of the imbalance of salah to say kane ,what would be your plan then poirot?

    2. Salarrivederci
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      Don’t like it.
      Just copy the official website of each team.
      Bruno, Pogba and D. James are listed as midfielders.
      Rashford, Greenwood and Martial as forwards.
      Whether or not you find D. James as an interesting OOP player is up to you

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        I like this suggestion. Now, I wonder how Liverpool list Mane and Salah and City list Sterling...

        1. Salarrivederci
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Mane, Salah and Sterling are listed as forwards on official sites. While Mahrez, Bilva and such are midfielders

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            I'd take that. There will be problems with any classification but this seems to make more sense than the FPL's classification.

            1. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
              • 5 Years
              13 days, 7 hours ago

              If you Google a player's name followed by the word "position" it gives you their position, but no idea what their source is.

              1. Salarrivederci
                • 4 Years
                13 days, 6 hours ago

                Hence why you use the teams official sites 🙂

            2. Salarrivederci
              • 4 Years
              13 days, 6 hours ago

              It’s an objective way to classify the players. Which I would like.

    3. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
      • 5 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      No, Katie Price

    4. Kannbury
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Or split midfielders into defensive and offensive midfielders.
      Defensive midfielders (Kante/Rice etc) 2 points per clean sheet.
      Offensive midfielders (Sterling/Mane etc) 0 points per clean sheet.
      Pick any 5 across the 2 categories.

      1. Pasqualinho
        • 11 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        It seems like we have this discussion every year. I would be happy to classify defensive midfielders as defenders. At least then they may be of some value in FPL rather than everyone ignoring them - and thery don't need any change to the structure of the game.

        1. Salarrivederci
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          But if defensive midfielders were to become defenders, then they would top the BAPS every time a clean sheet is achieved, since they tackle and pass more balls

  19. Would Ed Woodward
    • 1 Year
    13 days, 8 hours ago

    Can't wait until I start next season with Bamford as a lone striker because the team I want ends up being too expensive.

    1. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 8 hours ago

      I'd take Mitrovic if Fulham come up. Not sure about any other promoted strikers.

      1. AuFeld
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Can't wait for Mitro's permanent residence next season on jonty's goals imminent list.

        1. Greek Freak
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          He didn't do badly at all last time round. Sure, many people would've liked him to do better but he did score 11 goals, and would've had more if he didn't have Kamara as a team-mate!

          1. AuFeld
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            I agree. Scoring double digit goals on a newly promoted team is arduous.

    2. Berbs
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Just the man I wanted

      I run a ML every year. No entry free, no prize. Just usually banter and bragging rights between the lads

      Would you like to join?

      1. Would Ed Woodward
        • 1 Year
        13 days, 2 hours ago

        Ohhh maybe mate, do you guys need a whipping boy or something? I just managed to come bottom of my 4 man casual cash ML, lol. Can I let you know? I tried to moderate how much time I spent obsessing this last season and not sure if that'll make it worse, appreciate the invite regardless.

  20. FOO FIGHTER
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    Some of my price predictions

    Pope 6
    TAA 7.5
    Robbo 7.5
    VVD 6.5
    Salah 12
    Mane 12
    Firmino 8
    Pulisic 8
    Havertz 7
    Werner 8
    Azpi 6
    Alonso 6.5
    Slabhead 6.5
    Martial 9
    Greenwood 6.5
    Bruno 10.5
    Rashford 9
    KDB 11.5
    Sterling 12.5
    Jesus 11
    Mahrez 9.5
    Son 9
    Kane 11
    Alli 7.5
    Auba 12
    Pepe 4.5 lol
    Saka 5.5
    Nketiah 6
    Jimenez 9 (if he stays at Wolves)
    Boly 5
    Docgerty 6.5
    Siass 5
    The Lord 6

    Could be a bit generous with Chelsea pricing but still think that is what they will be coming in at.

    1. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      I think you have KDB and Sterling backwards.

      Is Salah at 12 down from 12.5 last year because he's in decline? 😉

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        No, the will make Salah and Mane the same price so unless you think Mane at 12.5 then either or.

    2. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
      • 5 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Blimey, you're more bored than I am! 😀

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Working from home, server at work down 😀

    3. jtreble
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      I doubt Roberson and TAA will the same price.

      1. The Senate
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        If they are, surely anyone with double LIV def will go VVD-TAA

      2. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        They were both 7.0 this season.

        1. Sead’s Colossal Snatc…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Hoping I have the confidence to go three Liverpool at the back and get as many decent Man Utd/Man City/Chelsea options up top.

    4. The 12th Man
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Will be surprised if Pope is that much.

      5.0 or 5.5m
      TAA will be first in my team if he's 7.5m.
      Jesus at 10 m maybe.

      hard to argue with the other prices.

    5. Lindelol
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Pope will be 5 or max 5.5

    6. COK3Y5MURF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      FFS is more like Foo Fighter Scout now

    7. Zim0
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Chelsea a bit underpriced there no?

    8. Fudgy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      0% chance Werner is 8 million wtf lol. He will be 10 million ish

      1. Make Arrows Green Again
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        13 days, 6 hours ago

        Exactly the same as Morata surely - 10.5m?

        1. Fudgy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          Yeah about that. I agree.

          1. Make Arrows Green Again
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            13 days, 6 hours ago

            If that's what he was, I am 80% sure it was but I'm getting old 🙂

    9. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 6 hours ago

      I go along with 14 of those.

    10. Jordan.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 5 hours ago

      6.5 greenwood interests me ,he looks a jolly good player,could be top class...

      1. reubster
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 5 hours ago

        +1

        He's going to be fantastic.

    11. reubster
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      13 days, 5 hours ago

      Alonso's off elsewhere isn't he?

    12. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      13 days, 5 hours ago

      Why does Salah get a price cut??

      Is he in decline or something?!

    13. Flair
      13 days, 5 hours ago

      What has Maguire done to be worth the same as Van Dijk and Laporte at 6.5?
      Thoughts on Ziyech? I expect 8

    14. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 57 mins ago

      Disagree with 95% of those predictions

  21. Giggs Boson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    Chelsea had a higher xG than Liverpool last season.

    Imagine if they sign a better striker...

    1. The Senate
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      They have a world class one in Giroud but stuck with Abraham for far too long, mainly in order to play up to the 'we play youth now' media hype

    2. Godfrey
      • 1 Year
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Werner to score 20+ goals

      1. The 12th Man
        • 7 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        How many players bang first year they play in the premiership?

        Id be cautious with new arrivals from different leagues . That's not to say these ones wont do well of course.

        1. Lindelol
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          this!!

        2. FOO FIGHTER
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Werner from Bundesliga so will hopefully ease in well.

        3. reubster
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 5 hours ago

          Might be wrong... but new arrivals often do brilliantly in September and then fade fast when everyone gets full match fitness.

          But yeah.

    3. Rotation's Alter Ego
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Werner (24) - 45 apps / 34 Goals / 13 Assists
      Ziyech (27) - 35 apps / 8 Goals / 21 Assists

      Could be joined by

      Havertz (21) - 43 apps / 17 Goals / 9 Assists

      And will have Pulisic operating as well. Very tasty.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        I may triple up on CHE from the start...

        1. Rotation's Alter Ego
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 9 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Interesting to see what price they come in at, preseason hype could play a major role.

          Weak defence and Cabellero in goal the factors limiting a title push obviously, but would be good if we can make use of all the possession we get in games now with some proper attacking threats.

        2. The 12th Man
          • 7 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          Depends on their fixtures.
          I may have one.

      2. Lindelol
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        It certainly looks great. Still they will take time i guess and personally I may not go for any of them at the start.

        1. Rotation's Alter Ego
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 9 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          My biggest FPL flaw is I jump on Chelsea new signings too early and immediately break them - Pizarro being the one that comes to mind straight away

          That being said.... Werner and Havertz play in the Bundesliga (ok so did Pizarro but ignore that) and Ziyech has shown how good he is during the UCL so the step up shouldn't come as a massive shock to them. Sure we've seen some new players take a year or two to settle in, but there are examples of players starting quickly and not slowing as well (Auba for example).

          1. Lindelol
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            agreed

          2. Zim0
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            Salah and Bruno probably the biggest examples of adapting quickly

            1. Make Arrows Green Again
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              13 days, 6 hours ago

              Salah - not at Chelsea though!

      3. reubster
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        13 days, 5 hours ago

        as a Spurs fan... I feel a bit sick. Gosh. I'd take all of those in a heartbeat.

  22. Lindelol
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    I took 6 hit in this season (twice in one week) is it normal or above normal?

    1. The 12th Man
      • 7 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      I'd say that's pretty good.
      Don't ask how many I took? lol

      1. Lindelol
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Ok thanks. Most of these hits were after the restart. Before corona i had only one hit.

  23. Lindelol
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    Don't you guys think that Captain points shouldn't be doubled instead should be X*1.5?

    1. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Absolutely. I've always said that FPL are missing a trick by not having half points in the game...

      1. Lindelol
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Yes to make it less about luck it captain points shouldn't be doubled.

    2. Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      There again, the skill is to have 10 other good players, any of whom could offset a poor Captain performance.

      1. Lindelol
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        But most of the times captain covers the stupid transfers and poorly assembled team.

        1. Wolves Ay We
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          So the skill is limiting stupid transfers and poor line-ups so a captain fail doesn't cause to much damage.

          1. Lindelol
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            To make it simple for you 1 decision(captaincy) having much more impact than all of your other decisions(transfers, benching etc) isn't fair at all. I hope I am clear about my point this time.

            1. Wolves Ay We
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              13 days, 6 hours ago

              I have already got your point, the captain chip is part of the game so everyone is in the same boat. Yes, it can make a big difference to your total points compared to rivals, all I'm saying is the best players find a way around the problem. I agree there's nothing worse than a casual rival having a rubbish team compared to you and then beating you because your captain gets 2 points and their captain gets 26.

    3. otbcwill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      I'm not a fan of the captain chip, it bears to much influence on a 'hail mary'.

      Onto basis that you an spread your views across players though, I'd be happier if they kept captain at x2 and maybe VC at x1.5 - make that vice chip count for something.

      If your captain doesn't play, then the vice stays vice. A player comes off the bench for your captain, but the double points are lost, just the 1.5 for your vice

  24. Wolves Ay We
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    Any website that calculates how well your hits performed throughout the season?

  25. Brosstan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    13 days, 7 hours ago

    Lol, going through the FPL season review and comparing myself (projected rank 15k actual rank 175k) to various ML winners... Imagine thinking this game is about skill at all. Probably 99% luck, every ML winner I check has had 98% or higher luck factor..

    https://fplreview.com/season-review/

    For instance, Magnus Carlsen had a projected rank of 4-5k and a luck factor of 99.3%... I had luck factor 40%...

    1. Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      I had -22%, my rival had 43% and won by one point.

      1. Wolves Ay We
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Rather he had 63% luck.

    2. wulfranian
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      Mark finished 177k and his xg rank is 22k.Lateriser also finished 31 and his xg rank is 2749.

      1. Brosstan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        Lateriser luck factor 99.8%

        1. La Roja
          • 8 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          That’s nonsense

          He has a proven track record

          1. Brosstan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            13 days, 7 hours ago

            Feel free to come up with a constructive criticism against their models.

            Their luck factor is extrapolated from 3 separate models; xG stats, bookies odds and their own 'Massive Data' model which workings isn't disclosed but that they claim is more accurate than bookie odds. It's not like the number is pulled from the air...

            1. Lindelol
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              13 days, 6 hours ago

              Thats exactly why eye test is so important.

              1. Goonsquad245
                • 4 Years
                13 days, 6 hours ago

                That’s not a constructive criticism.

                If ‘eye test’ was more important than stats, the bookies would have to close their football markets

                1. Brosstan
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 5 Years
                  13 days, 6 hours ago

                  Yes.. there are people beating the bookies at various sports too (like horse racing) but they don't do so because of the eye test but because of heavily stats based approaches. Basically 'outstatting' the bookies

                  1. Goonsquad245
                    • 4 Years
                    13 days, 6 hours ago

                    Yep - if it was eye test and hunch everyone would be smashing it.

                2. Pépé sur le P…
                  • 4 Years
                  13 days, 6 hours ago

                  No they wouldn't

                  1. Brosstan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 5 Years
                    13 days, 6 hours ago

                    If some rando using the eye test was enough to beat their odds they would

                    1. Goonsquad245
                      • 4 Years
                      13 days, 6 hours ago

                      ‘Martial looked good last game, reckon he’ll score a hat trick this week’

                    2. Pépé sur le P…
                      • 4 Years
                      13 days, 5 hours ago

                      Bookmakers can still make calculated risks (or investments). The odds will just be shorter. Gambling isn't a recent phenomenon that relies on detailed stats.

                      1. reubster
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 8 Years
                        13 days, 5 hours ago

                        Don't you find that most prediction engines don't adequately account for the most recent form. And neither could they I guess. Like, RMT always seems overly biased toward long term trends to me. If a team has changed shape and kept 2 clean sheets... or got a key player back from injury... their season trend can be obliterated pretty quickly.

              2. Lindelol
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                13 days, 6 hours ago

                I mean Stats and eye tests both contribute.

    3. Lindelol
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      what do they mean by luck%?

      1. Brosstan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        13 days, 7 hours ago

        They mean how much less or more points you actually got compared to their data projections for your players for each game week. Of course those projections could be flawed but it's a massive indication of how much luck influences the game when you look at the scores for pretty much every high ranked manager.

        1. Lindelol
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          13 days, 7 hours ago

          got it - thanks

    4. Make Arrows Green Again
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 7 hours ago

      XG: 5,092
      Odds: 21,595
      Massive: 26,111

      ...

      Actual OR:107,792 🙁
      Luck 36.7%

      Says it all!

    5. Make Arrows Green Again
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      13 days, 6 hours ago

      To be honest the term 'luck' is loaded and emotive. As La Roja has pointed out, someone with Lateriser's track record is not consistently lucky over the course of one season let alone several.

      What this value really does is undermine the dataset - it's how much a skilled player can leverage the underlying odds to obtain the right outcome. It's kind of the opposite of luck, it should really be called something like 'manager value-add'. But that's not as catchy!

      1. Brosstan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        13 days, 6 hours ago

        I was starting to write a long post about variance and comparing it to games like poker where it's pretty much statistically proven through Monte Carlo simulations that you could be a theoretically winning player skill wise and within reasonable probability still lose over very large samples (hundreds of thousands of tournaments depending on your actual skill edge over your opponents). FPL is very likely the same, and I very much doubt that a 10 season sample is enough to determine that Laterisers track record statistically separates him from someone with say, 50 or 100k average rank over the same 10 seasons.

        Humans tend to overestimate skill and underestimate the effects of random variance, especially when assessing people who are doing well and seem to be beating the system.

        1. Brosstan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          Just using LateRiser as an example here btw.. nothing against him, he's undoubtedly a good manager but likely riding his luck quite a bit too

        2. Brosstan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          Hundreds OR thousands of tournaments not hundreds of thousands....

        3. Goonsquad245
          • 4 Years
          13 days, 6 hours ago

          It’s so similar to poker it’s unbelievable. I do think a 38 game season represents an OK sample of MTTs for example (certainly more than 38), but it’s def possible to experience a massive heater or downswing over 10 seasons.

          1. Brosstan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            13 days, 6 hours ago

            Yes it's very likely that the 'Legendary' managers are just the outliers who have been favored the most by variance, considering the amount of people playing and the relatively small sample of seasons we have..

            Jay eggdonk's horror season last year is a great example.